Carucci: Bills are 5-1, but Josh Allen can’t seem to win no matter what he does

[LEBills]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He worked out for the Bills last year during the season as I recall 

 

Worked out with Josh and Darnold leading up to the draft too. 

 

ill take our Allen any day of the week, but at 5-0, the other Allen is doing pretty well as a 2018 draft alumn

[BITE ME]

Allen needs to be 4th quarter Josh Allen all game. He is too inconsistent.  Even if he played 3 good quarters and 1 bad that would be fine, but right now he is just not putting 4 quarters together.  The good ones have a rough series here and there, but not multiple bad quarters week after week. Part of it is being young and part of it is being inaccurate.

Edited October 25, 2019 by FUTURIST

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I’m just curious why Allen is the only qb from his class who can improve. 

 

I'm sure it's just to piss you off.

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I'm sure it's just to piss you off.

 

 

I’m the farthest thing from pissed.  Things are going awesome. ??

[K-9]

13 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Up and down was the problem with Darnold coming out.  He has the tendency to be a turnover machine.  Will crazy Gase get him over it?  Gase doesnt seem interested in having him as his QB though, so I doubt it.

Gase is not an honest broker so I can’t see Darnold or the rest of that team actually wanting to play for him if things continue on the present course.

[blacklabel]

Good article, thanks for posting it, Yolo. 

 

From the start, when they drafted the kid, my thoughts on him have been this: He's a gamer. It's not always gonna be pretty, it's not always gonna go down the way fans would like to see it go down (you know, like he said, rack up 300 yards and beat their opponent by 42 points every game), he's gonna have some rough stretches here and there. But when the game is on the line, it really feels like they're always gonna have a shot with him under center. He just has that air to him and he's already shown it several times in his short career. 

 

The other thing he's shown so far is the ability to take to coaching and make genuine adjustments and improvements to his game. The article highlighted it perfectly, he struggled mightily on shorter throws last season but this year he's one of the best in the league at it. Seeing that improvement helps reassure me that he'll start hitting on the deep throws as well. Again, he's only 17 games into his career, hasn't seen every defensive look out there, hasn't played all 31 other teams, he's still gaining experience. And what better way to gain experience by winning in the process? 

 

I think he's gonna be a good one. I think more fans need to accept the fact that he's probably gonna make you scratch your head now and then, but in between those moments he's also gonna have times where you're picking your jaw up off the floor because you can't believe he just completed the pass that he did. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said:

I'd really wish people would just stop being greedy. The Bills averaged between 6/10 - 7/9 for 17 years, now that the Bills have a great defense again, have a winning record at 5-1, that is still not good enough for some fans.

 

Damn Straight!  Not good enough!

 

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

But you said Lamar will regress with tape.  All offseason I heard he was a rb who was playing qb. He has improved as a passer.  Why can’t he continue to improve?

I didn't say that at all

 

All I said is just wait till there is a few years of tape on him to see how nuanced of a passer he really is

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

I didn't say that at all

 

All I said is just wait till there is a few years of tape on him to see how nuanced of a passer he really is

Will tape negatively impact Allen?

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

Will tape negatively impact Allen?

It can if he shows the same tendencies and never learns to hide his tells

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Buffalo716 said:

It can if he shows the same tendencies and never learns to hide his tells

So the exact same thing as Lamar.

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said:

So the exact same thing as Lamar.

Again I never said anything like you guys are quoting me as

 

The person I quoted said Josh won't be the best QB from the class and I offered opinions why it's foolish to say 17 games in

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It can if he shows the same tendencies and never learns to hide his tells

 

Hmmm has someone been watching Ravens film?

 

[Buffalo716]

16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hmmm has someone been watching Ravens film?

 

I've been watching a lot of the young QBs and they all have their strengths and weaknesses

 

Lamar has been very much improved but alot of it is very good scheming .. he has also been very close to being destroyed a few times

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

What says that will be a fact? Baker has regressed and Lamar is exciting but wait till there is a few years of tape on him

 

Darnold has not looked good

 

If Josh keeps grinding he can have a better career that all then, it's crazy to say it's set in stone after 17 games

Absolutely nothing.  
 

thus far the he offense is getting no respect by a good portion of the media.  
 

I just posted a link in the game week thread.

 

5-1 Bills hear your snide criticisms and are annoyed

Kimberley A. Martin

October 25, 2019, 2:42 PM EDT

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. — Micah Hyde has grown accustomed to being an afterthought, overlooked by so many along his journey from college to the pros. And after almost three seasons in Buffalo, the veteran safety understands why the football world refuses to give this Bills defense its due

 

this thread is possibly THE better place for it. 
 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/51-bills-hear-your-snide-criticisms-and-are-annoyed-184224349.html

 

 

INSERT RODNEY DANGERFIELD PICTURE 

[ganesh]

5 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

This is good to have confirmation from Dorsey and from Barkley. I had a feeling this was the case with Josh. With an attitude and behavior like this he will most certainly continue to get better. That said, it is a shame that more fans will not embrace him for the character quality he exudes and the professionalism he puts into becoming better. The man deserves this and much more.

 

Of course, we know his talents. We understand he possesses all the tools required. We heard that he has the work ethic. As a young professional athlete, you really cannot ask for any more.

He has to show it on the field on a consistent basis...day in day out.   His legend will continue to grow as he grows.   He has to show that he is cutting down his mental mistakes and playing a mistake free game...He has now done it two weeks in a row...one on the road and one at home.  If he continues to do that and put the team in a good position to win, he will win the hearts of the city and the NFL.   

 

In 2002, I remember a rookie Big Ben being asked to play a Game Manager while his defense and ST played lights out on their way to the AFC Conference title and the SB next year.   Coach Cowher knew how to keep the strong armed QB from making mistakes and play smart football.  His stats were not that great...but he never had to do anything like a super hero.   Our team needs to do the same...

[IDBillzFan]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

I’ve seen “ Excellent D” win more than a few Superbowls...... Just, sayin’?

 

Earlier today, Pat Kirwan was with John Clayton on "Moving the Chains," and a Pats* fan called in confused that anyone thinks Brady leaving the Pats* means there will be a different leader in the AFC East. He said he's seen enough of Darnold, Rosen and Allen to know none of them are franchise quarterbacks, but Bellicheck* is a QB-making machine, with Garappolo and Brissett as two examples.

Kirwan reminded the caller (or probably taught him) that Garappolo and Brissett are gone, and after Brady* there is Jarrett Stidham, and he ain't Garappolo or Brissett.

 

He also explained that Pats* fans would be foolish to think the Bills won't be a serious contender within the next two years. He said the coaching staff, the defense and Allen are for real and by 2021 they'll be a top contender, even if Brady is still playing.

 

Clayton, of course, jumps in with "Well, they haven't beat anyone this year, so the team looks like fools gold" and Kirwan reminded him (I am now getting to the point) that the year the Ravens won the SB with Dilfer, nine of their wins came against teams with losing records.

 

 

 

[ProcessTruster]

5 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Pretty sure he's won all but 1 this year.

yepper, last time I looked !  he's our guy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said:

Clayton, of course, jumps in with "Well, they haven't beat anyone this year, so the team looks like fools gold" and Kirwan reminded him (I am now getting to the point) that the year the Ravens won the SB with Dilfer, n

Wrong answer 

 

The Pats haven’t beaten anyone else besides the Bills with a winning record 

 

[IDBillzFan]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Wrong answer 

 

The Pats haven’t beaten anyone else besides the Bills with a winning record 

 

 

He did bring that up, actually. He also told Clayton you should never apologize for your schedule. The game relies on all kinds of variables. The schedule is one of them. It requires no apologies.

 

I've always like Kirwan, but this year he straight up admitted he was wrong about Josh Allen. He see's him getting better, and loves McDermott and company.

[Buffalo Junction]

6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

At the end of it all, I wonder who will be the best in that heralded QB class?  Baker and Sam currently playing poorly. Rosen in no mans land. Lamar and Josh are in front right now. Sam has played well at times - very up and down.

Watch it be the unheralded Kyle Allen. ?‍♂️

[Doc Brown]

I think he's underrated nationally and overrated locally.

[wppete]

Just keep winning games that’s all that matters.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

6 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

 

He lost all 4 SB's he ever played in.  Many fans do not look back on those years very fondly due to all the choking, the jokes (Boy I Love Losing Superbowls) etc.

 

Allen hasn't won anything yet, nor has he even had a great game passing the ball. 

If you’re upset by a joke from 30 years ago, you have issues.  If you’re upset about a poorly crafted (yet humorous) joke crafted by some nudnik that thinks Super Bowl is one word, you have issues and should have paid more attention in grammar school.  Might not be a bad idea to upgrade your friend group as well.  
 

I don’t know any fans who don’t look on those years fondly, albeit with a deep searing pain directly behind the eyeballs that has faded somewhat over time.  The two are not mutually exclusive.  

Edited October 26, 2019 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Sundancer]

6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..perhaps we know now why they're stuck in "the gallery" with bonafide GM resumes' in hand and the phone ain't ringing off the hook.....certainly creates some great "TBD Theater" with special thanks to "Fisher-Price wi-fi"........

 

"They" is "us." 

 

As long as Josh isn't listening to us for advice, that's fine. 

[Jay_Fixit]

7 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Pretty sure he's won all but 1 this year.

Well.

 

The TEAM has.

[BringBackOrton]

9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

At the end of it all, I wonder who will be the best in that heralded QB class?  Baker and Sam currently playing poorly. Rosen in no mans land. Lamar and Josh are in front right now. Sam has played well at times - very up and down.

I wonder how much Baker is trying, and failing, to placate his WR’s. There was that story that Stafford got much better when he wasn’t forcing it to Megatron, even though his WR’s were worse. And Watson threw a ton of picks in college trying to force the ball to Mike Williams.

 

Too many egos in a locker room can be a bad thing. OBJ struggling to get the ball while in Cleveland is a lot different than in NYC. 

[H2o]

Josh Allen is my guy. He is the young, 2nd year, starting QB of the team I have rooted for since the mid/late 1980's. The young man is going to be special. He may not ever be Drew Brees, or Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning, but he is going to be special for this team and this city for years to come. You see it already beyond being athletically gifted. In his first full season, game wise, as a starter he has led how many game winning drives/4th quarter comebacks? Yeah. His completion percentage is up like 10 points from last year to this year and the team is winning. So what if he doesn't have gaudy numbers yet? I don't care. The guy is clutch and he's got this switch that flips in crunch time like no one else I have ever seen this early in their career. The main problem, as with many of the dead horse threads on TSW, is comparing him to or not being able to let go of the fact we didn't draft Mahomes or Watson even for that matter. It's kind of sad actually that people get stuck on comparisons or blinded by their disdain over the fact someone else isn't here. Makes a lot of you seem like miserable people in general. When he cuts down the turnovers, because he will, and starts putting up more gaudy numbers, because he will, I can't wait to see all of the people backtracking or rationalizing their stance prior to. 

[Buffalo Boy]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Watch it be the unheralded Kyle Allen. ?‍♂️

As the inimitable Ozzy Osborne was once heard to say ,” Keep on smoking those joints!!!”

[CSBill]

14 hours ago, krf139 said:

Let’s be honest. We could easily have lost 4 of the games we’ve won.  Josh has done nothing to distinguish himself.  Excellent D and a bit of luck are covering up what will soon become a huge problem.  

 

another brilliant contribution . . . and next, "we should have drafted the other Josh"

[Dave Allen]

What I think frustrates a lot of national media about Allen is that, among all other quarterbacks, he is unique. He can't be lumped in with Cam Newton and the other QBs, or the strong-armed guys. His natural skills off the charts. His strengths AND his flaws are both at the opposite far edges of the charts (for now). His first-half performances have been lacking, his second halves have been great. On one hand,  it makes it impossible to peg him, or rank him against his peers on a comparable scale. On the other hand, he gives his detractors enough ammo to keep taking swings at him. 

 

What stands out to me are his comebacks. To me, the fact that he's has performed so many fourth-quarter comebacks says more about him than any other metric. The man is clutch. The fact that many of them came against 'lesser' teams is meaningless. You do it this many times, it means something.

[thebandit27]

17 hours ago, krf139 said:

Let’s be honest. We could easily have lost 4 of the games we’ve won.  Josh has done nothing to distinguish himself.  Excellent D and a bit of luck are covering up what will soon become a huge problem.  

 

Aside from being the best 4th quarter QB and best red zone QB in the NFL, you're right, he's done nothing to distinguish himself ?

[HappyDays]

16 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I don't think I ever said that

 

You didn't say anything close to that, but that poster has a certain way of doing things around here. Don't worry, everyone else can clearly read what you said.

[RunTheBall]

17 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said:

 

He lost all 4 SB's he ever played in.  Many fans do not look back on those years very fondly due to all the choking, the jokes (Boy I Love Losing Superbowls) etc.

 

Allen hasn't won anything yet, nor has he even had a great game passing the ball. 

 

The only fans who don't look back fondly on 4 straight years of Super Bowl appearances were either too young or too dumb to appreciate what we had. 

[RochesterLifer]

20 hours ago, krf139 said:

Let’s be honest. We could easily have lost 4 of the games we’ve won.  Josh has done nothing to distinguish himself.  Excellent D and a bit of luck are covering up what will soon become a huge problem.  

You might want to pay more attention to the entire NFL. Most games are "coulda, woulda" until the final five minutes. Your "insightful" observation is a Captain Obvious statement for the league. In fact, in those NFL-wide critical final five minutes, Josh Allen has ruled the roost.

[Gugny]

21 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

the point here I think is  this

 

The Haters are gonna hate and Josh will never be the best of his draft class no matter what

 

 

21 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Definitely agree. The good part is I don’t think he cares. Only cares about wins. 

 

Exactly.  Too many people are hellbent on being, "right," and put that before Bills winning games.  At least enjoying when they do.

 

I almost feel sorry for them.  Almost.

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Aside from being the best 4th quarter QB and best red zone QB in the NFL, you're right, he's done nothing to distinguish himself ?

As Bills fan, we will be always proud of our QB and what he does to win Football games.  However, the national media looks at him as the whole QB and when you do that, he has failed in several categories.   From that perpsective, he is running as an average to below average QB.   Consistency is key in the NFL, especially for a young QB.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

17 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I've been watching a lot of the young QBs and they all have their strengths and weaknesses

 

Lamar has been very much improved but alot of it is very good scheming .. he has also been very close to being destroyed a few times

 

I like Lamar.  Like Josh, he has made a huge step since what he was last year.  He had a better team around him last year than Josh did, and he got some attention since they went to the playoffs (in an awful game with the Chargers both team tried to lose)

 

Roman is probably the best mind in the league for crafting a run-centric offense.  He won with Smith before Smith went to Andy Reid QB School aka Chiefs and got magic dust sprinkled on him.  Then he won with Kaepernick.  And Lamar, like Josh, clearly put in a lot of time in the off season.

 

But what I don't understand is the media narrative that "Lamar Jackson is an MVP candidate" while Josh Allen is still next door to a bust. 

 

 

[RochesterLifer]

6 minutes ago, ganesh said:

As Bills fan, we will be always proud of our QB and what he does to win Football games.  However, the national media looks at him as the whole QB and when you do that, he has failed is still growing in several categories.   From that perspective, he is running as an average to below average a promising young QB.   Consistency is key in the NFL, especially for a young QB.

FIFY

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Josh is just wrapping up the equivalent of one (1) full nfl season of games played as a starter—we cannot forget that, which is why I feel like he’s growing as rapidly into his role as we could possibly reasonably expect, plus some gravy to boot! Outside of the evil empire NE, he hasn’t lost a game since Dec 9 of 2018, FWIW

http://www.nfl.com/player/joshallen/2560955/gamelogs?season=2018