Gore vs Yeldon

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I have been fairly vocal that cutting McCoy was a mistake.  I was fine with the Gore signing but not at the expense of cutting Shady. 

Now 13 games into the season, it is clear Gore has nothing left. He is not contributing anything on the field.  Let's assume he is a good locker room presence. Well that does not mean he has to be active on game day.  Yeldon offers so much more than Gore in terms of pass catching ability and speed to the edge.  If Gore wasn't 3rd all time rusher he would not be active on Sunday.  He is getting the nod based on respect not ability.  Would it make much difference on Sunday?  I don't know but it's yet another in a long line of personnel decisions that are head scratchers.

What says the board?  At least next time they have 1st and goal in side the five, please use Gore as a decoy.  Everyone knows that he is getting the ball and he has been more liekly to lose yards than gain any.

[Blank Stare]

Gore is no world beater, but should be active. He’s a reliable, steady presence if we get a lead. It’s Senorise Perry that should be sat down. Yeldon offers more to the offense. I refuse to think he also can’t run down the dang field to make a special teams tackle or watch them fair catch.

 

But, a thumper, bruising back should be on our off season wish list. A compliment to motor would go a long way. 

Edited December 9, 2019 by TheProcess

[BuffaloBillies]

Make active: Yeldon & Duke!

Make inactive: Any 2 of... DiMarco, Perry, Kroft, Lee.

I don't make Gore inactive, there are others less consequential options. 

[wvbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Make active: Yeldon & Duke!

Make inactive: Any 2 of... DiMarco, Perry, Kroft, Lee.

I don't make Gore inactive, there are others less consequential options. 

Agree. Why can’t Lee Smith do what Dimarco does?

 

We need yeldon in the passing game. He was big for us in the second half of the patriots game. Bills coaches are stubborn tho. Probably keep going with the same inactive list. 

[Dr.Sack]

Gore isn’t the problem. The problem is not carrying more RBs on the game day roster. 

[US Egg]

Why they signed Yeldon to sit is a head scratcher.

 

He has a career average of 5 yards per touch.

 

Maybe there are issues not apparent.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Why they signed Yeldon to sit is a head scratcher.

 

He has a career average of 5 yards per touch.

 

Maybe there are issues not apparent.

no they’re pretty apparent - he fumbles

[US Egg]

38 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

no they’re pretty apparent - he fumbles

Yeldon- 6 fumbles, 656 touches. One fumble per 109 touches.

 

Gore- 45 fumbles, 3,997 touches. One fumble per 88 touches.

 

What's apparent JoPo Gore's a higher fumble risk than Yeldon.

Edited December 9, 2019 by I am the egg man

[Ethan in Cleveland]

34 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

no they’re pretty apparent - he fumbles

 

14 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

Six fumbles, 656 touches is hardly glaring. Rate 0.9%

 

Frank Gore 45 fumbles, 3,997 touches. Rate 1.1%

Singletary 2 Fumbles 108 Touches Rate 1.8%

 

So Yeldon has the lowest fumble/touch rate.   So what is the next excuse?   

 

I agree with others, what does Lee Smith or DiMarco add to the 46.  

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I have been fairly vocal that cutting McCoy was a mistake.  I was fine with the Gore signing but not at the expense of cutting Shady. 

Now 13 games into the season, it is clear Gore has nothing left. He is not contributing anything on the field.  Let's assume he is a good locker room presence. Well that does not mean he has to be active on game day.  Yeldon offers so much more than Gore in terms of pass catching ability and speed to the edge.  If Gore wasn't 3rd all time rusher he would not be active on Sunday.  He is getting the nod based on respect not ability.  Would it make much difference on Sunday?  I don't know but it's yet another in a long line of personnel decisions that are head scratchers.

What says the board?  At least next time they have 1st and goal in side the five, please use Gore as a decoy.  Everyone knows that he is getting the ball and he has been more liekly to lose yards than gain any.

You and me both. I love what Gore has done, not what he is doing now. I think we need as many weapons and outlets for Josh in the passing game. When he is under pressure, it would be nice to see some dump offs to Yeldon and not have the throw to the gut and drop it Knox plays.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:

I don't know of any excuses for you

I was agreeing with you, just added the rates 

[JoshAllin]

yelodon's also horrrible a pass blocking

[ganesh]

Gore will be gone next season.  They will draft that big back in the middle round in the draft or get through FA. Yeldon hasn't had a chance more due to Gore being the 3rd all time leading rusher.

[racketmaster]

I’m still hot the Bills not only trotted Gore out again for that goal line situation in the 4th, but they handed him the ball. We ended losing another 90 seconds and a timeout because we chose not to sneak it or give it to Singletary. He has been terrible in short yardage for weeks now. Just keep him on team as a leader but do not dress him. Yeldon is much better at this point.

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I have been fairly vocal that cutting McCoy was a mistake.  I was fine with the Gore signing but not at the expense of cutting Shady. 

Now 13 games into the season, it is clear Gore has nothing left. He is not contributing anything on the field.  Let's assume he is a good locker room presence. Well that does not mean he has to be active on game day.  Yeldon offers so much more than Gore in terms of pass catching ability and speed to the edge.  If Gore wasn't 3rd all time rusher he would not be active on Sunday.  He is getting the nod based on respect not ability.  Would it make much difference on Sunday?  I don't know but it's yet another in a long line of personnel decisions that are head scratchers.

What says the board?  At least next time they have 1st and goal in side the five, please use Gore as a decoy.  Everyone knows that he is getting the ball and he has been more liekly to lose yards than gain any.

 

 

Totally disagree- McCoy is done also and no where near the professional that Gore is.  Gore was brought in to help teach Singletary how to be a professional and take care of himself.  Singletary’s progress is all the reason to have Gore and not McCoy on this team that I need.

 

Yes Gore is pretty much done, but Yeldon is nothing better and has shown an issue holding on to the ball in pre-season.  When Yeldon has been active he gives you nothing and really is more of a Singletary replacement and I want Singletary in the game not Yeldon.  
 

I am not scratching my head at this.  The FO has come out and told you Gore’s role - Mentor to Singletary.  I understand not seeing long term vision in short term goals, but this FO is not looking at one year - they are looking at how to build a team for many years and sometimes that means have veteran professionals available on the field and in the film room to get the young players to understand and grow. 
 

 

[Rochesterfan]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

 

Singletary 2 Fumbles 108 Touches Rate 1.8%

 

So Yeldon has the lowest fumble/touch rate.   So what is the next excuse?   

 

I agree with others, what does Lee Smith or DiMarco add to the 46.  

Yeldon showed his issue in camp fumbling, but the biggest reason to keep Yeldon away  is what we saw yesterday once again.  Yeldon cannot pass block at all.  Both Gore and by extension his protege Singletary are much better at picking up free rushers.  
 

Yeldon gives you pass catching, but can’t block - so again you are putting him in and taking plays from Singletary because they are closer in skill set and Singletary is better and should be on the field.

[machine gun kelly]

I’ve been thinking all year we should sit Gore, and activate Yeldon.  He’s more dynamic and happy Gore hit 3rd in rushing which will pretty assure him first ballot HOF, but it’s time.

 

Yeldon is like almost another WR out there with wiggle.  I don’t love the guy, but he’s shown at times better or more versatile than Gore. Yes, Gore has made some tough yards, but it’s not enough.  I agree with others as I’ve said on other threads, let Gore retire, find a battering ram, and keep Yeldon as a change up.

[Solomon Grundy]

8 hours ago, TheProcess said:

Gore is no world beater, but should be active. He’s a reliable, steady presence if we get a lead. It’s Senorise Perry that should be sat down. Yeldon offers more to the offense. I refuse to think he also can’t run down the dang field to make a special teams tackle or watch them fair catch.

 

But, a thumper, bruising back should be on our off season wish list. A compliment to motor would go a long way. 

How about deactivating Lee Smith instead? At least Perry contribute on special teams. 

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

Yeldon showed his issue in camp fumbling, but the biggest reason to keep Yeldon away  is what we saw yesterday once again.  Yeldon cannot pass block at all.  Both Gore and by extension his protege Singletary are much better at picking up free rushers.  
 

Yeldon gives you pass catching, but can’t block - so again you are putting him in and taking plays from Singletary because they are closer in skill set and Singletary is better and should be on the field.

Instead of keeping him in to pass block, use him in the pass pattern? 

I'd like to have Gore for the end of games when we're winding down the clock

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

There is a REASON Yeldon has been a healthy scratch.

 

I don't know why he's even on the team.  

[Matt_In_NH]

Yes the Bills could have kept McCoy, no one argues against that.  However, it is the job of the GM and staff to evaluate the value based on what the player brings to the table.   The 6.5 million is better spent this offseason or possibly extending a current play and it will get used.   Whatever happens with this team this year, the decision to move on from McCoy does not move the needle much one way or the other.

 

What does move the needle is finding a way to beat cover 0, pass protecting better and hitting some deep balls.

Edited December 9, 2019 by mattynh

[HardyBoy]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

There is a REASON Yeldon has been a healthy scratch.

 

I don't know why he's even on the team.  

 

Because you don't let a top 50 rb go in the middle of the season. Likely wouldn't make it that far through waivers, but can you imagine if the Pats got him right now.

[badassgixxer05]

I cringe every time I see Gore out there. Especially at the start of a drive. Singletary has shown he is way more talented and better option at this point. I'm fine with Gore giving him a breather after a big run, but to start a drive!? Its just stupid to me. The Defense was smiling everytime we put Gore out there yesterday as Singletary was gashing them up pretty good.

[DRA3196]

I have no problem with Gore because of his intangibles to the team. Yeldon has been given opportunity and done nothing with it. Although Singletary is nice, we could not take advantage of outside running yesterday because we did not have the speed on the field.

[GunnerBill]

Yeldon is rubbish.

[Blank Stare]

48 minutes ago, the skycap said:

How about deactivating Lee Smith instead? At least Perry contribute on special teams. 

Then where would our customary false starts or holdings come from? It’s hard to replace what Lee Smith brings to this offense. 

[TPS]

These threads (this one, Roberts, Duke, and others) show the Bills still have some work to do on the roster.  They have some weaknesses that are exposed against good teams. Despite that, they still had a good chance to win that game.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

no they’re pretty apparent - he fumbles

 

8 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Yeldon- 6 fumbles, 656 touches. One fumble per 109 touches.

 

Gore- 45 fumbles, 3,997 touches. One fumble per 88 touches.

 

What's apparent JoPo Gore's a higher fumble risk than Yeldon.

 

 

Yeah the fumble tag for Yeldon is a persistent fallacy here on TSW.  Just put the guy in and see what happens.  Couldn't be worse than what they got now as far as offensive fire power.

[racketmaster]

Gore was a nice story to start season but last 6 games: 55 carries for 136 yard (2.47 ypc). He also offers little to no threat in the receiving game. If Singletary goes down in a game it would be much better to have Yeldon step in rather than lean on Gore. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

7 hours ago, motorj said:

yelodon's also horrrible a pass blocking

 

More horrible than Knox?

[298Woody]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said:

Make active: Yeldon & Duke!

Make inactive: Any 2 of... DiMarco, Perry, Kroft, Lee.

I don't make Gore inactive, there are others less consequential options. 

Add Sweeney to the active list. He is a big target and might have better hands. If Knox doesn't improve his drops he will be throwing a lot of money away because he has the potential to be great and tight ends are becoming the hot thing these days.

 

[Kirby Jackson]

I’d rather see Yeldon get those snaps. Get him the ball in the flat.

[Chandler#81]

Quoting a classic Xmas song, we’ll have to muddle through somehow. Remember who’s on the PS? The British Bulldog! Power, Speed & a meanstreak! 20+ TDs! League by Storm!

 

Next Year!

[Rocbillsfan1]

Singletary should play the role Sony Michel does in NE and yeldon the role of white. Maybe keep gore activated in case of emergency but that’s it he’s pretty much toast. 

[ogham26]

4 hours ago, DRA3196 said:

I have no problem with Gore because of his intangibles to the team. Yeldon has been given opportunity and done nothing with it. Although Singletary is nice, we could not take advantage of outside running yesterday because we did not have the speed on the field.

 

what opportunity has yeldon been given and done nothing with it?  the patriots struggled to stop him when allen threw it to him in space.

[atlbillsfan1975]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’d rather see Yeldon get those snaps. Get him the ball in the flat.

Yep.

Yeldon releasing to the flats early in a few games and then turning it up field later for a big gain. Yeldon is by far the best pass catching back the Bills have. The runs Gore is getting Yeldon could make the same yards.

Time to do what’s best for the team and sit Gore. 

[John from Riverside]

I get the arguement on Yeldon because he can catch

 

but his ball security literally could cost us games...that is why Gore is playing.

 

The backup running back answer is not on the team at this time.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

18 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I get the arguement on Yeldon because he can catch

 

but his ball security literally could cost us games...that is why Gore is playing.

 

The backup running back answer is not on the team at this time.

 

 

 

This has been disproven already.

[The Frankish Reich]

On 12/9/2019 at 6:24 AM, GunnerBill said:

Yeldon is rubbish.

No he isn't. I wish he'd been used more early in the season when Singletary was out.

But now that Singletary is back, and is showing that he is very useful in the passing game as well as being the feature runner, Yeldon is unnecessary. Same thing as Knox stealing Kroft's playing time. These are good developments, not bad! Our 3rd and 4th round draft picks are contributing immediately, making those insurance policy veteran signings irrelevant. They won't be back next year, and that money can be used elsewhere.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No he isn't. I wish he'd been used more early in the season when Singletary was out.

But now that Singletary is back, and is showing that he is very useful in the passing game as well as being the feature runner, Yeldon is unnecessary. Same thing as Knox stealing Kroft's playing time. These are good developments, not bad! Our 3rd and 4th round draft picks are contributing immediately, making those insurance policy veteran signings irrelevant. They won't be back next year, and that money can be used elsewhere.

 

Nah, Yeldon sucks.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/8/2019 at 10:46 PM, wvbillsfan said:

Agree. Why can’t Lee Smith do what Dimarco does?

 

Um, because he physically just can't?  Lee Smith runs like a busted mower in high grass.  Dimarco isn't Hayden Hurst, but he has had a couple nice runs and he gets downfield fast on teams.