Nelius Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Eric Eager wants attention. Dude probably has a neckbeard and a Reddit addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Whose PFF? I used to read PFF regularly... in like 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Why is this so shocking?  Hodges is playing great. High completion percentage, high YPA, he's playing very well indeed.  Hodges TD per game this season - 0.8 JA TD per game this season - 1.92  And we're in a better position for the playoffs.  I don't man, I'm sure there are some wonky advanced stats that can show a better snapshot of Hodges right now, but Allen can undoubtedly take it to another level that I guarantee Duck can't. Give me Allen all day. Nobody cares about Eric Eager's opinion, including his mother. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) I mean sure...let's crown his ass after three complete games vs. Chargers, Browns, and Cards plus a couple quarters vs. Ravens and Bungles. Maybe Devlin needs to play a little more before he's considered better than any regular starter.  Allen still has a lot to prove. There are going to be legitimate doubters until he proves he can be the reason we're winning. There are a lot of games where he's only doing just enough, and others where he's falling way short. Edited December 13, 2019 by VW82 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: To be fair when Josh Allen is bad he’s a bottom 3 QB (30-32). Allen is yet to register a 300 yard game & has generally been a midrange QB this year. Duck Hodges is the #28 QB on a good or bad day.  I continue to "not get it" why people are so obsessed with 300 yd games.  There are two QB in the NFL this year who are AVERAGING over 300 ypg. That would be Dak Prescott and Jameis Winston. Both of their teams have records of 6-7. Why is this number a valuable metric for QB performance?  Winston has also thrown 26 TD. 26 TD! Wow! Second in the NFL! Except, when you learn he's thrown 23 INTs, it doesn't sound so good.     3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I don't think it is an agenda. Via the numbers, TD, TD:INT, Per Attempt, and Comp %, he is playing better over 4 games, than Josh has over 13 this season. The sample size is small. It is a bit of click bait, but it isn't necessarily wrong, and does not mean that their careers will follow that trajectory. He is bound to lay  No need to get our panties in a bunch. He is bound to lay a few clunkers against Buffalo and Baltimore...god knows what happens in that Jets game. The numbers will play out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:  I continue to "not get it" why people are so obsessed with 300 yd games.  There are two QB in the NFL this year who are AVERAGING over 300 ypg. That would be Dak Prescott and Jameis Winston. Both of their teams have records of 6-7. Why is this number a valuable metric for QB performance?  Winston has also thrown 26 TD. 26 TD! Wow! Second in the NFL! Except, when you learn he's thrown 23 INTs, it doesn't sound so good.     At this point I do want him to have a 300 yd game not because it matters but because I'm sick of hearing about it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: At this point I do want him to have a 300 yd game not because it matters but because I'm sick of hearing about it.  But it's so pointless; if he has a 300 yd game, people will start talking about how many he has, or still just ignore it.  People were all whiny that Josh hadn't completed a single long pass, not one pass over 20 yds all season. Now he's completed some, it's about how many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mango said: I don't think it is an agenda. Via the numbers, TD, TD:INT, Per Attempt, and Comp %, he is playing better over 4 games, than Josh has over 13 this season. The sample size is small. It is a bit of click bait, but it isn't necessarily wrong, and does not mean that their careers will follow that trajectory. He is bound to lay  No need to get our panties in a bunch. He is bound to lay a few clunkers against Buffalo and Baltimore...god knows what happens in that Jets game. The numbers will play out. It’s worse than wrong; it’s stupid and it’s indicative of the kind of analysis that plagues the NFL these days. I can guarantee whoever wrote that hasn’t watched enough of Allen and certainly hasn’t watched Hodges to conclude that.  I’ve seen all his throws. He doesn’t do anything very well. He was their third stringer for a reason and while I think he’s playing better than Rudolph, acting like it isn’t ridiculous to say he’s better than Allen just means you haven’t seen him play. He throws safe passes underneath and a couple 50/50 bombs that his receivers help him out with occasionally. He is in no way shape or form a better QB than Allen. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:  But it's so pointless; if he has a 300 yd game, people will start talking about how many he has, or still just ignore it.  People were all whiny that Josh hadn't completed a single long pass, not one pass over 20 yds all season. Now he's completed some, it's about how many. Yeah that's probably true I mean these PFF guys have had to grudgingly say Allen has been playing well the last three games but he has a bad game against a top defense and now he's worse than the Steelers 3rd string QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It’s worse than wrong; it’s stupid and it’s indicative of the kind of analysis that plagues the NFL these days. I can guarantee whoever wrote that hasn’t watched enough of Allen and certainly hasn’t watched Hodges to conclude that.  I’ve seen all his throws. He doesn’t do anything very well. He was their third stringer for a reason and while I think he’s playing better than Rudolph, acting like it isn’t ridiculous to say he’s better than Allen just means you haven’t seen him play. He throws safe passes underneath and a couple 50/50 bombs that his receivers help him out with occasionally. He is in no way shape or form a better QB than Allen.  I agree with you to a certain extent. I would much rather have Josh than Duck moving forward. I think Josh is a better QB because of his legs, his arm strength, and his intangibles.  But to play devils advocate, I think we all wish that in the Baltimore game Josh took some more safe underneath stuff, and that his bombs were 50/50 balls (which they weren't). You don't get bonus points for missing more difficult throws vs. completing easier passes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:  But it's so pointless; if he has a 300 yd game, people will start talking about how many he has, or still just ignore it.  People were all whiny that Josh hadn't completed a single long pass, not one pass over 20 yds all season. Now he's completed some, it's about how many.  I don't think people want or expect him to throw 300 yards week in or week out. Or at least I don't, you become too one dimensional all the time. Rather would like to see him own a game if we do need to go there in a shoot out.  Not to rehash old wounds/threads, but Josh is pushing pretty low on the list of starts to 300 yards. Right now he is at 24. The only QB's since 1998 who lasted 6 years and/or had 20 starts in the league who failed to hit a 300 yard game by now are:  Vince Young (25) Charlie Batch (27) Tyrod Taylor (29) Alex Smith (36 David Garrard (40) Seneca Wallace (never) Kellen Clemens (never) Trent Edwards (never) David Fales (never)  Again- hitting early doesn't mean anything, but it seems hitting late is not great.  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Warcodered said: At this point I do want him to have a 300 yd game not because it matters but because I'm sick of hearing about it.  300 yard game from Josh likely means he had to throw more which probably means we lost. Let's save that for next year when we can afford it. I'll take efficient Josh who punks defenders with his legs and throws darts in the short to medium areas of the field. I'm way more concerned with the status of his ankle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mango said:  I don't think people want or expect him to throw 300 yards week in or week out. Or at least I don't, you become too one dimensional all the time. Rather would like to see him own a game if we do need to go there in a shoot out.  Not to rehash old wounds/threads, but Josh is pushing pretty low on the list of starts to 300 yards. Right now he is at 24. The only QB's since 1998 who lasted 6 years and/or had 20 starts in the league who failed to hit a 300 yard game by now are:  Vince Young (25) Charlie Batch (27) Tyrod Taylor (29) Alex Smith (36 David Garrard (40) Seneca Wallace (never) Kellen Clemens (never) Trent Edwards (never) David Fales (never)  Again- hitting early doesn't mean anything, but it seems hitting late is not great.  Why would any Bills fan who knows anything about this team worry about 300 yard passing from Allen? We don’t get into shootouts and we don’t have garbage time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Why would any Bills fan who knows anything about this team worry about 300 yard passing from Allen? We don’t get into shootouts and we don’t have garbage time.  You are absolutely right, currently the case. But when you look the current QB market, and young guys coming off their rookie deals are taking up to 20% of the teams cap space, you will most likely either get into garbage time or get into shootouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Whose PFF? mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Nelius said:  Hodges TD per game this season - 0.8 JA TD per game this season - 1.92  And we're in a better position for the playoffs.  I don't man, I'm sure there are some wonky advanced stats that can show a better snapshot of Hodges right now, but Allen can undoubtedly take it to another level that I guarantee Duck can't. Give me Allen all day. Nobody cares about Eric Eager's opinion, including his mother.   Hodges TD % this season : 5.0% of his throws are TDs  JA TD % this season: 4.2% of his throws are TDs  And again, given a guess at the better future, I and nearly everyone else would take Josh. But the question PFF raises is who is playing better right now. I think it's very fair to argue that that's Hodges. He's really doing a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, GoBills808 said: It’s worse than wrong; it’s stupid and it’s indicative of the kind of analysis that plagues the NFL these days. I can guarantee whoever wrote that hasn’t watched enough of Allen and certainly hasn’t watched Hodges to conclude that.  I’ve seen all his throws. He doesn’t do anything very well. He was their third stringer for a reason and while I think he’s playing better than Rudolph, acting like it isn’t ridiculous to say he’s better than Allen just means you haven’t seen him play. He throws safe passes underneath and a couple 50/50 bombs that his receivers help him out with occasionally. He is in no way shape or form a better QB than Allen.  I agree with this save for I think it is a little unfair to the Duck on the deep balls. A couple of those have been really nice throws. I actually think his deep ball is one of his more impressive traits. He has a pretty deep throw but he has thrown them against some questionable secondaries.  Other than that he looks like the typical kind of game manager guy who nobody has tape on (is playing behind a better than average OL too) who manages to come in and not screw up for a few games until the league adjusts. We saw this very same story with Kyle Allen in Carolina earlier this same football season.  To even make the statement that Duck Hodges is the better Quarterback in a game against Josh Allen is pretty ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 It’s a website for Nerds the same guys who spend all day studying WAR in baseball that’s all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Mango said:  You are absolutely right, currently the case. But when you look the current QB market, and young guys coming off their rookie deals are taking up to 20% of the teams cap space, you will most likely either get into garbage time or get into shootouts.  It is true that we will eventually get into a shootout somewhere and Josh will have to come through in those games. But it is also true that it is far from proven he can't do it when he hasn't really been asked to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: It’s a website for Nerds the same guys who spend all day studying WAR in baseball that’s all    Nerds? Yeah, maybe.  But nerds whose product is purchased by a large majority of NFL teams? Definitely.  People hate PFF when they say things they don't like. It's a shoot the messenger deal. But though nobody's right all the time and that certainly goes for PFF as well, they do a damn good job. If they didn't, teams wouldn't buy their stuff. Again, doesn't mean they're right in any given case, and certainly so on something as opinion-based and small sample-based as this. But they're a smart group doing a good job.  And since they never said that Hodges will be a better QB than Allen down the road, instead only saying that right now he's playing better, that's a defensible argument they're making. Edited December 13, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc said:  He's playing caretaker football. He's averaging about 175 yards a game passing, hasn't thrown for more than 1 TD in a game, and in 2 of his 4 wins, he's thrown as many TDs and INTs. Plus he's played some of the worst teams in the NFL during that time. Ya but doing good against  bad teams only matters for Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Who needs PFF to tell us Josh sucks. Our own fans will tell you. They should change the saying nobody circles the wagon like the buffalo bills into nobody eats their own like buffalo bills fans.  I would love to see duck dodger play like Allen did against the cowboys on Thanksgiving day.  Fantasy football has ruined the sport. It's all about numbers not winning. Screw 300 yards. I'll take winning everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:    Nerds? Yeah, maybe.  But nerds whose product is purchased by a large majority of NFL teams? Definitely.  People hate PFF when they say things they don't like. It's a shoot the messenger deal. But though nobody's right all the time and that certainly goes for PFF as well, they do a damn good job. If they didn't, teams wouldn't buy their stuff. Again, doesn't mean they're right in any given case, and certainly so on something as opinion-based and small sample-based as this. But they're a smart group doing a good job.  And since they never said that Hodges will be a better QB than Allen down the road, instead only saying that right now he's playing better, that's a defensible argument they're making. They consider Dak Prescott the second most important player in football the sight is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I’ll be more impressed if Allen finishes the season above 60% completion as opposed to getting a 300 yard game passing. Allen is still young at 23, but as others noted the company he finds himself in is fairly average. And that is what Allen likey turns out to be: a mid level game manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, the skycap said: Prove them wrong Josh!! Yup...good thing is JA plays better on the road Edited December 13, 2019 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I stopped at PFF. Any organization run by collinsworth is inherently a joke. 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Â And since they never said that Hodges will be a better QB than Allen down the road, instead only saying that right now he's playing better, that's a defensible argument they're making. Â Except it's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I stopped at PFF. Any organization run by collinsworth is inherently a joke. Â Except it's not. Â Â Yeah, some great logic there. I doubt even Socrates would want to take you on with brilliant arguments like that. Â Pretty much any time you see a guy saying "I stopped at ..." what you've got is a guy with a serious case of confirmation bias who won't read anything he disagrees with, whether or not it makes sense. Edited December 13, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Â Â Yeah, some great logic there. I doubt even Socrates would want to take you on with brilliant arguments like that. Â Pretty much any time you see a guy saying "I stopped at ..." what you've got is a guy with a serious case of confirmation bias who won't read anything he disagrees with, whether or not it makes sense. Â Generally have no use for "grades" that are created by organizations with closed, proprietary systems that have little to no accountability. Â But hey, you're entitled to do you. Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 ...uh oh....sounds like Big Ben will be trade bait....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Â We will see Sunday night! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kiva said: After last game, comments like this are warranted. You never know which Josh we are going to get, he has to be smarter and more consistent. He really can’t have anymore games like the Ravens. It hurts his reputation tremendously. He has a lot to prove. Well I completely agree last week was an awful game I would argue Jim Kelly had many games like Allen did last week throughout his career. Great defense make even great QB’s look bad. Fact! Edited December 13, 2019 by Lenigmusx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 He’s better than Duck Hodges. I mean cmon.  But I think we can all agree, in some big home games vs NE, Philly and Baltimore... teams and coaches with some pedigree, Josh Allen has sucked.  He has to be better than those performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 They are trolling the "Bills Mafia." It's as simple as that. Don't feed the troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Lol. This is truly embarrassing for this guy. CLEARLY just looking at stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 This is a professional sportswriter? Someone who pays the mortgage writing about sports for a living?  Or a guy living in his mom's basement saying who says stuff on the Internet like us?  Seems like the latter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, jrober38 said: I understand why PFF would be skeptical of Allen, but it's hard to believe anyone actually thinks Hodges is the better player.  Let's see what happens after Hodges has a few more starts...always much easier to look good when teams have very little tape on you. Doubt he is going to look good this game. Edited December 13, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Good bulletin board material. Use it to prove the doubters wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 They would feel differently if they, you know, actually watched football games instead of just analyzing the stat sheet afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 PFF = PFF... who cares, stopped clicking on their site... just a regurgitation of other twitter verse already out there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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