BuffaloBaumer Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Stick with Allen and Barkley. I am increasingly nervous re Allen but he needs another year and Barkley is very serviceable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston There is no QB in the world that has no accuracy issues, and the ones you intimate Allen has are overblown. Allen needs to continue to progress in reading defenses and knowing what his best choices are pre-snap. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 4 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston I am no Allen fan, but they aint getting rid of him next year, no mattter what happens from here on out. That being said The only guy on that list i would like is Minshew...but what cha ya willing to give up to get him? BTW, what Barkley ya talking about ? Matt? Now, i have always liked Matt Moore. Fitz is still getting it done to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Josh is going no where but scout the CFL over that list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Actually Fitzpatrick would be a great backup/mentor for Allen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) The problem with Fitz is that he comes in everywhere, the starter struggles or gets hurt, Fitz comes in and lights it up for a few games (Fitzmagic), you have a QB controversy and it screws up the team chemistry and/or a young guy isn't getting the reps he needs to develop. It's not Fitz's fault, but that's just how it plays out, time and time (and time) again. I am a huge Fitzpatrick fan, but I don't see this plan working out for the Bills. Edited November 11, 2019 by msw2112 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plano Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Are we forgetting about Andy Dalton? He'll be the started in Buffalo next year, sig it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Yes. I’d go get Dalton. He doesn’t necessarily spell the end for Allen, but he can get you to the playoffs if the lightbulb never goes on for Allen. At a minimum, Bills need an upgrade to Barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I still think Allen will make it.......when I think of how bad JP Losman was, and how bad EJ Manuel was......Allen is better than either by a lot at this point. So, cool your jets, Allen is here for at least two more years beyond this....and, by then, we will know. I shudder to think how long it took Kurt Warmer (two super bowl rings) to mature...including time in the infamous arena league. What I am saying is Allen has all the tools.....JP didn't have the head, EJ didn't have the arm and had a poor presence on the field.....Josh seems to have avoided those problems. Yes, he is still working on his mechanics and learning the pro game....but, I think, he will progress. He didn't play in the SEC or the Big Ten....he played at Wyoming...and, has a little further to come than SEC/ACC QB's imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: There is no QB in the world that has no accuracy issues, and the ones you intimate Allen has are overblown. Allen needs to continue to progress in reading defenses and knowing what his best choices are pre-snap. Allen has accuracy issues. A lot of passes of his that are caught, require contortions by the receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Tyrod Taylor, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Josh Allen in one QB room. Tyrod & Fitz split the first three quarters down the middle. Josh comes in for the 4th. Three men combined into one reliably decent QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills6969 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 What a dumb post. Let’s get Allen some playmakers (I.e., Ceedee Lamb) on offense and buildup the oline before we judgements on Allen. He needs to be more consistent with his passing game ( especially long balls) but he has all the intangibles that you want in a QB (Smart, toughness, leadership) which is not what we could say for most of the QBs weve had over the years. 2 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) So a QB with all the tools, drive, traits and leadership to succeed who has a winning record as a starter on teams devoid of offensive help is already a bust to some of you? He needs weapons and a better OC. Brees still sucked at this stage of his career and Allen isn’t sucking. He’s got lots to work on and keep developing, but he still is dealing with an inconsistent OL and below average offensive weapons around him with an OC who isn’t putting him in the best positions to succeed. Allen has more to prove, but he also is far from peaked too. This thread is pointless, 0% chance he isn’t the top dog going into next season. 4 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Allen has accuracy issues. A lot of passes of his that are caught, require contortions by the receiver. See every QB ever. Allen’s biggest problem is our receivers suck at making those catches and adjustments. Edited November 11, 2019 by Alphadawg7 4 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 37 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston No love for Ryan Tannehill that doing good in Tennessee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Josh all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, ALLEN1QB said: Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate I can't see Cam wanted to go somewhere and be a backup, at the very least he'd want to compete to start. I could see him with the Dolphins, Bengals, Raiders, Chargers (pending Rivers), Broncos, Redskins, Bears or Buccaneers before coming here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 43 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston So are you admitting you are done with Allen; because we already know you were never on board? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 This fantasyland must be the biggest bummer ever. Here i thought they were supposed to be fun and care free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 45 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate Cam is done being what he was at his best. And Bills are not where he will go, he is only going to go into a situation as the unquestioned starter, not to compete. Cam is a bad fit here, he isn’t going to be any better than Josh and Josh has a much much bigger ceiling at this stages of their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Buffalo would be crazy to not try and bring Cam Newton in he's basically Josh Allen but more accurate Youve seen him play both in years past and this year? Is this sarcasim? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 I'd like to see us make a serious run at Bridgewater. Why do you think we have no chance to get him? We have tons of cap space. I'm thinking after his success this year he wants to start. Who can blame him? I'd really hate to see us waste a really good D while trying to see if some how Josh can become an accurate passer when the odds of that are like 10 gazillion to 1 he will. I'd also try to trade for Minshew. Even a first if that's what it takes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Lol this thread 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Does anyone in their right mind HONESTLY BELIEVE the Bills will throw in the towel on the rawest prospect with the most upside of any of the 2018 QB's, who has shown improvement this year in many areas, and has been clutch when called upon after his 2nd season in the NFL? Really? 4 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted November 11, 2019 Author Share Posted November 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: I still think Allen will make it.......when I think of how bad JP Losman was, and how bad EJ Manuel was......Allen is better than either by a lot at this point. So, cool your jets, Allen is here for at least two more years beyond this....and, by then, we will know. I shudder to think how long it took Kurt Warmer (two super bowl rings) to mature...including time in the infamous arena league. What I am saying is Allen has all the tools.....JP didn't have the head, EJ didn't have the arm and had a poor presence on the field.....Josh seems to have avoided those problems. Yes, he is still working on his mechanics and learning the pro game....but, I think, he will progress. He didn't play in the SEC or the Big Ten....he played at Wyoming...and, has a little further to come than SEC/ACC QB's imho. I would like to think we don't have to compare our current QB to Losman or Manuel. THAT'S exactly how low expectations have been around here...ugh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: I would like to think we don't have to compare our current QB to Losman or Manuel. THAT'S exactly how low expectations have been around here...ugh You poor thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Bridgewater!!!!!!! 6 minutes ago, H2o said: Does anyone in their right mind HONESTLY BELIEVE the Bills will throw in the towel on the rawest prospect with the most upside of any of the 2018 QB's, who has shown improvement this year in many areas, and has been clutch when called upon after his 2nd season in the NFL? Really? not clear he had the most upside, or that he was the rawest prospect. I believe that title belonged to Lamar Jackson (rawest and most upside), and he is killing it out there with his arms and legs. Meanwhile, Josh can't hit wide-open WR's on simple deep routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 28 minutes ago, bills6969 said: What a dumb post. Let’s get Allen some playmakers (I.e., Ceedee Lamb) on offense and buildup the oline before we judgements on Allen. He needs to be more consistent with his passing game ( especially long balls) but he has all the intangibles that you want in a QB (Smart, toughness, leadership) which is not what we could say for most of the QBs weve had over the years. He has some of the intangibles, but those don't win games. Hitting long-balls is a basic requirement of a starting NFL QB. He has weapons, he overthrows them. Smartness, not sure how "smart" a QB is that continually does not see open WR's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 41 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Allen has accuracy issues. A lot of passes of his that are caught, require contortions by the receiver. I think you need to watch some other QB's play. This happens more than you think. Being precise (not really accurate) ain't as easy as it's cracked up to be. It's why guys like Brady are guys like Brady. 20 minutes ago, H2o said: Does anyone in their right mind HONESTLY BELIEVE the Bills will throw in the towel on the rawest prospect with the most upside of any of the 2018 QB's, who has shown improvement this year in many areas, and has been clutch when called upon after his 2nd season in the NFL? Really? Emotional reactions the day after a loss. Always fun to observe. Which is not to say Josh doesn't need to step some things up, pre-snap reads the most important from where I see things. But that takes time to master, and time is growing shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 38 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: So a QB with all the tools, drive, traits and leadership to succeed who has a winning record as a starter on teams devoid of offensive help is already a bust to some of you? He needs weapons and a better OC. Brees still sucked at this stage of his career and Allen isn’t sucking. He’s got lots to work on and keep developing, but he still is dealing with an inconsistent OL and below average offensive weapons around him with an OC who isn’t putting him in the best positions to succeed. Allen has more to prove, but he also is far from peaked too. This thread is pointless, 0% chance he isn’t the top dog going into next season. See every QB ever. Allen’s biggest problem is our receivers suck at making those catches and adjustments. This. If you're looking at bringing in a vet you might as well blow it up bc you're saying you don't believe in what you have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: not clear he had the most upside, or that he was the rawest prospect. I believe that title belonged to Lamar Jackson (rawest and most upside), and he is killing it out there with his arms and legs. Meanwhile, Josh can't hit wide-open WR's on simple deep routes. Pretty sure it was discussed around here and throughout the media many upon many times over. Again, until yesterday against the Ryan Finley led 0-8 Bengals, Jackson's passing numbers have been average at best throwing the football. Look for yourself. He had 5 TD's and 5 INT's through his previous 6 games throwing the football. He is amazing running it though, I will give him that. Do you honestly believe he would be successful outside of Roman in Baltimore right now? I don't think so. This too shall pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 46 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: Allen has accuracy issues. A lot of passes of his that are caught, require contortions by the receiver. yet he is high on the adjusted accuracy list...welp there goes that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: Pretty sure it was discussed around here and throughout the media many upon many times over. Again, until yesterday against the Ryan Finley led 0-8 Bengals, Jackson's passing numbers have been average at best throwing the football. Look for yourself. He had 5 TD's and 5 INT's through his previous 6 games throwing the football. He is amazing running it though, I will give him that. Do you honestly believe he would be successful outside of Roman in Baltimore right now? I don't think so. This too shall pass. Yea but Allen isn't doing that against those same teams so by WGR Logic he's a bust. The loserism in this town is off the charts. I don't relate anymore I live outside of DC 2 world champions in 2 years now. If the low info fans of the world had their way Ovi gets traded 5 years ago and Scherzer was traded in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Let me start by saying that if you love Josh Allen and his play so far, no need to respond here. This is for people like myself that want a QB with no accuracy issues and that can be a starter for a couple years as to not waste a relatively good defense. With all of the back-up qbs emerging into starters, there must be some vets that will be available as a stop-gap. What might that list look like as I don't think anyone in the front office will admit that Allen is not the guy.....until end of next year. Barkley Minshew Newton Bridgewater (probably no chance) Big Ben (if Rudolph continues to look like the real deal) Winston Why would Minshew be available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: This. If you're looking at bringing in a vet you might as well blow it up bc you're saying you don't believe in what you have. I'd be willing to bring in Dalton on a reasonable contract. I know what he is - and i think that is better than barkley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Any one else ever glue quarters on the sidewalk in a bad part of town to see what crackheads do???? This thread has that vibe. Allen and Barkley are both here next year. No GM will give up on a 2nd year top 10 draft pick unless they get caught raping a child and shooting up a zoo while high on cocaine. Ain’t gonna happen. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: Youve seen him play both in years past and this year? Is this sarcasim? I sure think he's better than the backup we have right now at least he plays the same style that Josh Allen does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Plano said: Are we forgetting about Andy Dalton? He'll be the started in Buffalo next year, sig it. The Big 3 names that could actually be available are Big Ben, Dalton, and Phillip Rivers. All would be immediate upgrades over Allen, despite their various problems, age, etc. Folks in this thread keep saying Allen is going nowhere. Did they notice yesterday how their head coach had no faith in Allen's ability to win the game? And how they chose to instead play for a tie with a 53 yard FG? Don't listen to what the coaching staff says, watch what they do. They have no faith in Allen whatsoever. 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: So a QB with all the tools, drive, traits and leadership to succeed who has a winning record as a starter on teams devoid of offensive help is already a bust to some of you? He needs weapons and a better OC. Brees still sucked at this stage of his career and Allen isn’t sucking. He’s got lots to work on and keep developing, but he still is dealing with an inconsistent OL and below average offensive weapons around him with an OC who isn’t putting him in the best positions to succeed. Allen has more to prove, but he also is far from peaked too. This thread is pointless, 0% chance he isn’t the top dog going into next season. See every QB ever. Allen’s biggest problem is our receivers suck at making those catches and adjustments. Yes. He'll be a bust to you too given enough time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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