Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 It seems as if the past 2 games have exposed a pretty serious flaw in the Bills defense. Miami laid a blueprint for having success on the ground against our front and the Eagles buried us because of it. It’s imperative that the Bills get infront of this issue and squash it before it leads to more losses. What is the solution to the flawed run defense? A change up in the DT rotation? Less Star? Less Oliver? Perhaps a trade for a run stuffing DT or even a 2 down MLB? More Alexander in obviousl run downs? Less nickel? Any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Trading for a DL shouldn’t even be an option. The reality is that Star sucks (not shocking to anyone who actually pays attention), Hughes looks like his career as a pass rusher is over, Lawson is mediocre, and Murphy sucks (shocking nobody). Our best player on the DL is Phillips. There’s likely no fixing the problem at this point in the year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 The Eagles used heavier 5 OL fronts and we didn’t match with an extra DL. Should have added a third DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Blitz a lot more. Front four isn’t getting it done. We can cover on the back end. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I was told big good DTs will do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 The biggest issue remains MLB to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I’m sure Beane is looking for a DT. If he wasn’t he will be after today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, CaptnCoke11 said: I was told big good DTs will do the trick At least one big one and the ML to hit the right gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, wvbillsfan said: Blitz a lot more. Front four isn’t getting it done. We can cover on the back end. At the beginning of the Patriots game they emphasized how they stack the box and have confidence in their secondary to cover man to man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Luke Kuechly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Offense needs to score more points. Then it doesnt matter. Pats are going to give up almost 200 yards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Star needs to go. Get a 1 tech DT (or two) that has size. Oliver will also need to put on weight and muscle; also more time playing is more experience, which is what he's missing right now. Penetration and pushing the o-line back to collapse the pocket will be key. If this can happen, the linebackers will be better able to make the tackle, assuming they keep Edmunds as MLB (which they probably will). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chris66 said: Offense needs to score more points. Then it doesnt matter. Pats are going to give up almost 200 yards I think the offense is going to pretty much be this for a while. The OC is a complete idiot who refuses to use Singletary but loves Frank Gore. The QB is someone we all like but he’s inconsistent at best. The Defense is the backbone of this team and needs to not give up 200 yards on the ground. We are a team that is going to play complementary football wether we want to or not. You can’t have the defense getting gashed for 9 min drives because they can’t top the run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said: I think the offense is going to pretty much be this for a while. The OC is a complete idiot who refuses to use Singletary but loves Frank Gore. The QB is someone we all like but he’s inconsistent at best. The Defense is the backbone of this team and needs to not give up 200 yards on the ground. We are a team that is going to play complementary football wether we want to or not. You can’t have the defense getting gashed for 9 min drives because they can’t top the run. I din’t Get why Singletary sits so much in the first half. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Trading for a DL shouldn’t even be an option. The reality is that Star sucks (not shocking to anyone who actually pays attention), Hughes looks like his career as a pass rusher is over, Lawson is mediocre, and Murphy sucks (shocking nobody). Our best player on the DL is Phillips. There’s likely no fixing the problem at this point in the year. Agree with all your points....All of a sudden our DL looks very generic...add Lorax as also looking old.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 27, 2019 Author Share Posted October 27, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: I din’t Get why Singletary sits so much in the first half. He never gets the ball. It’s inexcusable. He avg like 9 yards per touch and this ####### gives him the ball like 5 times a week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I think you may want to take out Zo, play 2 LBs, and put Neal in the box and commit him to run support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: He never gets the ball. It’s inexcusable. He avg like 9 yards per touch and this ####### gives him the ball like 5 times a week I gaurentee gore plays more because he's "earned it". It's bad logic. Start singletary and let him carry the load. I 99.9% gaurentee it'd open up the passing game for Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It seems as if the past 2 games have exposed a pretty serious flaw in the Bills defense. Miami laid a blueprint for having success on the ground against our front and the Eagles buried us because of it. It’s imperative that the Bills get infront of this issue and squash it before it leads to more losses. What is the solution to the flawed run defense? A change up in the DT rotation? Less Star? Less Oliver? Perhaps a trade for a run stuffing DT or even a 2 down MLB? More Alexander in obviousl run downs? Less nickel? Any thoughts? More cow bell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Trading for a DL shouldn’t even be an option. The reality is that Star sucks (not shocking to anyone who actually pays attention), Hughes looks like his career as a pass rusher is over, Lawson is mediocre, and Murphy sucks (shocking nobody). Our best player on the DL is Phillips. There’s likely no fixing the problem at this point in the year. Isn't there a run stuffing DT that we acquired from the Dolphins on the practice squad? I think his name is Vincent Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Too late now, should have recognized this was a problem after the pats ran us over last year. We need to draft bigger better DTs ,maybe we can get a FA. Star gets pushed around too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 1 minute ago, the skycap said: Isn't there a run stuffing DT that we acquired from the Dolphins on the practice squad? I think his name is Vincent Taylor I suspect he’ll get a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 Murphy and Star have been huge busts and make little to no impact. Hughes is past his prime. Oliver is undersized. We have a young MLB who has big potential but looks lost currently. The only other LB that has any business starting is always hurt. Phillips is out for the year but even when healthy is a solid rotation guy at best. Our front 7 is a bit of mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, Process said: Murphy and Star have been huge busts and make little to no impact. Hughes is past his prime. Oliver is undersized. We have a young MLB who has big potential but looks lost currently. The only other LB that has any business starting is always hurt. Phillips is out for the year but even when healthy is a solid rotation guy at best. Our front 7 is a bit of mess. The healthy Phillips is good though. Can’t just leave him out. Maybe the bills can convince Kyle to come out for the last 8 games ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Trading a 4th for Derek Wolfe would help. But in reality it’s the scheme - need to be willing to take chances with the middle deep zones and move the linebackers up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, wvbillsfan said: Blitz a lot more. Front four isn’t getting it done. We can cover on the back end. How does that fix the RUN defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: How does that fix the RUN defense? There are run blitzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: There are run blitzes. Can't see it with McD. His whole scheme is about not giving up the big play. Blitz into the wrong hole and you'll get gashed big time. I think one thing they need to do is find an upgrade to Peko when he's rotated in... Edited October 28, 2019 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Just now, Lurker said: Can't see it with McD. His whole scheme is about not giving up the big play. Blitz into the whong hole and you'll get gashed big time. I think one thing they need to do is find an upgrade to Peko when he's rotated in... I think Beane is probably looking at trades, guys on other teams’ practice squads etc. right now. Two games now where teams dominated our D line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 FWIW ... for comparison, PFF has Dareus and Star as roughly equal in their rankings this year, Ed Oliver a tick higher, and Jordan Phillips as considerably better than those 3.. But Harrison Phillips was better than all of them. So losing him hurt a lot. In general, McD's defense prizes speed/quickness/versatility over size/strength, so a guy like Harrison played a critical role. I imagine any team with a good power running game can exploit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 380 yards last week 370 yards this week Something is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Well it's all LBs. Milani was terrible as was Edmund's. They fill the gaps better this isn't an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: The biggest issue remains MLB to me. All of the lb positions are worrisome. Also there is no depth whatsoever. Sanders big td run milano and edmunds got creamed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: It seems as if the past 2 games have exposed a pretty serious flaw in the Bills defense. Miami laid a blueprint for having success on the ground against our front and the Eagles buried us because of it. It’s imperative that the Bills get infront of this issue and squash it before it leads to more losses. What is the solution to the flawed run defense? A change up in the DT rotation? Less Star? Less Oliver? Perhaps a trade for a run stuffing DT or even a 2 down MLB? More Alexander in obviousl run downs? Less nickel? Any thoughts? it was a problem last year as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 I think this is entirely correctible. As wandstedian as this sounds, it’s about gap control. They have issues with that on zone and stretch runs. But I think they can be coached up on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Step 1. Find some space eaters. Step 2. Watch every day fans ask: WTF are these guys doing Step 3. Watch super posters explain that the average fan is ######ed because they don't know the role of the space eater. Step 4. Repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I think you may want to take out Zo, play 2 LBs, and put Neal in the box and commit him to run support Anyone know why Marlowe has been playing as much as he has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted October 28, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2019 Call the Bengals and ask about Geno ?♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: I think this is entirely correctible. As wandstedian as this sounds, it’s about gap control. They have issues with that on zone and stretch runs. But I think they can be coached up on it. I hope it’s this. But my view of today is they just got physically whipped, and when that happens things like gap control become secondary. Edited October 28, 2019 by oldmanfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I hope it’s this. But my view of today is they just got physically whipped, and when that happens things like gap control become secondary. I hope I’m right too!! I am less worried about the physicality. The Bills were winning on that front for almost the entire first half. They got gassed late. Everyone is just remembering that last few drives. i am more worried about that long run and the stretch runs where they were giving up like 5-6 yards a pop. I think that’s gap control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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