Gambit Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 49 minutes ago, the skycap said: So is Ceedee Lamb!! Sadly he will be long gone. Has a shot to be the top WR off the board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseman3 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I have convinced myself that we need to get Tee Higgins at all costs (Ok not all costs, but I REALLY want him.) Elite hands. He's a gamechanger! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, wiseman3 said: I have convinced myself that we need to get Tee Higgins at all costs (Ok not all costs, but I REALLY want him.) Elite hands. He's a gamechanger! After Jeudy, Tee is the top receiver in the draft. Beane would have to, I expect, get into the low teens to get him and 32 to 13 or 14 is a 2021 1st and a 2020 3rd along with the 2020 1st. Is the difference between him and a guy likeLamb enough to sacrifice that capital? BB would undoubtedly decline. Tee is a beautiful pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 hours ago, whorlnut said: With the way Josh Allen throws the football, I really hope the Bills are scouring the heck out of WRs that have strong hands and can pluck the ball out of the air. IMO, that’s the only way to go with a flamethrower QB. Anything other than that is just a wasted pick. So...what do you guys think? Any suggestions and why? Cooper Kupp...Catches everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This is who I want he's a 50/50 guy and let the NFL add some weight to his frame 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Funny thing is this a deep WR class but not likely to produce a lot of elite superstar WRs in my opinion, where the most successful ones will not necessarily be Jeudy, Lamb or Higgins. I think Higgins has trouble creating separation in his routes and isn’t very crisp in running them. Jeudy had the benefit of other stud WRs on the field with him that created far less attention on him than if he was the guy way better than the others. I’m not saying these guys aren’t good, but the Bills can wait and will have a chance at getting someone that checks the boxes they are looking for. You know they will be looking for a culture guy anyway that does all the things they expect like work hard to improve all facets of their game, is smart, and is a good person and teammate. There will be guys in the 2nd and 3rd round like Gabriel Davis (UCF) and guys very late in the draft like Van Jefferson (UF) whose father was NFL player and coach (btw Jonathan Greenard would be an absolute steal if the Bills have a chance in the 2nd round at DE - he has great technique, is a leader and is a really smart player) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 10 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: A guy I’d love to see the Bills get is Lawrence Cager out of UGA. Kid is big and fast and catches contested balls. Transferred out of Miami and got hurt this year in Athens. When Cager was on the field Fromm and the offense looked entirely different. He isn’t a first rounder. He is 6’5 220. Depending on combine he might be a 3rd or 4th rounder. That’s fine. We need to draft more than one WR this year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, ILBillsfan said: This is who I want he's a 50/50 guy and let the NFL add some weight to his frame It’s funny, I’ve never seen a guy drop a pass in a highlight reel. They all have great hands.? Edited December 20, 2019 by mannc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Whats wrong with the guys who let it bounce off their chest 10 hours ago, Rc2catch said: Never mind the draft. We’re getting marquise Goodwin back in free agency and acquiring Taylor Gabriel, and like 3 more receivers under 5’10. Smurf squad in full effect for 2020. Get er doneeeee Goodwin couldn`t catch a cold when he was here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: With all the money the Bills have coming up I would go and get a wideout in free agency. The learning curve for rookie defensive ends is a lot less steep than it is for wideouts. If Dallas decides not to pay Amari Cooper, go get him and draft Yetur Gross Matos. Dallas paid Zeke and Dallas is going to pay Dak. Maybe they are creative enough to make it work, but I doubt it. He would be my #1 target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 hands catchers? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 not sure how else the OP thinks WRs are scouted....... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, nucci said: hands catchers? Yeah they get the DB`s hands instead of the ball 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: not sure how else the OP thinks WRs are scouted....... I like the chest bouncers myself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Give me Shenault in the first or Pittman in the 2nd. Nobody under 6-2, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 hours ago, wppete said: Say Hi to Josh Allen’s new weapon! I like this kid. Anyone know his 40? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I like this kid. Anyone know his 40? If he is fast he is going top 12. Contested catches Run plays Sweeps Tracks the ball well I like him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I like this kid. Anyone know his 40? I read somewhere his low is 4.4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, wppete said: I read somewhere his low is 4.4 That's good for a big man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Give me Shenault in the first or Pittman in the 2nd. Nobody under 6-2, thank you. I like Pittman a lot too. I'd want him over Shenault to be honest. Good at adjusting to the ball and strong runner after the catch. Reminds me of Andre Reed. Edited December 20, 2019 by Ayjent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 hours ago, wppete said: Say Hi to Josh Allen’s new weapon! This is the guy I pray is available close to our pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 hours ago, whatdrought said: Dustin Hopkinsesque with his hands. I'd prefer someone who catches better than a kicker, tbh. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I hope that whoever was scouting WR's the first 2 drafts has been replaced by someone (much) better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 It's no secret that OBJ isn't happy in Cleveland. If he can be turned into a process guy and buy into the culture that has been established in Buffalo, I think we should target him in the offseason. We'll have the cap to make it happen. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: I hope that whoever was scouting WR's the first 2 drafts has been replaced by someone (much) better. Agreed. It's a hard position to get right sometimes and you saw Whaley and Nix really struggle to find a good WR even though they spent a ton of picks on them. Woods was probably their best pick, but TJ Graham and Marquise Goodwin were terrible picks and they way overspent on Watkins (and a lot of us knew it at the time too). The Bills need to hold steady at WR in this draft they could land two really good players at the position without having to even pick one in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 hours ago, wppete said: Say Hi to Josh Allen’s new weapon! We don’t draft high enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: It's no secret that OBJ isn't happy in Cleveland. If he can be turned into a process guy and buy into the culture that has been established in Buffalo, I think we should target him in the offseason. We'll have the cap to make it happen. Yeah, no. He's a drama queen who wants the big stage and that won't change. I also have had this sneaking suspicion that his best days are behind him. 5 minutes ago, Ayjent said: Agreed. It's a hard position to get right sometimes and you saw Whaley and Nix really struggle to find a good WR even though they spent a ton of picks on them. Woods was probably their best pick, but TJ Graham and Marquise Goodwin were terrible picks and they way overspent on Watkins (and a lot of us knew it at the time too). The Bills need to hold steady at WR in this draft they could land two really good players at the position without having to even pick one in the first round. Well at least the guy who instrumental in drafting Zay, Phil McGeoghan, is no longer with the team. So that's a start. The guys who took Watkins, Woods, Graham and Goodwin are long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 17 hours ago, whorlnut said: With the way Josh Allen throws the football, I really hope the Bills are scouring the heck out of WRs that have strong hands and can pluck the ball out of the air. IMO, that’s the only way to go with a flamethrower QB. Anything other than that is just a wasted pick. So...what do you guys think? Any suggestions and why? You mean the way Duke can ***** a ball out of the air any where with in his catch radius ? Yah that is definitely some one the Bills need to look for ! ? HMM I wonder where they might be able to find that guy at ?? Maybe the bench .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Would you want to put your hands in the path of one of Allen's fast balls? Hope the trainers have a lot of tape and splints ready for dislocated and broken fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: Yeah, no. He's a drama queen who wants the big stage and that won't change. I also have had this sneaking suspicion that his best days are behind him. Which is why I said if he can change. If not, then of course steer away. His hands are ridiculous which is the only reason why they should potentially pursue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolfootball1963 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) Ok I’ve never seen this Colorado Buffalo WR play. After watching him the first thing that comes to my mind is the guy looks and plays like Marshawn Lynch. So my question is what kind of separation can he get. That would be my only concern. Speed is not always a indication of if a WR can get separation. From what I saw in the video this guy is a real Weapon built for toughness. He already plays in cold weather and looks the part. If the Bills drafted him I would be on board for sure. Edited December 20, 2019 by oldschoolfootball1963 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: not sure how else the OP thinks WRs are scouted....... I heard they were scouting THIS GUY: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) I'm still super early in my scouting, but of the guys that will realistically be available in our range, DeVonta Smith and Jalen Reagor are the two that have stood out to me so far. Reagor wouldn't really be giving us the size a lot of people are looking for, but both of these guys are absolutely electric and DeVonta in particular has great hands in addition to being insanely explosive. 4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I like this kid. Anyone know his 40? Probably around a 4.55ish Edited December 20, 2019 by DCOrange 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Circlethewagon8404 said: Which is why I said if he can change. If not, then of course steer away. His hands are ridiculous which is the only reason why they should potentially pursue. There’s no way to know if he’s changed. Not worth taking the risk to find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Part of looking for hand-catchers is they naturally have more of a catching radius too. Speed and route discipline to stretch the defense, hands that give a QB confidence throwing 50/50 balls, and enough size to create mismatches. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, T master said: You mean the way Duke can ***** a ball out of the air any where with in his catch radius ? Yah that is definitely some one the Bills need to look for ! ? HMM I wonder where they might be able to find that guy at ?? Maybe the bench .. I'm guessing you've seen a highlight video or 2 of of Duke in the CFL where he's making all these remarkable catches. Other than preseason games or the Tennessee game where he caught 4 passes for 29 yds, he doesn't have much to show in the NFL. I know, I know he caught a TD pass vs. Tennessee. I was really curious to know, is he really catching everything thrown his way throughout his CFL career? I couldn't find CFL stats for drops, so I looked at the following CFL stats: Duke 2017: 83 attempts and 46 receptions. 37 attempts not completed 2018: 152 attempts and 88 receptions. 64 attempts not completed That turns out to be 235 attempts and 134 receptions. There were 101 pass attempts to Duke in 2 years that were not completed. I'm gonna assume this was not all on the QB. Some had to be drops, some had to be Duke not catching everything within a certain radius, some had to be Duke not catching a contested pass. Sure some have to be attributed to the QB as well, but that's a lot of incomplete attempts to blame on his QB when his teammates had better catch %'s during the same time frame. The guys below combined for 227 attempts and 72 attempts not completed in the same time frame, same team as Duke. I chose those 2 as they were closest to Duke in attempts. That's almost 30 less incomplete attempts on only 8 more pass attempts. You can go down the roster and choose any combination and still see the same thing. These 2 no name players had better catch % based on attempts, from the same QB as Duke caught from. This is in the CFL, with a running start and sub par DB's compared to the NFL. I would be curious to see any CFL stats on drops, if anyone can find them. Also, curious how much footage there would be if a video were made of his drops or attempts where he DIDN'T make the contested catch. That's a lot of attempts left on the field, in the CFL. He's just not good enough to take over a starting roster spot in Buffalo. Brandon Zylstra 2017: 132 attempts and 100 receptions. 32 attempts not completed 2018: Kenny Stafford -Zylstra wasn't listed in 2018 95 attempts and 55 receptions. 40 attempts not completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 20 hours ago, wppete said: Say Hi to Josh Allen’s new weapon! I can see the Bills liking this guy. Will he be available late 1st or 2nd (if Edge in 1st) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Oh, Pittman looks nice also. We need a guy with good hands and the ability to adjust to somewhat inaccurate throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 1:59 PM, wppete said: Say Hi to Josh Allen’s new weapon! I LIKE HIM !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carbonpoke Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This guy by a mile. Great hands 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I’ve been waiting years to see a Whorlnut post. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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