McDermott Weds Presser: Sullivan asks whether Allen is an improvement over Tyrod

[Coach Tuesday]

Maybe it’s as simple as: it’s been a looooong time since Josh made a special, game-changing play.  Fans are hungry and starting to get impatient.  Need to see some magic soon.

[BringBackOrton]

6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You stated to someone else " Funny you didn’t mention Watson’s OL or RB when he was a rookie."    What was your point?

 

I took it to imply that somehow Watson was great with inferior pieces around him.  Watson's OL had 3 returning quality starters.  His RB when he was a rookie, Lamar Miller, had gained >1000 years the previous year and gained 888 plus doubled his passing yards Watson's rookie year (they put him in space and used him as a check-down more).  He had one of the best WR in the game in Hopkins.

 

And they all knew the system, play terminology, and their roles in those plays, having played in it for years under O'Brian

 

Watson is a great QB.  I'll be ecstatic if Allen approaches as good - he may not.  But to talk as though he had a similar situation in terms of talent and a new system to what Allen has had, well, it's simply not so.

Well the discussion started with Dallas’ OL and RB. Watson’s OL was terrible his rookie year. I believe it was the worst in the NFL. I don’t consider Lamar Miller anything special, at least not by NFL standards. 

 

There are more similarities than differences in Allen’s and Watson’s starts, IMO. Both started the season as the backup, (omg he has no chemistry with the ones!!!!) they both had not so good OL’s, they both took over fringe playoff teams with terrible offenses, (Hop’s numbers aside, the Brocketship was horrific the year prior and they were 31 or 32 in the NFL). 

 

In terms of the things you pointed out, sure. They seem valid on their face. But how much do they really matter for success compared to the actual ability of the QB? Like if you had to rank the reasons why Watson has had success in the NFL, the clear #1 reason would be because he’s actually really good. Paling in comparison would be because DeAndre Hopkins knew what a go route was in BOB’s offense before TC started.

 

And you can cherry pick these reasons all over the NFL. Goff had to learn an entire new offense with entirely new WR’s his second season. So did Lamar Jackson. Carson Wentz’s weapons sucked when he started. Winston has had how many OC’s in his career? How many of Mariota’s weapons have been exchanged?

 

Somehow, despite all of these things, the good QB’s end up being good, and the bad QB’s end up being bad. That’s just really all there is to it.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

It’s hard winning on the nfl... sports media... after getting canned... by the local paper...

 

bravo jerry... take this narrative to the end of the earth to get some web traffic you can point to. 

[london_bills]

Just watched the Dolphins highlights last year. Allen does look good there. There was a comment here saying they want the old josh back.

 

Lots of running in that game from allen, I always see him play better when he runs AS well as passes.

 

Some good catches from zay Jones in there aswell. Shock. 

 

All in all a real lack of consistency. 

[HappyDays]

50 minutes ago, notwoz said:

But I am saying that it was a legitimate question. Because the offense has not shown any marked improvement. 

 

But that wasn't his question. His question was about stats in Tyrod's first 20 games vs Allen's stats in his first 20 games, specifically his yards per game. If you can't see on the face of it why that question is stupid there's no more conversation to be had.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Just watched the Dolphins highlights last year. Allen does look good there. There was a comment here saying they want the old josh back.

 

Lots of running in that game from allen, I always see him play better when he runs AS well as passes.

 

Some good catches from zay Jones in there aswell. Shock. 

 

All in all a real lack of consistency. 

It was one of Zay’s best games 

[US Egg]

SIX AND THREE SUUUCCKKSS !!!!!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was one of Zay’s best games 

 

By some measures, his best game.  He had one other with the same total yards and higher catch % but the Mia game had more yards/target and more ypc

Only two games that broke 70 YPG

[oldmanfan]

37 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Just win baby.

Right back at ya!

[london_bills]

Just watched the browns highlights. Less running from allen than the Dolphins game which I think is good (I think you have to see what you have in him as an 80% passer). Good throws in there, he throws well over the middle. The disappointment of the game tends to go a few days later and you see what's looks like a decent QB in the highlights. The disappointment of continual falling drives and lack of 3rd down conversions was frustrating in the game. Highlights do show potential but the game context is taken away. I thought he was less confident in the browns game compared with how he was in that Dolphins game last year. I don't want it to be the case that the bigger pressure game he is worse in. The Dolphins game last year was not a pressure game in fairness. 

[Punching Bag]

7 hours ago, Koko78 said:

Sullivan always reminds me of this guy:

 

 

He always reminded me of this guy (or maybe the other crank in the booth)

[Maine-iac]

Funny all the hullabaloo.  

McDermott wanted an offense that was his.  Daboll and Allen have a chance to grow together. 

Edited November 14, 2019 by Maine-iac

[The Bills Blog]

This question was strange.

 

But, in general, I support "tough" questions. McDermott, while not outwardly reacting too much, has shown some signs of having thin skin with respect to media relations. Whether it's his rescheduling of his weekly WGR appearance to (seemingly) avoid Schopp after some of their encounters last year, the attempt to avoid issuing a press pass to Sullivan at his new outfit (who knows if McD was involved in this or not), or McD's subtle frustration that you pick up on when Sully asks questions.

[Nextmanup]

1 minute ago, The Bills Blog said:

This question was strange.

 

But, in general, I support "tough" questions. McDermott, while not outwardly reacting too much, has shown some signs of having thin skin with respect to media relations. Whether it's his rescheduling of his weekly WGR appearance to (seemingly) avoid Schopp after some of their encounters last year, the attempt to avoid issuing a press pass to Sullivan at his new outfit (who knows if McD was involved in this or not), or McD's subtle frustration that you pick up on when Sully asks questions.

You're one of the few people I've seen/heard mention the re-scheduling of McDermott's weekly segment with WGR-550.

 

There is zero possibility this has nothing to do with his run-in with Schopp last year.  You know, that awkward situation where Schopp started their segment by asking "So what do you see in Nate Peterman that no one else does?" (LOL!) and culminated in McDermott hanging up the phone on them without saying "goodbye" or "thanks" at the end.

That led to a commercial break and Schopp disappearing from the air for like 1/2 hour.  Bulldog covered and operated a 1 man show, never mentioning anything about Schopp's disappearance.

 

Eventually Schopp rejoined the show and said something like "Well that was interesting" and Bulldog laughed...and neither said anything more or really explained what was meant by that.  Neither ever addressed Schopp's disappearance.  

 

I think I created a thread about it at the time.  One of the more entertaining moments in recent WNY sports radio.

 

I digress, but I agree McDermott has thin skin.  He doesn't know how easy he has it in Buffalo.

 

Most of those guys ask softball leading questions because they are jock sniffers and want to be perceived by the coach as a "football guy" who "knows what he's talking about" and they are attracted to the idea that they are somehow a part of an NFL franchise or at least on the inside with one.  

 

Of that sort, Sal Capaccio is among the worst.

 

 

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

You're one of the few people I've seen/heard mention the re-scheduling of McDermott's weekly segment with WGR-550.

 

There is zero possibility this has nothing to do with his run-in with Schopp last year.  You know, that awkward situation where Schopp started their segment by asking "So what do you see in Nate Peterman that no one else does?" (LOL!) and culminated in McDermott hanging up the phone on them without saying "goodbye" or "thanks" at the end.

That led to a commercial break and Schopp disappearing from the air for like 1/2 hour.  Bulldog covered and operated a 1 man show, never mentioning anything about Schopp's disappearance.

 

Eventually Schopp rejoined the show and said something like "Well that was interesting" and Bulldog laughed...and neither said anything more or really explained what was meant by that.  Neither ever addressed Schopp's disappearance.  

 

I think I created a thread about it at the time.  One of the more entertaining moments in recent WNY sports radio.

 

I digress, but I agree McDermott has thin skin.  He doesn't know how easy he has it in Buffalo.

 

Most of those guys ask softball leading questions because they are jock sniffers and want to be perceived by the coach as a "football guy" who "knows what he's talking about" and they are attracted to the idea that they are somehow a part of an NFL franchise or at least on the inside with one.  

 

Of that sort, Sal Capaccio is among the worst.

 

 

Yeah I remember that whole episode. Mcdermott definitely speaking with schopp off air.

 

Schopp gets alot of flak. I find him somewhat arrogant but good at what he does, he isn't agreeable. 

[MJS]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is really where I am.  There are miles and miles of things that can be critiqued about the team and about Allen right now.

 

Looking at an arbitrary window for Taylor and Allen to compare them and ask that question just seems like working overtime to create controversy.

Especially since McDermott only had Tyrod for a single season as a bridge QB. Why should he care about Tyrod's overall performance as a Bill? We might as well compare Allen to Joe Ferguson or Jim Kelly. Such a comparison is equally as relevant (which is not at all).

[MJS]

25 minutes ago, london_bills said:

Yeah I remember that whole episode. Mcdermott definitely speaking with schopp off air.

 

Schopp gets alot of flak. I find him somewhat arrogant but good at what he does, he isn't agreeable. 

I'm all for asking tough questions. I have no issue with Schopp asking tough questions. My issues with Schopp are:

 

1) He doesn't seem to care about the Bills or football in general.

2) He doesn't seem to like his job and definately doesn't seem to like talking to fans who call in.

3) Half the time he isn't even talking about football. He goes off on stupid tangents (I think this is a biproduct of his lack of interest in the Bills or football)

4) His knowledge of football is lacking. He admits to not even watching the games sometimes.

 

So I think he is not good at his job. He's overly negative and pompous. He doesn't like the Bills or football. I don't see why he even does what he does. He seems smart enough to do something else that he could be passionate about. He serves no purpose as a football radio personality.

[Madbillsfan]

A lot of you guys are soft. 

[Maine-iac]

10 minutes ago, MJS said:

Especially since McDermott only had Tyrod for a single season as a bridge QB. Why should he care about Tyrod's overall performance as a Bill? We might as well compare Allen to Joe Ferguson or Jim Kelly. Such a comparison is equally as relevant (which is not at all).

Whether he cares about Taylor or not he should care about the fact that he took a team that lead the NFL in rushing for 2 straight seasons and scored 23/24 ppg during that stretch and turned it into a team that scores under 20 for two straight going on 3 straight seasons and that's after investing the 7th pick in the draft to replace a two time pro bowl QB.  No matter who's asking it seems like a valid question.  I am on the side of people who think a little more time and probably one more draft and offseason to hopefully get the O-line right and we might turn a corner but I can't blame people for asking the question.

[zonabb]

Haha. I thought this hack crawled away for good. That fact he's still around is both sad and hilarious. Imagine having a) so little skill that you were b) let go from an irrelavant tiny mid market newspaper and c) despite covering major sports couldn't land a job anywhere else of note. I think that's the definition of karma. 

 

Can't imagine that ever happening to Jim Kelley, Milt Northrup, Larry Felser, or any of the classically fair, emotionally disconnect reporters who had talent for writing and reporting about sports without trying to interject themselves into everything (Capaccio, White, Graham, Schopp et al).

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Right back at ya!

 

Thanks. I was responding to your question of it I'd criticize after he throws to 300 yards.

 

I don't care about any of that stuff. I'm results oriented. In other words i want Buffalo to win and I don't care how we do it. But we have lost 2 out of the last 3. QB ALWAYS had the most impact so he gets the most criticism in a loss. Had Josh hit the 3rd and 4 bomb we'd be crowning hi right now.

 

I was also initially responding to someone who i thought was saying Hotrod couldn't hit the long ball.  I believe you share that opinion.

 

I just want to win. I don't care about 300 yard games of upside of any of that stuff. I also don't like baby sitting young QBs on a wing and a prayer they might be good someday.  I'll know Josh can be good when he is good.  In the meantime I hope we keep winning.

 

go BILLS !!

 

 

[Protocal69]

9 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

Imagine how embarrassing your journalism career must be that you need to ask a stupid, useless question that you promote on social media just to get people to talk about how embarrassing your journalism career is.

 

 

Sullivan is the ultimate troll. One listen of his show in the morning with his kiss ass co-host and you would see that Sullivan is about drama under the disguise of journalism. Its sad actually.  

[Protocal69]

56 minutes ago, MJS said:

Especially since McDermott only had Tyrod for a single season as a bridge QB. Why should he care about Tyrod's overall performance as a Bill? We might as well compare Allen to Joe Ferguson or Jim Kelly. Such a comparison is equally as relevant (which is not at all).

Lets not forget that Tyrod in his final season was making about 18 million while Josh is making about couple of million.

[Protocal69]

2 hours ago, london_bills said:

Just watched the browns highlights. Less running from allen than the Dolphins game which I think is good (I think you have to see what you have in him as an 80% passer). Good throws in there, he throws well over the middle. The disappointment of the game tends to go a few days later and you see what's looks like a decent QB in the highlights. The disappointment of continual falling drives and lack of 3rd down conversions was frustrating in the game. Highlights do show potential but the game context is taken away. I thought he was less confident in the browns game compared with how he was in that Dolphins game last year. I don't want it to be the case that the bigger pressure game he is worse in. The Dolphins game last year was not a pressure game in fairness. 

I really think for all this BILLS only take one game at a time talk is just that talk. Just like it was really no pressure in week 17 for Allen it was also no pressure on the BILLS coaching staff to not over coach Allen and allowing him to let it rip.

[wppete]

Mcdermott was like 

 

 

 

 

[Magnum Force]

The one area I would like to see Josh Allen improve in would be hitting his receivers in stride.  His yards after the catch would  increase his total passing yardage. I think this aspect of his game is much more crucial to his growth as a quarterback than improving on his 30 plus yard passes.  This would build his confidence and I think would eventually translate into improved efficiency in his long distance passing. 

Edited November 14, 2019 by Magnum Force

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

He always reminded me of this guy (or maybe the other crank in the booth)

What did @DC Tom (or @Alaska Darin) do to you that they remind you of Jerry Sullivan?

[bru_bills]

 

While stats aren't everything, it's pretty clear that Josh is one of the worst passing QBs in the league right now. Just look at these stats. That's not to say he doesn't have potential, or that he can't fix his issues, but so far this season his production is in line with duds like Trubisky, Mayfield, and Mariota.

Edited November 14, 2019 by bru_bills

[iinii]

10 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

 

Pretty sure you said this-

 

Josh Allen is in over his head as an NFL QB. 

 

He is in over his head. 

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Lets not forget that Tyrod in his final season was making about 18 million while Josh is making about couple of million.

 

You get what you pay for

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Maine-iac said:

Whether he cares about Taylor or not he should care about the fact that he took a team that lead the NFL in rushing for 2 straight seasons and scored 23/24 ppg during that stretch and turned it into a team that scores under 20 for two straight going on 3 straight seasons and that's after investing the 7th pick in the draft to replace a two time pro bowl QB.  No matter who's asking it seems like a valid question.  I am on the side of people who think a little more time and probably one more draft and offseason to hopefully get the O-line right and we might turn a corner but I can't blame people for asking the question.

He wasn't asked about the change in points per game. He was asked about Allen vs Tyrod.

[Dr.Sack]

Allen > Tyrod. 

[Nextmanup]

9 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen > Tyrod. 

Still a bit early to reach a final conclusion, but I would say it is more:

 

Allen ≅ Tyrod

 

 

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm all for asking tough questions. I have no issue with Schopp asking tough questions. My issues with Schopp are:

 

1) He doesn't seem to care about the Bills or football in general.

2) He doesn't seem to like his job and definately doesn't seem to like talking to fans who call in.

3) Half the time he isn't even talking about football. He goes off on stupid tangents (I think this is a biproduct of his lack of interest in the Bills or football)

4) His knowledge of football is lacking. He admits to not even watching the games sometimes.

 

So I think he is not good at his job. He's overly negative and pompous. He doesn't like the Bills or football. I don't see why he even does what he does. He seems smart enough to do something else that he could be passionate about. He serves no purpose as a football radio personality.

You realize his job description is "radio broadcaster" and not "football expert," right?

 

It is funny, b/c I have seen your exact complaints over and over again not only here, but at several Buffalo Sabres boards where they are complaining he is not knowledgable about hockey and spends too much time talking about the Bills and football.

 

LOL.

 

What you and those hockey fans seem to overlook is that he has to try to attract a wide audience and be able to speak about a wide variety of sports topics in general.

 

You ignore things he is great at like Bills trivia, Bills history, NFL historic games, fantasy football/gambling aspects of sports (I hate that stuff myself but I'm sure many listeners love it), solid baseball knowledge, NBA knowledge, etc.

 

If you expect a local sports radio host to get into an Xs and Os discussion on what the Bills are doing wrong on 3rd and long passing downs, you need to adjust your thinking.

 

Very few people want to listen to that sort of detailed, technical analysis of football, even if a majority of this board probably would.

 

This board is a tiny segment of the WNY sports fan in general.

 

You are also failing to distinguish how he treats callers.  He does treat some of them with a degree of disrespect.  That tends to be the dumb ones who make poor arguments, get player/coach names wrong, and are just killing air time.

 

He is very consistently complimentary of callers who are intelligent, make cogent arguments, and add something of value to the show.  There aren't nearly as many of those but hey, this is Buffalo sports radio.  It is what it is.

 

 

 

[Billsman623]

Sullivan is a douche.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Sullivan and Schopp should work together.

 

lets see a guy you know wont be great and isnt even starting vs a guy who has the highest potential and is still very young who has to work on defenses knowing how he plays and get better. 

 

Allen has made tremendous strides on his short to intermediate game, which all the haters were whining about last year, he has regressed on the deep ball which is weird since he was good at it last year. However after yesterday's presser he admitted to being afraid of throwing ints and has been over throwing them, hopefully this realization and McDermott telling the team to play Fearless, he can get back on track here.

 

 

[BobbyC81]

17 hours ago, Casey D said:

The problem is that there is an underlying assumption that there are a boat load of guys out there ready to play QB at a high level in the NFL.  There are not.  If you want to give up on Allen already, what is the next flavor?  There are only a handful of guys who can play QB well in the NFL, way less than 32.  You have to make absolutely sure Allen is not it before moving on.  And he has had no where near enough time yet, no matter how impatient some are.  He is making slow, two steps forward/ one step back progress so far IMO. 

 

And there are several QBs who were thought to be the answer for their teams who have since regressed: Mariota, Goff, Trubisky, Mayfield, Wentz

[skibum]

Tyrod Taller

[Sundancer]

37 minutes ago, ColeB said:

 

And there are several QBs who were thought to be the answer for their teams who have since regressed: Mariota, Goff, Trubisky, Mayfield, Wentz

 

It's almost like you have to be patient with young QBs. 

 

What Allen is not: A disaster. What Allen is also not: Mahomes or Watson. 

 

Let him grow. Many things are better this year. The long ball is not one of them. 

[Mat68]

If Taylor at any point led the league in 4th quarter game winning drives, Redzone efficiency, or 4th quarter Qb rating he very well could still be the QB.