Mikie2times Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) I don't remember the general thoughts on Roman when we brought him on. Too much discussion over Tyrod and Rex at the time. What I do remember was some of the "This is a passing league comments". I remember fans thinking Roman was past his time. As we all know the league changes. Perhaps Roman was a bit past his time a few years ago, perhaps he was ahead of it? I think many coaches will look at what Baltimore is doing and say hey, I'm not going to try and find the Bill Walsh 1 in 50 QB anymore. Why should I? Who can I get that is an athletic passer/runner, develop an outstanding run game and stack the defense. If that's your model who has a better history of executing it than Roman? His level of success is rather absurd, perhaps constantly undervalued during an era where the running game was all but dead. His two years here we finished in the top 15 in points scored. Last time we did that in two consecutive years was 1995 and 1996. He was with the 49ers prior, 3 straight years they finished top 15 in points scored. Last time they accomplished that was 2001, 2002, and 2003. They also went to two NFC championships and one Super Bowl during that time. Now with Baltimore, leading the league in points scored and certainly looking poised to go on a deep playoff run. I always loved this guys offense. He has done some great things with Kaep and Taylor, and some down right stupid things with Lamar. Lamar is a rare talent, I understand that. But he didn't exactly fail with less. Edited November 21, 2019 by KzooMike 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I think he will too. I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up taking Anthony Lynn’s job if they decide to move on in San Diego. They’d already have a bridge qb in Tyrod to groom a future franchise guy if they decide to draft a mobile qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 He was and still is considered a genius when it comes to coordinating a running game. Not a shock that he’s able to do what he does with Lamar, after what he was able to do with a much lesser Tyrod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach. Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position. This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization. Edited November 21, 2019 by matter2003 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) I would imagine wherever he goes becomes a prime landing spot for Cam and/or Jalen Hurts. Edited November 21, 2019 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC. 9 minutes ago, matter2003 said: The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach. Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position. This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization. Title says he will be a HC. I agree he's better served as an OC but somebody will pursue him for a HC role soon. Even while thinking he would be a much better OC vs HC, I wouldn't have a problem with the hire. I don't see evidence from most converted OC's and DC's that they have some superior level of HC ability. Most fail in that spot, NFL is littered with them. At least he has a very clear plan. About as decisive in what he wants to do and accomplish as any coordinator in the league. He knows the path to accomplish it. He knows how to teach it. He knows the players he needs and he can get those players. This all pertaining to offense which makes him even more appealing. 99% of the rest of leagues OC's have a requirement that most teams never find (Excellent passing QB). Edited November 21, 2019 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I have absolutely zero doubt he will be a HC next year. What he has done has been nothing shorter of miraculous. Genius. Will he be a successful HC, I have no clue. Maybe, maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, Bangarang said: He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC. Based off what? I give Harbaugh credit as he basically bet his job by reinventing his team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I think people realize by now it isn't Roman... It's Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussellDopeland Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 And Roman will emulate Marty Mornhinweg in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 He has certainly improved since leaving Buffalo and if he makes it to HC I hope he does well. I dislike Marrone but have no issues with him and beleive he wanted buffalo to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 59 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I don't remember the general thoughts on Roman when we brought him on. Too much discussion over Tyrod and Rex at the time. What I do remember was some of the "This is a passing league comments". I remember fans thinking Roman was past his time. As we all know the league changes. Perhaps Roman was a bit past his time a few years ago, perhaps he was ahead of it? I think many coaches will look at what Baltimore is doing and say hey, I'm not going to try and find the Bill Walsh 1 in 50 QB anymore. Why should I? Who can I get that is an athletic passer/runner, develop an outstanding run game and stack the defense. If that's your model who has a better history of executing it than Roman? His level of success is rather absurd, perhaps constantly undervalued during an era where the running game was all but dead. His two years here we finished in the top 15 in points scored. Last time we did that in two consecutive years was 1995 and 1996. He was with the 49ers prior, 3 straight years they finished top 15 in points scored. Last time they accomplished that was 2001, 2002, and 2003. They also went to two NFC championships and one Super Bowl during that time. Now with Baltimore, leading the league in points scored and certainly looking poised to go on a deep playoff run. I always loved this guys offense. He has done some great things with Kaep and Taylor, and some down right stupid things with Lamar. Lamar is a rare talent, I understand that. But he didn't exactly fail with less. I liked Roman a lot and always thought he was the scapegoat for a very underachieving Bills team. With that being said, I’m not sold that he would be a great Hc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 21 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: I think people realize by now it isn't Roman... It's Jackson. Roman is an excellent coordinator and is a big part of getting the most out of Jackson’s talents. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 48 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Based off what? I give Harbaugh credit as he basically bet his job by reinventing his team. Just a gut feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted November 21, 2019 Author Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Roman is an excellent coordinator and is a big part of getting the most out of Jackson’s talents. Right....how many teams would have asked Lamar to stop running. Learn how to be a NFL quarterback. This guy did the same thing with Kaep and Tyrod. Again, not nearly the talent of Lamar. But he’s got a special ability in the run game nobody else in the league has. In a league with growing pedestrian QB play, that and great defense can do a lot of damage. Edited November 21, 2019 by KzooMike 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, KzooMike said: I don't remember the general thoughts on Roman when we brought him on. Too much discussion over Tyrod and Rex at the time. What I do remember was some of the "This is a passing league comments". I remember fans thinking Roman was past his time. As we all know the league changes. Perhaps Roman was a bit past his time a few years ago, perhaps he was ahead of it? I think many coaches will look at what Baltimore is doing and say hey, I'm not going to try and find the Bill Walsh 1 in 50 QB anymore. Why should I? Who can I get that is an athletic passer/runner, develop an outstanding run game and stack the defense. If that's your model who has a better history of executing it than Roman? His level of success is rather absurd, perhaps constantly undervalued during an era where the running game was all but dead. His two years here we finished in the top 15 in points scored. Last time we did that in two consecutive years was 1995 and 1996. He was with the 49ers prior, 3 straight years they finished top 15 in points scored. Last time they accomplished that was 2001, 2002, and 2003. They also went to two NFC championships and one Super Bowl during that time. Now with Baltimore, leading the league in points scored and certainly looking poised to go on a deep playoff run. I always loved this guys offense. He has done some great things with Kaep and Taylor, and some down right stupid things with Lamar. Lamar is a rare talent, I understand that. But he didn't exactly fail with less. I think the most telling fact is that Kaep and Taylor haven't been able to recreate their success without him. The dude has put a lot of previously mediocre quarterbacks in a position to succeed. What we're seeing with LJ now is him acquiring a real talent that matches up well with what he wants to do offensively. It's a great match Edited November 21, 2019 by berg1029 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 He is more experienced than many of the recent hires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach. Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position. This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization. This is a good point... not sure it means Roman can’t do the job, and he will likely get a chance to try, but it’s important to remember that being top dawg is always harder than being a coordinator. Roman is in a place with a great example of that- Harbaugh was a ST coordinator and never a OC or DC. He isn’t an offensive guy, or a defensive guy (though he leans defense based on his history) - he’s just a good manager of people and he knows to surround himself with guys like Roman who make him look good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: This is a good point... not sure it means Roman can’t do the job, and he will likely get a chance to try, but it’s important to remember that being top dawg is always harder than being a coordinator. Roman is in a place with a great example of that- Harbaugh was a ST coordinator and never a OC or DC. He isn’t an offensive guy, or a defensive guy (though he leans defense based on his history) - he’s just a good manager of people and he knows to surround himself with guys like Roman who make him look good! That's the key to success in anything in life as a manager or leader...surround yourself with people who are smarter than you are...unfortunately many people are afraid to do this because they have a big ego, are insecure and think they will take their job... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Our offense was pretty awesome when Roman was here -- it was Tyrod's best season wasn't it? Didn't we fire roman after our offense put up like 36 points? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: Our offense was pretty awesome when Roman was here -- it was Tyrod's best season wasn't it? Didn't we fire roman after our offense put up like 36 points? 31. Fired after an 0 and 2 start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach. Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position. This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization. I think you are right. There is so much administrative overhead and distraction that comes with being a HC, trying to find the right personnel to make up your staff and keep them pointed in the right direction. Some make the transition and do well others are better as coordinators who just have to focus on their craft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I like Greg Roman. As has been mentioned, he does what most coordinators should, and designs systems to suit the talent at hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DallasMac said: 31. Fired after an 0 and 2 start. Okay but would you fire an OC who just got done putting up 31 points? I mean it made no sense at the time. Considering Tyrod was coming off a pro-bowl season. Ryan and Whaley are idiots they were trying to save their own stink by canning Roman to placate the fans. Edited November 21, 2019 by BillsFan692 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I was stoked when we brought him here and pissed that dumb ass rex fired him. Its funny i liked rex defense and offense and he ruined them both, probably why he got rid of Pettine , bc he ran it better. Hard to say how a coordinator will do as a HC, some guys flourish and some are better as coordinators. Hope he gets a shot , time will tell if he is HC material. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, matter2003 said: The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach. Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position. This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization. I see what you're saying but almost every coach was a coordinator. So there are plenty of successful coordinators that became great head coaches. In football and most businesses you have to pick the second in command and hope they make it, there really isnt another way to pick a HC. 4 hours ago, whatdrought said: I would imagine wherever he goes becomes a prime landing spot for Cam and/or Jalen Hurts. cam is shot as a runner doubt he regains his status as an effective starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: He has certainly improved since leaving Buffalo and if he makes it to HC I hope he does well. I dislike Marrone but have no issues with him and beleive he wanted buffalo to do well. Was Rex's OC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 He might be but I don't think he will make a very good head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Hope he's not dumb enough to take the Redskins job. That could be a career killer. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Bangarang said: He strikes me as someone who would be a better coordinator than HC. BINGO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Roman has been interviewing for HC jobs for at least five years. He's a really smart guy and he will probably get his chance soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 7 hours ago, DallasMac said: 31. Fired after an 0 and 2 start. I think it was ‘under the bus throwing time’, and Fat Dumb Brother Defensive Coach wouldn’t fit. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 hours ago, DallasMac said: 31. Fired after an 0 and 2 start. It be ironic if he replaces Lynn as HC of the Chargers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 i've kind of studied roman ever since he started at SF. he made michigan's harbaugh look a lot better than he is IMO. his O is borderline genius in it's blocking and match up schemes. where it falls short (as all schemes do fall short at some point) is that it is cumbersome and very inflexible. they have so many formations and packages that you are likely to have pre snap penalties and have very little time to audible and go uptempo. he may have figured some of that out in baltimore, however. he's kind of like what prime rex ryan was on D, but on O. complicated, but in roman's case it is complicated to scheme and staff, rather than complicated to execute, which was rex's downfall, and very tailor made to one thing. i'd like to throw in my usual two cents that he does not form anything around his talent, but has a system which he puts talent into. a coach like billecheck does the same thing, but has enough wrinkles and knows so much about football and his opponent that it seems like he can make anything work, but in reality he's got a philosophy and that's clear in all of his teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 10 hours ago, KzooMike said: Right....how many teams would have asked Lamar to stop running. Learn how to be a NFL quarterback. This guy did the same thing with Kaep and Tyrod. Again, not nearly the talent of Lamar. But he’s got a special ability in the run game nobody else in the league has. In a league with growing pedestrian QB play, that and great defense can do a lot of damage. Just think of how good Kaepernick and Taylor looked with Roman at OC compared to how they looked elsewhere. Plus, in Buffalo they had the best running game in the league outside of the QB as well. As has been mentioned, being a good coordinator is totally different from being a good HC (see Phillips, Wade) but he knows the running game like nobody else. 4 hours ago, H2o said: Hope he's not dumb enough to take the Redskins job. That could be a career killer. If it was a good job then it wouldn't be available. Someone needs to go in there and turn it into something good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auburnbillsbacker Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 The Bills under his leadership had a top 10 offense with Tyrod Taylor as the QB. It was a shame he was fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 51 minutes ago, vincec said: If it was a good job then it wouldn't be available. Someone needs to go in there and turn it into something good. Dan Snyder and Bruce Allen are the biggest hindrance to anything "good" ever being in Washington. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I have no idea if the dude is HC material but he's a pretty good coordinator. He can design a run game like nobody's business but one of the reasons he's been let go from every OC job he's had is because his passing game designs are pretty easy to defend against. Right now he's kinda got a perfect storm situation going on in Baltimore with Jackson and that tight end group they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 13 hours ago, matter2003 said: The mistake people make is they assume just because you are a great coordinator you will automatically make a great head coach. Nothing is farther from the truth. They require a hugely different skill set. Head coaches need to have a skill set of a CEO and have tons of non football decisions to make. They need to oversee and hold their coordinators and other coaches responsible. X's and O's are far less important than their leadership and ability to hold everyone accountable at the position. This is why so many great coordinators make lousy head coaches. Just because you do a great job with X's and O's doesn't mean you can run an organization. I agree and immediately think of Belichick. He is the CEO and handles the X’s and the O’s. Definite outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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