Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I've been giving this some thought. If you were starting from scratch with a football team, where would you begin as GM? Would you go for a quarterback first? Build the lines and go from there? Load up on skill position players and hope for the best? My initial thought is that I'd prioritize positions in this order: OL K/P QB DL CB WR TE RB LB S I think a team with a dominant offensive line and kicking game can get a lot done in terms of ball control and dictating the pace of games, so that's why I would make sure I have those in place before I insert a young quarterback. I could be widely panned as wrong in my thinking, but I'm curious as to what philosophies we have on the board in terms of positional importance. Ultimately, it's about Ws. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 It all starts in the trenches !! On both sides of the ball !! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1. QB 2. LT 3. Pass rusher 4. #1 CB 5. #1 WR 6. C But you always take the superior talent where possible. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. QB 2. LT 3. Pass rusher 4. #1 CB 5. #1 WR 6. C But you always take the superior talent where possible. Absolutely this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, T master said: It all starts in the trenches !! On both sides of the ball !! This^^^. If the O line doesn’t control the line of scrimmage the team is likely to loose. Imo, an above average D combined with a very good O is where it’s at, you have to be able to score more than your opponent, it’s that simple. At present we are barely doing this. Go Bills!!! Edited November 13, 2019 by Don Otreply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Great O and D lines mask problems elsewhere. You get those right and you'll be average most of the time. Throw in stars elsewhere and magic! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 QB is first by a mile and its not even close. LT DE CB But its hard to create a generic list because a lot of times positional importance is based on the type of scheme or system being ran. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Everyone agrees the O-line and then maybe two teams act likes it’s a priority quite amusing every year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 25 minutes ago, T master said: It all starts in the trenches !! On both sides of the ball !! No sorry that's BS. A great QB will win you 9-10 games pretty much on his own(see Peyton Manning). There is no other single position that evens comes close to this level of importance. Yes a good O and D line will help but those are numerous positions you need to fill instead of just one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: 1. QB 2. LT 3. Pass rusher 4. #1 CB 5. #1 WR 6. C But you always take the superior talent where possible. Close to my list: 1. QB 2. Pass Rusher 3. #1 CB 4. LT 5. #1 WR I would also take elite talent anywhere though. You need stars to win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: Everyone agrees the O-line and then maybe two teams act likes it’s a priority quite amusing every year Maybe its not as much a priority as people who don't know football think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, matter2003 said: Maybe its not as much a priority as people who don't know football think? It’s QB and everything else. You are right in that. Nothing else is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Lines. Dominate up front you do pretty well as a football team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s QB and everything else. You are right in that. Nothing else is close. I don't know. If you put Mahomes behind the worst line in football, with no skill position talent to speak of, would he really be successful? Edited November 13, 2019 by Giuseppe Tognarelli 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Prioritizing the kicker and punter over a QB? QB OL Secondary WR RB LB DL TE K P QB is always going to be the most important, but it is also the position you need to be most patient with. Don't just grab the best a available, grab one that will become great and pick up place holders until then. Oline is obviously super important. Then the secondary for me. You can go very far with a good secondary. It will mask problems in other defensive position groups. Dline is not as important to me because coverage, including at the linebacker spot, trumps pressure these days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, matter2003 said: No sorry that's BS. A great QB will win you 9-10 games pretty much on his own(see Peyton Manning). There is no other single position that evens comes close to this level of importance. Yes a good O and D line will help but those are numerous positions you need to fill instead of just one. Well my answer would have been different if the OP would have said position but he said positions plural so that was my reason for my reply, but to reply to you if a QB is running for his life or on his back every play no matter if you are Brady or Manning it won't matter now maybe a Favre or Rogers maybe but a pocket passer is doomed if they have no line to protect them just my humble opinion ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 K/P #2. Stopped there 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I don't know. If you put Mahomes behind the worst line in football, with no skill position talent to speak of, would he really be successful? Doesn't matter. You pounce on a QB that shows evidence of being great no matter where you are in the process, because you might not get another chance to get one. Then you build around him. But yes, if you don't have a good one available, you prioritize other positions and wait patiently until you find one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I don't know. If you put Mahomes behind the worst line in football, with no skill position talent to speak of, would he really be successful? Yes he would win 10 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I don't know. If you put Mahomes behind the worst line in football, with no skill position talent to speak of, would he really be successful? I think he would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, T master said: Well my answer would have been different if the OP would have said position but he said positions plural so that was my reason for my reply, but to reply to you if a QB is running for his life or on his back every play no matter if you are Brady or Manning it won't matter now maybe a Favre or Rogers maybe but a pocket passer is doomed if they have no line to protect them just my humble opinion ... But that's just not true. Luck had terrible lines which caused him to retire due to injuries sustained because of them but he made the playoffs every year. Put this old tired narrative to bed. And close the door on it so it can't come back out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, NewEra said: K/P #2. Stopped there Kickers win games though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 QB LT C RT DE 1 DT 1 CB 1 MLB SS WR 1 LG RG CB 2 DE 2 DT 2 WR 2 TE FS RB 1 OLB OLB WR 3 RB 2 K LS P Cheerleaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Maybe its not as much a priority as people who don't know football think? yes, coaches and GM insist it is a top priority whenever asked I don’t really care enough to delve into the seven levels of deception during sports interviews 19 minutes ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Kickers win games though. Patriots have made it a top priority to have a great kicker for most of the Dynasty Edited November 13, 2019 by row_33 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Not all players at all positions are the same. Manning in his prime is better with a worse line than anyone in the past 5 years. If it's not Manning you need to look at Oline first. This goes to all positions. None are an island Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 QB LT DE's DT's OG/C MLB WR RB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 OL DL LB QB . . . Safeties WR RB TE CB K/P Top four are significantly more important than the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Oh no, you need the BPA. Its like the bible NO PRIORITIES, otherwise you will die 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 ok, let's change it up a bit... if you are building a team and how you would want to allocate *greatness* 24 Players on the field (both sides of ball): Offense: QB, RB, LT, RT, OG, OG, C, WR1, TE, WR2, (your option)last spot could be FB, WR3, RB2, TE2 Defense: DT1, DE1, DE2, MLB1, OLB1, OLB2, Safety1, Safety2, CB1, CB2, (your option 4/3 or 3/4 DEF)last spot DT2 or MLB2 Special Teams: K, P Using the Bell Curve: Elite (1) / All Pro (2) / Solid Starter (3) / Below Avg Player (4) / Barely NFL Caliber (5) / Not Good (6) (The number is just so you can tell if someone is that level, not how many of each for that position). Now, for Every Elite player you have, you have to match with Not Good, All Pro with Barely NFL and solid starter with Below avg player. Example: remember adds up to 24: 2/3/7/7/3/2 For me: Breakdown per position 2 / 3 / 7 / 7 / 3 / 2 QB 1 RB 4 LT 2 RT 3 OG 4 OG 5 C 3 WR1 2 WR2 3 *WR3 6 TE 4 K 4 P 4 4/3 DEF DT1 3 *DT2 5 DE1 1 DE2 3 MLB1 3 OLB1 4 OLB2 5 Safety1 4 Safety2 6 CB1 2 CB2 3 This was interesting... My OLine is the best, but I have an elite QB that hopefully will make some good decisions with an All Pro WR. And on defense I went with an elite DE to pressure the QB and an All pro CB to lock down other teams best WR.but my linebackers, safeties, and special teams suffered. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 QB Edge Rusher WR #1 CB #1 etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 HC QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Follow the old saw that "you build from front to back, from inside to outside." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 QB OL DL CB LB S RB TE WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I've been giving this some thought. If you were starting from scratch with a football team, where would you begin as GM? Would you go for a quarterback first? Build the lines and go from there? Load up on skill position players and hope for the best? My initial thought is that I'd prioritize positions in this order: OL K/P QB DL CB WR TE RB LB S I think a team with a dominant offensive line and kicking game can get a lot done in terms of ball control and dictating the pace of games, so that's why I would make sure I have those in place before I insert a young quarterback. I could be widely panned as wrong in my thinking, but I'm curious as to what philosophies we have on the board in terms of positional importance. Ultimately, it's about Ws. You have kicker and punter as your 2nd priority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, NewEra said: K/P #2. Stopped there I was wondering why it took so long for someone to call this out. Makes the whole analysis suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) I still subscribe to the Polian model, with one exception: I’d put a higher priority on a franchise CB over a franchise RB, given the changes in the game in the last generation. I wouldn’t be surprised if Polian has also evolved. Anyway, his order of positional importance as he outlined in the early 90s: QB - for obvious reasons; the most important position on the field DE - to pressure the other team’s most important player OT - to protect your own most important player RB - to protect leads and control clock and take pressure of your most important player WR - to provide a reliable “go to” option for your most important player Substitute that franchise CB for the RB and I still agree with BP. And we should always understand that building a team is never a linear process. By that I mean you should never bypass bluechip talent at one position to satisfy a need at another by taking a less talented player, regardless of position. Edited November 13, 2019 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Close to my list: 1. QB 2. Pass Rusher 3. #1 CB 4. LT 5. #1 WR I would also take elite talent anywhere though. You need stars to win. This is the correct list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: I was wondering why it took so long for someone to call this out. Makes the whole analysis suspect. Obviously, I disagree. Another poster made the point that the Patriots have historically made it a point to have a great kicker. I think it's "criminally" underlooked. Kickers often have a greater impact on the outcome of games than any other single position, save quarterback, in my opinion. The difference between a great kicker and a "whatever's left" kicker is probably 2 games per year, I would think. Edited November 13, 2019 by Giuseppe Tognarelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Kickers win games though. This has to be a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: This has to be a joke. I don't understand this comment. If the Bills had, for example, Justin Tucker on Sunday, they would be 7-2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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