Bengals accuse Pats employee of videotaping their play calls

[ToGoGo]

37 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I just wonder if the delay is the fact that many owners are really really mad.

 

They skated before and everyone agreed to let it pass for the good of the league.  They were probably told to knock it off.  

 

You have to think other owners, especially in the afc are more livid than us.

 

This runs WAYYYY deeper than most can comprehend. Why aren't the owners going public right now? Because of "the shield"? These owners combined are worth way more than "the shield". 

 

Because the truth is that there is more going on than just the Patriots cheating. 

[fansince88]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Well no because I'm not benefiting from it, nor am I involved in it.  

 

Well first off, I was just kidding but if you want to talk law... if you are driving a car and you knew your buddy just robbed the liquor store and continued to drive the car... yes, you would go to jail too.

Alllllllrighty then!

[ToGoGo]

6 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

Panning back and forth from sidelines to substitutions.  Definitely normal.

 

Imagine the competitive advantage in filming the sideline/substitutions versus using your eyes. 

 

Rewind, play forward, rewind, play forward...."Oh wait, I didn't notice that before"...rewind, play forward.....

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

This runs WAYYYY deeper than most can comprehend. Why aren't the owners going public right now? Because of "the shield"? These owners combined are worth way more than "the shield". 

 

Because the truth is that there is more going on than just the Patriots cheating. 

more than cheating?!? Are they the spies for another country?!?

[ComradeKayAdams]

9 minutes ago, Your Brown Eye said:

 

According to you Tom Brady is guilty because "he knows" they cheat. Does that make you guilty too because "you know" that that Tom Brady "knows" that they cheat?

 

 

Oh wow. Oh dear. I just...I had no idea. All my life I have tried to do the right thing. I'm sorry, everyone. I'm truly sorry. I will turn myself in promptly tomorrow morning to the league office headquarters. Pray for me. Please pray for my soul.

[ToGoGo]

11 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

more than cheating?!? Are they the spies for another country?!?

 

Vegas. Referees. Fixes.

 

Things get ugly if you want to know the truth. Watch the Frontline documentary. 

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Vegas. Referees. Fixes.

 

Things get ugly if you want to know the truth. Watch the Frontline documentary. 

 

Wow, can you image the chaos that would ensue if the NFL owners watch a documentary and find out that they are being ripped off by dirty referees and "Vegas"???

 

You better keep this quiet!

3 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

Pats having and illegal advantage.

 

 

The advantage is that Dalton is criminally awful.

 

The Bengals brought him back to lock up the Burrows pick.  Let them hav their L--they have a well thought out plan.

[Sig1Hunter]

38 minutes ago, KayAdams said:

 

Oh wow. Oh dear. I just...I had no idea. All my life I have tried to do the right thing. I'm sorry, everyone. I'm truly sorry. I will turn myself in promptly tomorrow morning to the league office headquarters. Pray for me. Please pray for my soul.

When it comes time for a conjugal visit, call me up.

[ToGoGo]

10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wow, can you image the chaos that would ensue if the NFL owners watch a documentary and find out that they are being ripped off by dirty referees and "Vegas"???

 

You better keep this quiet!

 

Deleted Frontline documentary from 1983. Savitch the reporter was found dead in a ditch months later. Documentary not aired until leaked many years later. 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Savitch

 

Besides, MR WEO, this post isn't for you. It's for the open-minded ones who can't figure out what's going on and how these cheaters keep skating by and all the other owners stand by quiet. 

 

The answer has been out in the open for 35 years. If you want to hear it. You think it's all cleaned up now? 

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Deleted Frontline documentary from 1983. Savitch the reporter was found dead in a ditch months later. Documentary not aired until leaked many years later. 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Savitch

 

Besides, MR WEO, this post isn't for you. It's for the open-minded ones who can't figure out what's going on and how these cheaters keep skating by and all the other owners stand by quiet. 

 

The answer has been out in the open for 35 years. If you want to hear it. You think it's all cleaned up now? 

I thought for years that refs get paid off by Vegas.  The mob has a hand in everything and well... the NFL is huge money.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Well no because I'm not benefiting from it, nor am I involved in it.  

 

Well first off, I was just kidding but if you want to talk law... if you are driving a car and you knew your buddy just robbed the liquor store and continued to drive the car... yes, you would go to jail too.

Yup. But this isn’t the law. Goodell is the judge, jury and executioner, not 12 people who couldn't find a way to get out of jury duty.

Edited December 16, 2019 by Doc

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

conspiracy theory

 

 

bengals were keeping it real close in the first half. well, we can not forbid the evil empire from their 11th win and clinching a playoff berth. still two games to go and must make it a 13 win season.

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

Just now, ToGoGo said:

 

Deleted Frontline documentary from 1983. Savitch the reporter was found dead in a ditch months later. Documentary not aired until leaked many years later. 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Savitch

 

Besides, MR WEO, this post isn't for you. It's for the open-minded ones who can't figure out what's going on and how these cheaters keep skating by and all the other owners stand by quiet. 

 

The answer has been out in the open for 35 years. If you want to hear it. You think it's all cleaned up now? 

 

Yes 40 years ago this was a big problem.

 

So you are saying that, today,  all other owners are "keeping quiet" because they are all profiting from NE cheating?  Are they all, personally, betting huge sums of money on NE each week?  Can you give us some more links that show the entire group of owners is "in on it", and exactly what it is they are in on?

 

This is great stuff, give us more.

[1ManRaid]

17 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said:

When it comes time for a conjugal visit, call me up.

Get in line.  I will fight you.  With my fists.  My fists of punching.

[NoSaint]

13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Yes 40 years ago this was a big problem.

 

So you are saying that, today,  all other owners are "keeping quiet" because they are all profiting from NE cheating?  Are they all, personally, betting huge sums of money on NE each week?  Can you give us some more links that show the entire group of owners is "in on it", and exactly what it is they are in on?

 

This is great stuff, give us more.

also, if you genuinely believe this why would you watch religiously and even spend time here talking about rigged games? Seems wasteful for all of us but if you believe it’s all a scam it’s particularly silly, right?

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

also, if you genuinely believe this why would you watch religiously and even spend time here talking about rigged games? Seems wasteful for all of us but if you believe it’s all a scam it’s particularly silly, right?

WEO muddying the waters so he can convince himself his team doesn't cheat.  But they do.

[ComradeKayAdams]

5 minutes ago, 1ManRaid said:

Get in line.  I will fight you.  With my fists.  My fists of punching.

 

I'm not a picky girl. I'll just need a shiv and a pack of smokes. Whichever one of you can do this for me will have my heart. By the way, what REALLY happened with Ronnie Harmon's drop vs. the Browns? Can one of you Frank/Joe Hardy-type internet sleuths get to the bottom of this while I'm in the slammer? Thank you

[PromoTheRobot]

Obviously Gilmore saw the Bengals playbook.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

also, if you genuinely believe this why would you watch religiously and even spend time here talking about rigged games? Seems wasteful for all of us but if you believe it’s all a scam it’s particularly silly, right?

 

 

It's your "open mind" that prevents you from "figuring out" why....

 

LOL the guy posts a 40 year old PBS story.  He obviously thinks MLB is completely corrupt because "Black Sox" and NCAA ball because "City College" 

 

 

[4merper4mer]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's your "open mind" that prevents you from "figuring out" why....

 

LOL the guy posts a 40 year old PBS story.  He obviously thinks MLB is completely corrupt because "Black Sox" and NCAA ball because "City College" 

 

 

Your Pats cheat.

[1ManRaid]

24 minutes ago, KayAdams said:

 

I'm not a picky girl. I'll just need a shiv and a pack of smokes. Whichever one of you can do this for me will have my heart. By the way, what REALLY happened with Ronnie Harmon's drop vs. the Browns? Can one of you Frank/Joe Hardy-type internet sleuths get to the bottom of this while I'm in the slammer? Thank you

I'm apparently really good at getting stuff over the border without having to pay taxes, so I'm sure I could figure out how to smuggle some contraband to you.

[Prickly Pete]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bengals security guy is more competent than their entire front office 

 

 

 

That guy should at least be assistant GM.

[apuszczalowski]

4 minutes ago, 32ABBA said:

 

That guy should at least be assistant GM.

Well he could have been bounced up to President if he forced them out of the building and smashed the camera right in front of them.....

[1st&ten]

On 12/9/2019 at 3:20 PM, aristocrat said:

Force the pats to forfeit the game 

 

That's a little harsh-----just ban them from post season !!!!

[mykidsdad]

I haven't seen this posted yet. If it is a repeat, I'm sorry. This looks so fishy. And I love the Bengals security guy. 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/15/patriots-spygate-video-released-new-england-bengals/

 

 

[mykidsdad]

Video recording a video recording. The world we live in!

[Punching Bag]

17 hours ago, ALF said:

There is the possibility of a suspension for a member of upper management and/or ownership as well, sources said, pending the results of the NFL's full investigation into the matter.

 

"There is a possibility" is like maybe and has not value.

 

Better words would be "It is unlikely but NFL may be pushed into a suspension".

16 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

....time for Goodell to pull a "Penn State" and void their 17 consecutive 10 win seasons, 16 AFCE titles and Brady's 29-3 record vs Bflo...........

 

Do not forget the Pete Rose treatment for Trifecta of Evil - Kraft, Billicheat and Br*dy.

[Punching Bag]

13 hours ago, sven233 said:

These talking heads are idiots if they don't think that this information doesn't make its way back to Billy B.  Yes, maybe he has nothing to do with the actual tapes themselves, but if you don't think the information that they gather from these tapes don't end up in a report on his desk at the end of the day, you are stupid and ignorant.

 

This is crap and no fine or draft pick loss is enough.  What is a few million dollars to a company that is worth billions?  A draft pick, or even an entire draft, is no big deal with FA.  They need a REAL punishment that should prevent this from ever happening again They should be playoff ineligible this year and next year at a minimum and the coaching staff should be suspended as well.

 

I agree that being banned from playoffs makes sense and it is simple - P*ts position whether it is 1 or 6 is vacated and everyone moves up which is normal way things work but what if a team with no chance of getting into playoffs did this?  There has to be a public position on it and if it means anyone involved OR RESPONSIBLE is banned from NFL like those Chicago baseball players so be it.

11 hours ago, Sig1Hunter said:

How does ESPN go from exposing the Patriots in that article then to shilling for them now? Every time “The Worldwide Leader” talks about the topic it is completely minimized and the cheating history and MO are totally ignored. Bless the Bengals for fighting this fight! Seriously. 

 

It is because ESPN has no real direction.  Lots of opinion writers, editors who have minimal influence hence poorly written / produced, etc.  Almost as bad as Bills website (which at time was contracted out to company in Chicago) which had the wrong score on their website of a Bills game.

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, KayAdams said:

 

Us media types are all given instructions to minimize the Patriots' cheating so to make the NFL look legitimate and not look like the bull####, big-market pandering WWE circus that it has become. But deep down, we all know their two-decade "dynasty" is fraudulent. We just can't say it on the air. Oh my stars....I'd lose my job at GMFB if I said this! On a related note, please no one tell Roger Goodell that I post here at Two Bills Drive.

 

Looks like "Kay" does not know there are a number of P*ts moles here.  

8 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

I just wonder if the delay is the fact that many owners are really really mad.

 

They skated before and everyone agreed to let it pass for the good of the league.  They were probably told to knock it off.  

 

You have to think other owners, especially in the afc are more livid than us.

 

No there are not.  They see the cheating but realize if it is public this may cost them money.  We do not have a Al Davis anymore.

 

P*ts should be sold with money from new owner divided among teams in league based on number of games played against them with bonuses for teams which played them in playoffs.

[mannc]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

I agree that being banned from playoffs makes sense and it is simple - P*ts position whether it is 1 or 6 is vacated and everyone moves up which is normal way things work but what if a team with no chance of getting into playoffs did this?  There has to be a public position on it and if it means anyone involved OR RESPONSIBLE is banned from NFL like those Chicago baseball players so be it.

 

It is because ESPN has no real direction.  Lots of opinion writers, editors who have minimal influence hence poorly written / produced, etc.  Almost as bad as Bills website (which at time was contracted out to company in Chicago) which had the wrong score on their website of a Bills game.

A moron on ESPN radio compared this to the Pats being caught driving 56 MPH in a 55 zone...coulda happened to anyone.  He also guaranteed that the Pats gained no competitive advantage. I don’t know who it was because I immediately changed the channel.

[BillsFanNC]

They have a documented record of cheating. Period.  They will keep cheating going forward until punished sufficiently.  

 

Its like the Seahawks strategy a few years ago when they just held on defense every play knowing they would only get flagged for it once in awhile. The benefit of holding every play and getting away with it far outweighed the cost of getting flagged periodically. 

[Golden*Wheels]

Boomer Esiason is on the radio this AM and he says now that he saw the footage...he says they are in trouble.

 

He also says Belicheck sounds a lot different this week, than he did last week, talking about this. Also said the crew was Kraft's camera crew, and somebody had already been let go?

[billsfan714]

Pats could get signals from the video and isnt funny how teams have reported issues with helmet communication in NE, which causes teams to rely on signals.   And the guy lied about his position with the organization.   If it walks like a duck........ 

[May Day 10]

5 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

 

No there are not.  They see the cheating but realize if it is public this may cost them money.  We do not have a Al Davis anymore.

 

 

I suspect it might be a catch 22.  I have to think that certain owners are probably furious behind the scenes.  Think of all the revenue that fat little toad Bob Kraft hoards, and all the revenue lost by Irsay/Indy have lost a ton to the 'dynasty', KC could have won a Superbowl last season, LA lost the Superbowl, Baltimore could have had more glory over the years, Pittsburgh too, Buffalo could/should have home playoff games, etc.  Even Khan has to wonder if the AFC Championship Game a few years ago was tainted and a Superbowl could have done wonders for the Jaguars.

 

The owners probably do acknowledge the damage that could be done with huge penalties, but also aren't rolling over.  I am almost certain that there was a pretty strong 'gentlemen's agreement' in 2007 that collectively, the owners would make this go away, BUT, the Patriots needed to cease and desist with the B.S.  I think this is why "Deflategate" was so overblown, and I dont think Kraft and Belichick helped themselves with the lack of cooperation and general disregard for the NFL.

 

 

I think this is why the resolution has been delayed.  There 

[PromoTheRobot]

6 hours ago, mykidsdad said:

I haven't seen this posted yet. If it is a repeat, I'm sorry. This looks so fishy. And I love the Bengals security guy. 

 

https://www.tmz.com/2019/12/15/patriots-spygate-video-released-new-england-bengals/

 

 

 

And the Pats guy trying to bargain his way out of the trap. What a stinking pile of s### that team is.

[shrader]

59 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

And the Pats guy trying to bargain his way out of the trap. What a stinking pile of s### that team is.

 

Thank god he had the accent.  It's so appropriate for the scenario and makes the whole thing that much better.

[MAJBobby]

 

[Motorin']

2 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

Pats could get signals from the video and isnt funny how teams have reported issues with helmet communication in NE, which causes teams to rely on signals.   And the guy lied about his position with the organization.   If it walks like a duck........ 

 

If you watch many Pats games, Belichick does the thing each week. On the first few drives of games he stares across the field watching the signals the team is using, Ernie Adams, their cheating coordinator is in his ear, and he writes down what signals are what formation ect. on a note card in his pocket. 

 

They're stealing signals week in and week out. 

1 hour ago, shrader said:

 

Thank god he had the accent.  It's so appropriate for the scenario and makes the whole thing that much better.

And he's a total moron. He tries to get out of the situation by lying and saying he doesn't have a computer so he can get the files back once he deletes them. But all you need is a computer and you can recover deleted files from any camera. And he knows that, because every videographer in the world has accidentally deleted files and knows that file recovery software for cameras exist for the very reason. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by Motorin'

[mannc]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Is there anyone dumber than Terry Bradshaw?   
 

Also, I love this quote from JJ:  “I can’t believe Belichick would be involved in something like this.”  ?

[aristocrat]

Belichick is responsible for everything below him.  Payton got suspened a season for Greggo and the head hunting.  Bill needs to be suspended next year at the least. What a way for his career to end.