Greg Roman will be an NFL HC

[Mikie2times]

I don't remember the general thoughts on Roman when we brought him on. Too much discussion over Tyrod and Rex at the time. What I do remember was some of the "This is a passing league comments". I remember fans thinking Roman was past his time. 

 

As we all know the league changes. Perhaps Roman was a bit past his time a few years ago, perhaps he was ahead of it? I think many coaches will look at what Baltimore is doing and say hey, I'm not going to try and find the Bill Walsh 1 in 50 QB anymore. Why should I? Who can I get that is an athletic passer/runner, develop an outstanding run game and stack the defense. If that's your model who has a better history of executing it than Roman? His level of success is rather absurd, perhaps constantly undervalued during an era where the running game was all but dead. 

 

His two years here we finished in the top 15 in points scored. Last time we did that in two consecutive years was 1995 and 1996.

 

He was with the 49ers prior, 3 straight years they finished top 15 in points scored. Last time they accomplished that was 2001, 2002, and 2003. They also went to two NFC championships and one Super Bowl during that time. 

 

Now with Baltimore, leading the league in points scored and certainly looking poised to go on a deep playoff run. 

 

I always loved this guys offense. He has done some great things with Kaep and Taylor, and some down right stupid things with Lamar. Lamar is a rare talent, I understand that. But he didn't exactly fail with less.  

 

Edited November 21, 2019 by KzooMike

[unclepete]

I think he will too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up taking Anthony Lynn’s job if they decide to move on in San Diego. They’d already have a bridge qb in Tyrod to groom a future franchise guy if they decide to draft a mobile qb. 

[Codyny13]

He was and still is considered a genius when it comes to coordinating a running game. Not a shock that he’s able to do what he does with Lamar, after what he was able to do with a much lesser Tyrod.

[Bangarang]

He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC.

[Big Turk]

The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach.

 

Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position.

 

This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization.

Edited November 21, 2019 by matter2003

[whatdrought]

I would imagine wherever he goes becomes a prime landing spot for Cam and/or Jalen Hurts. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by whatdrought

[Mikie2times]

11 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC.

 

9 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach.

 

Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position.

 

This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization.

Title says he will be a HC. I agree he's better served as an OC but somebody will pursue him for a HC role soon. Even while thinking he would be a much better OC vs HC, I wouldn't have a problem with the hire. I don't see evidence from most converted OC's and DC's that they have some superior level of HC ability. Most fail in that spot, NFL is littered with them. At least he has a very clear plan. About as decisive in what he wants to do and accomplish as any coordinator in the league. He knows the path to accomplish it. He knows how to teach it. He knows the players he needs and he can get those players. This all pertaining to offense which makes him even more appealing. 99% of the rest of leagues OC's have a requirement that most teams never find (Excellent passing QB).   

Edited November 21, 2019 by KzooMike

[Saint Doug]

I have absolutely zero doubt he will be a HC next year. What he has done has been nothing shorter of miraculous. Genius. Will he be a successful HC, I have no clue. Maybe, maybe not. 

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC.

Based off what?

 

I give Harbaugh credit as he basically bet his job by reinventing his team.

[Boca BIlls]

I think people realize by now it isn't Roman... It's Jackson.

[RussellDopeland]

And Roman will emulate Marty Mornhinweg in the process. 

[Orlando Tim]

He has certainly improved since leaving Buffalo and if he makes it to HC I hope he does well. I dislike Marrone but have no issues with him and beleive he wanted buffalo to do well.

[Phil The Thrill]

59 minutes ago, KzooMike said:

I don't remember the general thoughts on Roman when we brought him on. Too much discussion over Tyrod and Rex at the time. What I do remember was some of the "This is a passing league comments". I remember fans thinking Roman was past his time. 

 

As we all know the league changes. Perhaps Roman was a bit past his time a few years ago, perhaps he was ahead of it? I think many coaches will look at what Baltimore is doing and say hey, I'm not going to try and find the Bill Walsh 1 in 50 QB anymore. Why should I? Who can I get that is an athletic passer/runner, develop an outstanding run game and stack the defense. If that's your model who has a better history of executing it than Roman? His level of success is rather absurd, perhaps constantly undervalued during an era where the running game was all but dead. 

 

His two years here we finished in the top 15 in points scored. Last time we did that in two consecutive years was 1995 and 1996.

 

He was with the 49ers prior, 3 straight years they finished top 15 in points scored. Last time they accomplished that was 2001, 2002, and 2003. They also went to two NFC championships and one Super Bowl during that time. 

 

Now with Baltimore, leading the league in points scored and certainly looking poised to go on a deep playoff run. 

 

I always loved this guys offense. He has done some great things with Kaep and Taylor, and some down right stupid things with Lamar. Lamar is a rare talent, I understand that. But he didn't exactly fail with less.  

 

I liked Roman a lot and always thought he was the scapegoat for a very underachieving Bills team.

 

With that being said, I’m not sold that he would be a great Hc

[billsfan1959]

21 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

I think people realize by now it isn't Roman... It's Jackson.

Roman is an excellent coordinator and is a big part of getting the most out of Jackson’s talents.

[Bangarang]

48 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Based off what?

 

I give Harbaugh credit as he basically bet his job by reinventing his team.

Just a gut feeling. 

[Mikie2times]

18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Roman is an excellent coordinator and is a big part of getting the most out of Jackson’s talents.

Right....how many teams would have asked Lamar to stop running. Learn how to be a NFL quarterback. This guy did the same thing with Kaep and Tyrod. Again, not nearly the talent of Lamar. But he’s got a special ability in the run game nobody else in the league has. In a league with growing pedestrian QB play, that and great defense can do a lot of damage. 

Edited November 21, 2019 by KzooMike

[berg1029]

1 hour ago, KzooMike said:

I don't remember the general thoughts on Roman when we brought him on. Too much discussion over Tyrod and Rex at the time. What I do remember was some of the "This is a passing league comments". I remember fans thinking Roman was past his time. 

 

As we all know the league changes. Perhaps Roman was a bit past his time a few years ago, perhaps he was ahead of it? I think many coaches will look at what Baltimore is doing and say hey, I'm not going to try and find the Bill Walsh 1 in 50 QB anymore. Why should I? Who can I get that is an athletic passer/runner, develop an outstanding run game and stack the defense. If that's your model who has a better history of executing it than Roman? His level of success is rather absurd, perhaps constantly undervalued during an era where the running game was all but dead. 

 

His two years here we finished in the top 15 in points scored. Last time we did that in two consecutive years was 1995 and 1996.

 

He was with the 49ers prior, 3 straight years they finished top 15 in points scored. Last time they accomplished that was 2001, 2002, and 2003. They also went to two NFC championships and one Super Bowl during that time. 

 

Now with Baltimore, leading the league in points scored and certainly looking poised to go on a deep playoff run. 

 

I always loved this guys offense. He has done some great things with Kaep and Taylor, and some down right stupid things with Lamar. Lamar is a rare talent, I understand that. But he didn't exactly fail with less.  

 

I think the most telling fact is that Kaep and Taylor haven't been able to recreate their success without him.  The dude has put a lot of previously mediocre quarterbacks in a position to succeed.  What we're seeing with LJ now is him acquiring a real talent that matches up well with what he wants to do offensively.  It's a great match

Edited November 21, 2019 by berg1029

[Just Joshin']

He is more experienced than many of the recent hires.

[whatdrought]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach.

 

Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position.

 

This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization.

 

This is a good point... not sure it means Roman can’t do the job, and he will likely get a chance to try, but it’s important to remember that being top dawg is always harder than being a coordinator. Roman is in a place with a great example of that- Harbaugh was a ST coordinator and never a OC or DC. He isn’t an offensive guy, or a defensive guy (though he leans defense based on his history) - he’s just a good manager of people and he knows to surround himself with guys like Roman who make him look good!

[Big Turk]

3 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

This is a good point... not sure it means Roman can’t do the job, and he will likely get a chance to try, but it’s important to remember that being top dawg is always harder than being a coordinator. Roman is in a place with a great example of that- Harbaugh was a ST coordinator and never a OC or DC. He isn’t an offensive guy, or a defensive guy (though he leans defense based on his history) - he’s just a good manager of people and he knows to surround himself with guys like Roman who make him look good!

 

That's the key to success in anything in life as a manager or leader...surround yourself with people who are smarter than you are...unfortunately many people are afraid to do this because they have a big ego, are insecure and think they will take their job...

[BillsFan692]

Our offense was pretty awesome when Roman was here -- it was Tyrod's best season wasn't it? 

Didn't we fire roman after our offense put up like 36 points?

[DallasMac]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Our offense was pretty awesome when Roman was here -- it was Tyrod's best season wasn't it? 

Didn't we fire roman after our offense put up like 36 points?

31.  Fired after an 0 and 2 start.

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach.

 

Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position.

 

This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization.

 

I think you are right. There is so much administrative overhead and distraction that comes with being a HC, trying to find the right personnel to make up your staff and keep them pointed in the right direction. Some make the transition and do well others are better as coordinators who just have to focus on their craft.

[NickelCity]

I like Greg Roman. As has been mentioned, he does what most coordinators should, and designs systems to suit the talent at hand.

[BillsFan692]

1 hour ago, DallasMac said:

31.  Fired after an 0 and 2 start.

Okay but would you fire an OC who just got done putting up 31 points? I mean it made no sense at the time. Considering Tyrod was coming off a pro-bowl season.

Ryan and Whaley are idiots they were trying to save their own stink by canning Roman to placate the fans.

Edited November 21, 2019 by BillsFan692

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I was stoked when we brought him here and pissed that dumb ass rex fired him. Its funny i liked rex defense and offense and he ruined them both, probably why he got rid of Pettine , bc he ran it better.

 

Hard to say how a coordinator will do as a HC, some guys flourish and some are better as coordinators. Hope he gets a shot , time will tell if he is HC material.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, matter2003 said:

The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach.

 

Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position.

 

This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization.

 

I see what you're saying but almost every coach was a coordinator. So there are plenty of successful coordinators that became great head coaches. In football and most businesses you have to pick the second in command and hope they make it, there really isnt another way to pick a HC.

 

 

4 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I would imagine wherever he goes becomes a prime landing spot for Cam and/or Jalen Hurts. 

 

cam is shot as a runner doubt he regains his status as an effective starter.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

He has certainly improved since leaving Buffalo and if he makes it to HC I hope he does well. I dislike Marrone but have no issues with him and beleive he wanted buffalo to do well.

 

Was Rex's OC

 

 

[Scott7975]

He might be but I don't think he will make a very good head coach.

[H2o]

Hope he's not dumb enough to take the Redskins job. That could be a career killer. 

[HOUSE]

9 hours ago, Bangarang said:

He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC.

BINGO

[eball]

Roman has been interviewing for HC jobs for at least five years.  He's a really smart guy and he will probably get his chance soon.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, DallasMac said:

31.  Fired after an 0 and 2 start.

I think it was ‘under the bus throwing time’, and Fat Dumb Brother Defensive Coach wouldn’t fit.

[The Jokeman]

8 hours ago, DallasMac said:

31.  Fired after an 0 and 2 start.

It be ironic if he replaces Lynn as HC of the Chargers. 

[colin]

i've kind of studied roman ever since he started at SF.  he made michigan's harbaugh look a lot better than he is IMO.

 

his O is borderline genius in it's blocking and match up schemes.  where it falls short (as all schemes do fall short at some point) is that it is cumbersome and very inflexible.  they have so many formations and packages that you are likely to have pre snap penalties and have very little time to audible and go uptempo.  he may have figured some of that out in baltimore, however.

 

he's kind of like what prime rex ryan was on D, but on O.  complicated, but in roman's case it is complicated to scheme and staff, rather than complicated to execute, which was rex's downfall, and very tailor made to one thing.

 

i'd like to throw in my usual two cents that he does not form anything around his talent, but has a system which he puts talent into.  a coach like billecheck does the same thing, but has enough wrinkles and knows so much about football and his opponent that it seems like he can make anything work, but in reality he's got a philosophy and that's clear in all of his teams.

[vincec]

10 hours ago, KzooMike said:

Right....how many teams would have asked Lamar to stop running. Learn how to be a NFL quarterback. This guy did the same thing with Kaep and Tyrod. Again, not nearly the talent of Lamar. But he’s got a special ability in the run game nobody else in the league has. In a league with growing pedestrian QB play, that and great defense can do a lot of damage. 

Just think of how good Kaepernick and Taylor looked with Roman at OC compared to how they looked elsewhere. Plus, in Buffalo they had the best running game in the league outside of the QB as well. As has been mentioned, being a good coordinator is totally different from being a good HC (see Phillips, Wade) but he knows the running game like nobody else.

4 hours ago, H2o said:

Hope he's not dumb enough to take the Redskins job. That could be a career killer. 

If it was a good job then it wouldn't be available. Someone needs to go in there and turn it into something good.

[auburnbillsbacker]

The Bills under his leadership had a top 10 offense with Tyrod Taylor as the QB.  It was a shame he was fired.  

[H2o]

51 minutes ago, vincec said:

If it was a good job then it wouldn't be available. Someone needs to go in there and turn it into something good.

Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen are the biggest hindrance to anything "good" ever being in Washington. 

[blacklabel]

I have no idea if the dude is HC material but he's a pretty good coordinator. He can design a run game like nobody's business but one of the reasons he's been let go from every OC job he's had is because his passing game designs are pretty easy to defend against. Right now he's kinda got a perfect storm situation going on in Baltimore with Jackson and that tight end group they have. 

[iinii]

13 hours ago, matter2003 said:

The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach.

 

Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position.

 

This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization.

I agree and immediately think of Belichick. He is the CEO and handles the X’s and the O’s. Definite outlier.