Example: How the refs help the cheaters win

[Bookie Man]

"There is no intentional grounding. Number 34 was in the area.. (cough) code  (cough)."   

[Hapless Bills Fan]

3 hours ago, peterpan said:

I'm not saying this caused them to win, just using this as an example.

 

The cheaters drive where they kicked a FG......

 

On one of their early plays, Jerry hughes is BLATENTLY held AND the OL has his hands to Hughes face.  This was out in the open and near Brady, and should have been easy to spot.   So instead of a panalty and 1st and 20, it's instead 2nd and 2.  

 

The very next play, Bills generate pressure, Brady panics and throws it away.  AN OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING  call is not made.  The ref says a RB was in the area but, he was 15+ yards away from where the ball landed.  That's a penalty, cut and dry.  So now it's 3rd and 2, when it should have been 2nd and about 28.  

 

Pats easily convert 3rd and 2.  

 

A few series later t about the 35 yard line, it's 3rd and a long 2.  Bills stop their run after a 1/2 yard gain.  Refs give them a full yard.  Next play, Bills again stop them after a 1/2 yard, refs give them a full yard AND a first down!!! WHAT?!? HE WAS CLEARLY SHORT ON 4TH DOWN!!!! AND THE SPOT ON 3RD WAS CRAP!!!!

 

Ten yards later the Pats kick a FG.  

 

The refs essentially have the cheaters a pass and helped them down the field FOR AN ENTIRE DRIVE.  This happens to them ALL THE TIME.  

 

WTF!!!!!!!!

 

It's like 'Zo Alexander said on the "Lo Down" this week, "expect that stuff and don't get mentally hijacked by it"

 

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Would have loved an additional 15 yards on that last drive for the face mask 

 

That was brutal.  Allen must have a damn neck like a bull moose

3 hours ago, Xwnyer said:

I was amazed they called two Offense PI s on them

 

Indeed, I thought actually this game was overall more fairly called than some have been

I'm not saying it was fair overall, mind

[ticketssince61]

Refs totally blew the intentional grounding, nowhere near anybody and the facemask on JA

 

but we did get those two OPI penalties

 

Not the reason we lost 

[iccrewman112]

4 hours ago, UConn James said:

At this point, I’m pretty much in favor of losing Hughes because the refs just absolutely hate him. They flag him easier than anyone in the league for personal fouls and call nothing when he’s mauled. And, as a second point, his run D is terrible.

AgreeD. Since the time he tried to confront the ref in tunnel, he has gotten ZERO calls. 

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, Kiva said:

There is no doubt this league is rigged. We must grease the right pockets to be relevant. The obvious cheating just proves the Patriots pay the most and it is effective. 
 

It sucks when your lifelong passion is nothing more than a made up script with a determined outcome. I chose the blue pill. 

So very true. Brady became relevant after the butchered "tuck" play. From then on the corruption train took off. Nearly 20 years of biased calls Steering Patriot games in the Kraft direction. Someday the true level of Patriot favoritism will come to light. 

[peterpan]

8 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

Refs totally blew the intentional grounding, nowhere near anybody and the facemask on JA

 

but we did get those two OPI penalties

 

Not the reason we lost 

We didn't "get" anything.  Edleman straight up speared our defender, and their tightend ranndown field and started pass blocking Edmands 7 yards down field.  

 

Edleman should have gotten an unsportsmanlike for spearing

[Doc]

Tainted franchise. In multiple ways. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

12 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

Did you post or interact on here last week before the game leading up to it? 

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

Missed facemask on Josh's 4th down conversion too.  Don't know WTF they are looking at...payoff from Kraft most likely.

 

Players need to start using zebras for picks and treating them as if they are members of opposition.

 

I was in Buffalo Wild Wings and every person watching game was talking about how much they favor New England except one - the one New England fan and I think I was only Bills fan there for a saw a lot of other teams gear.

[Teddy KGB]

Balls on the 5 if they call the obvious facemask 

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Yet they still were in it till the last drive that could have been different if the face mask was called. So stop the I’m a better educated fan snobbery, it has an effect, it gave them points, it made a difference...

 

Some "fans" will always give New England excuses despite what colors they wear.  There is color blind and there must be another type of blindness to not be able to see logo on items they are wearing.

[Hampton Josh fan]

Hey anyone who thinks the road team will get calls against Brady and Belli  at Gillet has not been watching games for the last 2 decades. 

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

AgreeD. Since the time he tried to confront the ref in tunnel, he has gotten ZERO calls. 

Anyone have a website that might show stats like this.  There’s definitely a chance they have called on holding call on his opponent since.  I see him being held every game.  Never a call.  If I work for the Bills, I’d put together a compilation of non calls vs Jerry and present it “the committee”.....so they can laugh behind our backs.  Seems intentional to me

10 hours ago, ticketssince61 said:

Refs totally blew the intentional grounding, nowhere near anybody and the facemask on JA

 

but we did get those two OPI penalties

 

Not the reason we lost 

It’s never “THE reason we lost”.  It’s one of a few reasons we lost.  Take one reason away and we could’ve won

[Plano]

the amount of times I called that ref "hair-lip" throughout the night has to be over 100

[4merper4mer]

13 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

His going there what?

[billsfan_34]

13 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

Can’t blame him. Not just because it happened to us but it happens to many teams that face the Pats. Couple that with all their cheating scandals and it just is not good for the league. Their offense knew everything our defense was doing yesterday and vise versa. 

1 hour ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Hey anyone who thinks the road team will get calls against Brady and Belli  at Gillet has not been watching games for the last 2 decades. 

Can we agree that it shouldn’t be the case? It is wrong on so many levels.

[All_Pro_Bills]

Are the Ref's biased toward NE when they play the Bills (and almost everyone else)?  It sure looks that way much of the time.

 

My beef is they are just so inconsistent from crew to crew, week to week, and game to game.  Early on they called defensive PI on Tre and I thought there was contact but nothing too blatant.  And I said okay, if that's the standard definition of defensive PI in this game then they better be consistent and call it both ways.  They did not.  Several times Bills receivers were held up, tugged, or contacted while the ball was in the air that was far more contact then the earlier call but nothing was called. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by All_Pro_Bills

[nucci]

they also called 2 big OPI against them calling back big plays....but their O-Line held all game

[dave mcbride]

14 hours ago, peterpan said:

I'm not saying this caused them to win, just using this as an example.

 

The cheaters drive where they kicked a FG......

 

On one of their early plays, Jerry hughes is BLATENTLY held AND the OL has his hands to Hughes face.  This was out in the open and near Brady, and should have been easy to spot.   So instead of a panalty and 1st and 20, it's instead 2nd and 2.  

 

The very next play, Bills generate pressure, Brady panics and throws it away.  AN OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING  call is not made.  The ref says a RB was in the area but, he was 15+ yards away from where the ball landed.  That's a penalty, cut and dry.  So now it's 3rd and 2, when it should have been 2nd and about 28.  

 

Pats easily convert 3rd and 2.  

 

A few series later t about the 35 yard line, it's 3rd and a long 2.  Bills stop their run after a 1/2 yard gain.  Refs give them a full yard.  Next play, Bills again stop them after a 1/2 yard, refs give them a full yard AND a first down!!! WHAT?!? HE WAS CLEARLY SHORT ON 4TH DOWN!!!! AND THE SPOT ON 3RD WAS CRAP!!!!

 

Ten yards later the Pats kick a FG.  

 

The refs essentially have the cheaters a pass and helped them down the field FOR AN ENTIRE DRIVE.  This happens to them ALL THE TIME.  

 

WTF!!!!!!!!

That sequence arguably cost the Bills the game. If the refs had done the right thing and spotted the ball properly, resulting in the Bills taking it over, then everything else being equal, the Pats would have gone for one on their final TD to go up by 3, 20-17. The Bills could have then tied the game on their final possession. Incidentally, on the first play of that possession — from the half yard line — Michel only got to the one yard line and they spotted it at the 2 yard line.

4 minutes ago, nucci said:

they also called 2 big OPI against them calling back big plays....but their O-Line held all game

Those OPI calls were obvious ones to call and were correct.

[nucci]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

 

Those OPI calls were obvious ones to call and were correct.

Yes they were but obvious calls don't always get flagged

[dave mcbride]

Just now, nucci said:

Yes they were but obvious calls don't always get flagged

My favorite part of that was Edelman *clearly* faking an injury and then immediately popping up (as if nothing happened) when the flag was thrown in his face. His faking of being knocked out is what got him sent to the tent, I believe. 

 

[dwight in philly]

14 hours ago, peterpan said:

I'm not saying this caused them to win, just using this as an example.

 

The cheaters drive where they kicked a FG......

 

On one of their early plays, Jerry hughes is BLATENTLY held AND the OL has his hands to Hughes face.  This was out in the open and near Brady, and should have been easy to spot.   So instead of a panalty and 1st and 20, it's instead 2nd and 2.  

 

The very next play, Bills generate pressure, Brady panics and throws it away.  AN OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING  call is not made.  The ref says a RB was in the area but, he was 15+ yards away from where the ball landed.  That's a penalty, cut and dry.  So now it's 3rd and 2, when it should have been 2nd and about 28.  

 

Pats easily convert 3rd and 2.  

 

A few series later t about the 35 yard line, it's 3rd and a long 2.  Bills stop their run after a 1/2 yard gain.  Refs give them a full yard.  Next play, Bills again stop them after a 1/2 yard, refs give them a full yard AND a first down!!! WHAT?!? HE WAS CLEARLY SHORT ON 4TH DOWN!!!! AND THE SPOT ON 3RD WAS CRAP!!!!

 

Ten yards later the Pats kick a FG.  

 

The refs essentially have the cheaters a pass and helped them down the field FOR AN ENTIRE DRIVE.  This happens to them ALL THE TIME.  

 

WTF!!!!!!!!

Totally agree.. really ruins it

[MattM]

12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

My favorite part of that was Edelman *clearly* faking an injury and then immediately popping up (as if nothing happened) when the flag was thrown in his face. His faking of being knocked out is what got him sent to the tent, I believe. 

 

Yes, he admitted that after the game- he was faking the injury to try to get out of the penalty.

[NewEra]

22 minutes ago, nucci said:

they also called 2 big OPI against them calling back big plays....but their O-Line held all game

2 big OPIs that we’re so so so blatant a Bib Kraft would’ve thrown the flag.  Edelmans led to a would be Td.  No chance they ignore that. The other one “84” ran right to Edmunds and blocked him.  Again, just SO obvious.  

18 minutes ago, nucci said:

Yes they were but obvious calls don't always get flagged

Ie: the QB on a QB sneak gets his face mask ripped and no one sees it.  How is that even possible

[RaoulDuke79]

18 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

My favorite part of that was Edelman *clearly* faking an injury and then immediately popping up (as if nothing happened) when the flag was thrown in his face. His faking of being knocked out is what got him sent to the tent, I believe. 

 

Hopefully next time he doesn't get up. 

[ToGoGo]

It's the stain of the NFL that's been going on since the beginning. I'm glad fans are beginning to wake up, but this stuff gets worse the more important the games become. 

 

I agree that this game wasn't 100% decided by refs, but just like Vegas, if you give the house the advantage, they're going to win most games. Magnus Carlson isn't the best chess player in the world because he checkmates everyone in 10 moves, it's because he constantly gains small advantages over the course of the game. A few timely penalties is all that is needed to give a solid team like the Pats an advantage, along with whatever other shady stuff they do. Some obvious (Edelman's pick), some not (spying on play calls, messing with the road team's headsets or tablets, showing the field goal posts on the Jumbotron during a field goal, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) 

 

It's not just rigged, but it's rigged smart. Plausible deniability. That's your concept of the day folks. Google it. 

[Wayne Cubed]

44 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Incidentally, on the first play of that possession — from the half yard line — Michel only got to the one yard line and they spotted it at the 2 yard line.

Yea I saw that, the spotting of the ball was awful all game long. 

[nedboy7]

https://www.12up.com/posts/three-blown-calls-that-helped-patriots-beat-bills-week-16-01dwng4290xf

 

 

10 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

It's the stain of the NFL that's been going on since the beginning. I'm glad fans are beginning to wake up, but this stuff gets worse the more important the games become. 

 

I agree that this game wasn't 100% decided by refs, but just like Vegas, if you give the house the advantage, they're going to win most games. Magnus Carlson isn't the best chess player in the world because he checkmates everyone in 10 moves, it's because he constantly gains small advantages over the course of the game. A few timely penalties is all that is needed to give a solid team like the Pats an advantage, along with whatever other shady stuff they do. Some obvious (Edelman's pick), some not (spying on play calls, messing with the road team's headsets or tablets, showing the field goal posts on the Jumbotron during a field goal, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) 

 

It's not just rigged, but it's rigged smart. Plausible deniability. That's your concept of the day folks. Google it. 

 

exactly right.  watch some european soccer to understand the art of effecting games.  it's not done in obvious situations.  it's very tactical.  unless you are the saints in the nfc championship game. 

Edited December 22, 2019 by nedboy7

[CircleTheWagons99]

One more example is how NEs Oline is never called for holding. 

[nucci]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

2 big OPIs that we’re so so so blatant a Bib Kraft would’ve thrown the flag.  Edelmans led to a would be Td.  No chance they ignore that. The other one “84” ran right to Edmunds and blocked him.  Again, just SO obvious.  

Ie: the QB on a QB sneak gets his face mask ripped and no one sees it.  How is that even possible

just incredible how they miss that....he was the ball carrier...always eyes on him

[Meatloaf63]

17 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

Why don’t you go hang out on the pats board where you can all have a big circle jerk. Easy to come here and comment when you have been getting this treatment for 15 years, the refs helping you is almost an every game experience for you. Again, what are you doing here? You obviously live a pathetic existence filled with low self esteem, you come here trying to feel Better about yourself, such a sad life.....

2 hours ago, Wayne Cubed said:

Yea I saw that, the spotting of the ball was awful all game long. 

Same thing on the next play he stepped out but they gave him a few more yards till he got pushed out. Total garbage...

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Refs called a fair game. They missed a few calls. Really don't know how they missed FM but it was fourth and 1 and they could have been fixated on the ball and if it crossed the line. But come on they called the Pats for two offensive PI calls. Hyde practically tackled Edelman on the 2 pt conversion and they let it go. Metcalf spot was very favorable for the Bills. The spot where the Pats RB knee was down was not but no one could see the ball. 

Anyone watching that game other than a Bills fan sees no bias. 

Throw a catchable ball to Knox and Bills likely win. Simple as that.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 hours ago, peterpan said:

I'm not saying this caused them to win, just using this as an example.

 

The cheaters drive where they kicked a FG......

 

On one of their early plays, Jerry hughes is BLATENTLY held AND the OL has his hands to Hughes face.  This was out in the open and near Brady, and should have been easy to spot.   So instead of a panalty and 1st and 20, it's instead 2nd and 2.  

 

The very next play, Bills generate pressure, Brady panics and throws it away.  AN OBVIOUS INTENTIONAL GROUNDING  call is not made.  The ref says a RB was in the area but, he was 15+ yards away from where the ball landed.  That's a penalty, cut and dry.  So now it's 3rd and 2, when it should have been 2nd and about 28.  

 

Pats easily convert 3rd and 2.  

 

A few series later t about the 35 yard line, it's 3rd and a long 2.  Bills stop their run after a 1/2 yard gain.  Refs give them a full yard.  Next play, Bills again stop them after a 1/2 yard, refs give them a full yard AND a first down!!! WHAT?!? HE WAS CLEARLY SHORT ON 4TH DOWN!!!! AND THE SPOT ON 3RD WAS CRAP!!!!

 

Ten yards later the Pats kick a FG.  

 

The refs essentially have the cheaters a pass and helped them down the field FOR AN ENTIRE DRIVE.  This happens to them ALL THE TIME.  

 

WTF!!!!!!!!

 

...WTF this butter cup....11 consecutive AFCE titles.....17 consecutive 10 win seasons....SIX SB rings.......yup ...ALL Cheatergate.....Fisher Price Wi-Fi strikes again.....no 'effin way they could be good......ignorance is bliss for some...SMH......

 

 

 

"The Patriots own an overall record of 102-20 (.836) at home in regular season games and a 118-23 (.837) record including playoffs. The Patriots are an NFL-best 162-47 at home since 1994 when Robert Kraft purchased the team.....".....

[BuffaloBill963]

17 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Really! Your going there. 

How hard is it to understand the original post? It’s a very fair and clear description of how things occurred. It’s not biased this is how they are helped to win.

5 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said:

Hey anyone who thinks the road team will get calls against Brady and Belli  at Gillet has not been watching games for the last 2 decades. 

That’s not at all the point and isn’t really relevant. 

[BuffaloBill963]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...WTF this butter cup....11 consecutive AFCE titles.....17 consecutive 10 win seasons....SIX SB rings.......yup ...ALL Cheatergate.....Fisher Price Wi-Fi strikes again.....no 'effin way they could be good......ignorance is bliss for some...SMH......

 

 

 

"The Patriots own an overall record of 102-20 (.836) at home in regular season games and a 118-23 (.837) record including playoffs. The Patriots are an NFL-best 162-47 at home since 1994 when Robert Kraft purchased the team.....".....

Yes bc you’re definitely ignorant. Is it bliss for you?

25 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Refs called a fair game. They missed a few calls. Really don't know how they missed FM but it was fourth and 1 and they could have been fixated on the ball and if it crossed the line. But come on they called the Pats for two offensive PI calls. Hyde practically tackled Edelman on the 2 pt conversion and they let it go. Metcalf spot was very favorable for the Bills. The spot where the Pats RB knee was down was not but no one could see the ball. 

Anyone watching that game other than a Bills fan sees no bias. 

Throw a catchable ball to Knox and Bills likely win. Simple as that.

Jeez it must be nice to be able to rationalize anything and everything. A fair game? Haha wow ok

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBill963 said:

Yes bc you’re definitely ignorant. Is it bliss for you?

Jeez it must be nice to be able to rationalize anything and everything. A fair game? Haha wow ok

...run along Junior and do your homework...Mom is watching.....PG-13 strikes again...SMH..............

[The Red King]

You know, it is possible to say the refs were quite biased *and* say the Bills could have done more to win.  They're not mutually exclusive. ?

[Real McClappy]

[NFLBighits]

Ya definitely not the reason we loss but New England has went way out of there way to ensure advantage's over there opponents and that includes illegal filming, paying officials off and making sure there footballs have been modified to help there offense with less fumbles, easier to throw and catch...I will give them credit with two Super bowls not a hater but just stating facts that have been attached to them and swept under the rug.

[Solomon Grundy]

Personally, I'm sick of all the intentional grounding they let Brady get away with