Thurman#1 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, KayAdams said: That's just it. Different era, different rules, different statistical expectations. Turnovers in general were more prolific in the old days. For example: look up the interception rates of Kemp, Ferguson, Kelly, etc... all QB busts, right? Yup. In Cribbs' rookie year, NFL teams averaged 30.5 fumbles per season. Whereas last year, teams averaged around 19.75 fumbles per season. Those were different times. Defenders were allowed to do pretty much everything not involving automatic weapons. Edited November 27, 2019 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, DRA3196 said: To answer your question regarding if I think That McDermott is better than Chuck Knox. I do. Simply by comparing their win/loss records after 2 full seasons and 11 games in Buffalo. Knox's record is 20 wins 23 losses no playoff appearance through the first two seasons. McDermott has a 23 wins and 20 loss record with 1 playoff appearance. Knox's body of work is greater than McDermott's up to this point, simply because he has been a HC longer and he had some great seasons with the Rams. But when comparing their time with the Bills. I believe that McDermott is a better coach. as a side note. I also believe that we have more talent now on this team then what was on the team during Cribbs early years with the Bills. But that is comparing apples to oranges. Since The era's are so different. But for that time there was a lot of talent on the team when Joe was drafted. McDermott is better than Ground Chuck? How many title games did Knox take the Rams and Seahawks to? The guy turned around 3 separate moribund franchises while never having a great QB. And Knox succeeded in Buffalo despite a lousy, meddling owner in an era when it was harder to turn teams around. McBeane took over a .500 franchise with a decent roster of talent and were given autonomy and a blank check in free agency to do whatever they wanted here. By contrast the organization Knox inherited had the #1 overall pick in hand from the OJ trade and Ralph refused to pay the guy and he signed with Montreal LOL. It was a constant struggle between Ralph and the FO. IMO Knox is by far the best real football coach Buffalo has ever had. Marv Levy was a student teacher compared to Knox. I hope McD gets there but at this point it's an absurd comparison. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: How fantastic can you be if you fumbled 44 times? Dude would have been out of the league in a year in today's era. Umm...6 fumbles lost. Different rules, no replay,.. and sorry, it was a much tougher game then. Cribbs and Roger Craig kind of pioneered the dual threat running back idea. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I like.Devin is a poor mans Shady better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Stallions said: WOW - what a comment! Absolutely dumb! how so ? Cribbs signed a contract with the USFL while under contract to the NFL he was named Papermate Man of the Year by the equivalent of The Onion at the time. read and learn a little before you call people dumb, doubles down on your lack of intelligence, kiddo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Sign Cribbs now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundancer Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 There's no 5th Day of Christmas without Joe Cribbs. Singeltary has a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwater10 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 7 hours ago, NewEra said: Cribbs was a special running back and in another league than Singletary. Career NFL stats are little indication how good Cribbs was Complete agreement with this. Cribbs was an incredible back. I like Singletary a lot. Joe Cribbs was truly a special back. Give me Cribbs any day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyguy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Just wish they would have given Cribbs the ball up the middle on third down in San Diego. A first down there would have won the game for us. Edited November 27, 2019 by wnyguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mickey Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think that we have to realize that the emotional stress of Thanksgiving dinners can lead some to go on a days long bender to cope with the stress. In that light, let us be kind to the OP in this thread and just forget he ever wrote this and not hold it against him in the future. Let he who has not got through turkey day in an alcoholic stupor cast the first snarky reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Cribs and Singeltary have very different running styles. Cribbs was a glider with exceptional vision and speed. Singeltary is start and stop, quick change of direction and acceleration, low center of gravity. His style is is actually reminiscent of Barry Sanders. Not quite as sudden as Sanders was. No one is. But the same running style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Buftex said: Umm...6 fumbles lost. Different rules, no replay,.. and sorry, it was a much tougher game then. Cribbs and Roger Craig kind of pioneered the dual threat running back idea. I looked at the stats and one year Cribbs averaged 15.1 yards per reception on 40 catches....that is unbelievable for a running back...many WRs don't even average that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Cribbs also returned punts for the Bills. I remember him trying to fair catch one against the Jets his rookie year. With his head and hand up to catch the ball, the gunner from the Jets stuck his helmet right on his chinstrap at full spreed. For some reason he may have fumbled it. I can't remember if he there was a penalty called, but just for a stories sake lets just say it wasn't called. Edited November 27, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, njbuff said: If you wanna compare DS to a RB from the 80’s............ Joe Morris is the better comparison. Excellent comparison. 11 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: Cribs and Singeltary have very different running styles. Cribbs was a glider with exceptional vision and speed. Singeltary is start and stop, quick change of direction and acceleration, low center of gravity. His style is is actually reminiscent of Barry Sanders. Not quite as sudden as Sanders was. No one is. But the same running style. Singletary is like Sanders in the same way that a single engine Cessna is like an F-16. Yes, they both fly and can carry a passenger. Don't get me wrong I like Singletary but let's not get carried away here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Singletary is going to be special.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) I think we're seeing a bit of generation divide here. To you young guys -- everybody in Bills-land loves Singletary; he could really develop into a special back. But Joe Cribbs was absolute dynamite. To my mind, he was the original dual-threat running back, presaging by a decade the Thurmon Thomas/Marshall Faulk hybrid backs. Cribbs was a shifty-smooth-strong runner with amazing hands and superb route-running skills. If a defense was foolish enough to try to cover him with a linebacker, Cribbs would absolutely kill them. The Bills had a lot of great offensive weapons in the early 80s, but Cribbs was the original "motor". That said, keep it rolling, Devin!! ? Quick edit -- lest anybody think I was shortchanging Singletary -- check highlights for his fantastic blitz-pickup block on Josh's TD pass to Cole Beasley last Sunday. Singletary totally stones the full-tilt linebacker to give Josh the clean pocket; a real veteran-looking play there. Edited November 27, 2019 by Stranded in Boston 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, Locomark said: He better be better than Cribbs!! Cribbs was hot for 3 years and than was pretty much a non factor after age 25. We need Devin to be a factor for at least 7–10 years. Just wondering, how old are you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Stranded in Boston said: I think we're seeing a bit of generation divide here. To you young guys -- everybody in Bills-land loves Singletary; he could really develop into a special back. But Joe Cribbs was absolute dynamite. To my mind, he was the original dual-threat running back, presaging by a decade the Thurmon Thomas/Marshall Faulk hybrid backs. Cribbs was a shifty-smooth-strong runner with amazing hands and superb route-running skills. If a defense was foolish enough to try to cover him with a linebacker, Cribbs would absolutely kill them. The Bills had a lot of great offensive weapons in the early 80s, but Cribbs was the original "motor". That said, keep it rolling, Devin!! ? Quick edit -- lest anybody think I was shortchanging Singletary -- check highlights for his fantastic blitz-pickup block on Josh's TD pass to Cole Beasley last Sunday. Singletary totally stones the full-tilt linebacker to give Josh the clean pocket; a real veteran-looking play there. It's hard to even compare RB's from then to now. If you are a RB now you probably weren't going to be great anywhere else or your handlers would have moved you to defense or WR etc.. where the money is. Back in Cribbs day the 3rd most talented player on the team might have been the 3rd string RB. The talent gravitated toward the RB position because that's where the glory and the dollars were then. Nowadays someone with Cribbs body and skillset would probably be a stud CB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I loved Joe Cribbs back in the day! Too bad he defected to the USFL. I also liked Roland Hooks and Robb Riddick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 His TD highlights on YouTube shows how good he was. He even had a rookie named Bruce Smith lead block for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 19 hours ago, finn said: Singletary reminds me more of Thurman Thomas. Same low center of gravity, shiftiness, patience, and knack for repositioning his feet under his body. Neither had/have breakaway speed, both adept catching the ball, although Thurman probably was better in that respect. He was also three inches taller. Same weight, though. The coaches seem concerned Singletary can't handle a full load, but he had a million carries in college, and he has plenty of weight on that short body. Tough to tackle. A promising back. I felt the same way about his stature and durability but after him seeing him move a pile of DTs five or six yards downfield before they could bring him down I have to say I am impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haslett_Stomp Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) Watching those highlights sure brought back some memories. Cribbs, Fergie, Curtis Brown, Frank Lewis, Jerry Butler, even Phil Vilipiano with that weird padding around his neck... I loved watching those guys as a kid. Edited November 27, 2019 by Haslett_Stomp 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Joe Cribbs was a fun player to watch. It was too bad he became a malcontent in only his second year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 19 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Yup. In Cribbs' rookie year, NFL teams averaged 30.5 fumbles per season. Whereas last year, teams averaged around 19.75 fumbles per season. Those were different times. Defenders were allowed to do pretty much everything not involving automatic weapons. 19 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Yup. In Cribbs' rookie year, NFL teams averaged 30.5 fumbles per season. Whereas last year, teams averaged around 19.75 fumbles per season. Those were different times. Defenders were allowed to do pretty much everything not involving automatic weapons. Defenders could use their elbows and helmets as weapons. And, no replay to see if a knee was down before the fumble! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Haslett_Stomp said: Watching those highlights sure brought back some memories. Cribbs, Fergie, Curtis Brown, Frank Lewis, Jerry Butler, even Phil Vilipiano with that weird padding around his neck... I loved watching those guys as a kid. I loved Ferguson's quick release, almost a wrist throw that was deadly accurate! 1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said: Joe Cribbs was a fun player to watch. It was too bad he became a malcontent in only his second year. So true. Money got in the way of his career. And, Ralph didn't like that crap at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 22 hours ago, DRA3196 said: To answer your question regarding if I think That McDermott is better than Chuck Knox. I do. Simply by comparing their win/loss records after 2 full seasons and 11 games in Buffalo. Knox's record is 20 wins 23 losses no playoff appearance through the first two seasons. McDermott has a 23 wins and 20 loss record with 1 playoff appearance. Knox's body of work is greater than McDermott's up to this point, simply because he has been a HC longer and he had some great seasons with the Rams. But when comparing their time with the Bills. I believe that McDermott is a better coach. as a side note. I also believe that we have more talent now on this team then what was on the team during Cribbs early years with the Bills. But that is comparing apples to oranges. Since The era's are so different. But for that time there was a lot of talent on the team when Joe was drafted. crazy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: Joe Cribbs was a fun player to watch. It was too bad he became a malcontent in only his second year. By malcontent you mean not satisfied with his contract? Funny how every great player the Bills had under Ralph from 1960-1990......including all of their recently inducted HOF'ers....... was at some point a "malcontent" then. Ralph needed a perfect storm of belief that the talent could win a SB and a HC/GM who were good at kissing his ass to get him to be committed to winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComradeKayAdams Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Stallions said: I loved Ferguson's quick release, almost a wrist throw that was deadly accurate! So true. Money got in the way of his career. And, Ralph didn't like that crap at all. Ralph didn't like paying his employees what they were worth. This is the main reason why the Bills never accomplished much from the late 60's to the mid-80's. Saban and Knox had the competence to build teams that could have potentially competed with the Dolphins, Raiders, and Steelers of that era. They just needed the financial backing. And even if you disagree with that strong statement, you should concede that this franchise should not have fallen to FIVE 1-win or 2-win seasons in an 18-year time span (1968-85). That's all on miserly Ralph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallions Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, KayAdams said: Ralph didn't like paying his employees what they were worth. This is the main reason why the Bills never accomplished much from the late 60's to the mid-80's. Saban and Knox had the competence to build teams that could have potentially competed with the Dolphins, Raiders, and Steelers of that era. They just needed the financial backing. And even if you disagree with that strong statement, you should concede that this franchise should not have fallen to FIVE 1-win or 2-win seasons in an 18-year time span (1968-85). That's all on miserly Ralph. I lived through those years and agree with your assessment. It was embarrassing but the fans still showed up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 9:13 PM, NewEra said: I don’t see one similarity in their running style. Literally not one And you’re serious? Cribbs was pretty special. More special than most of this threads contributors realize. Sad that this isn’t known on a Bills board. Yep. I see this all the time. We forget how good some former players were! We should be thrilled if we got the late 2019 version of Joe Cribbs in the 3rd round. He had about 1700 yards from scrimmage on 2 occasions in his Bills career. Then again, I've seen people say that Josh Allen should be (not "could be") far better than Steve McNair or Donovan McNabb. If these people are too young to remember, I understand. But often they're not ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 7:13 PM, DRA3196 said: Motor is playing with a lot more talent around him and a competent coaching staff. Same thing can't be said for Cribbs. Jerry Butler and Frank Lewis would like a word with you. Chuck Knox wasn't competent? On 11/26/2019 at 6:33 PM, Alphadawg7 said: I feel like this thread has really set the bar low for Singletary. He has much more potential than Joe Cribbs. Joe Cribbs could ball. Low bar? ??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Cribbs was really special and for a few years the Bills were run to watch with Cribbs , Ferguson, Lewis and Butler. Seems like a lifetime ago Heck its been 25 years since we were on tv on Thanksgiving Day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 10:26 PM, njbuff said: If you wanna compare DS to a RB from the 80’s............ Joe Morris is the better comparison. Good comparison. But Morris was more of a pounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Cribbs was really special and for a few years the Bills were run to watch with Cribbs , Ferguson, Lewis and Butler. Seems like a lifetime ago Heck its been 25 years since we were on tv on Thanksgiving Day They were fun to watch.........and it seems like a lifetime because it's nearly 2 generations ago.? Our standards have been lowered to the point of pathetic offensively. Looking forward to hopefully many years of good/great offensive teams over the next decade or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Good comparison. But Morris was more of a pounder. Singletary could pound it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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