R Talbot (via ESPN) - bills on the hunt for a WR

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Lol. It's a joke until he becomes a Bill.

 

Mike Evans would be an upgrade at WR obviously, but anything more than a 3rd and Bills' fans will begin losing sleep at night at some point, wondering if the team got its money's worth.

 

Mike Evans has never had a season with a catch % of 60 or better more than once and the season he did, it was slightly lower than Sammy Watkins' best season with the Bills; Sammy Watkins didn't feel like a go-to receiver even in his best season with Buffalo. 

 

I'm just sayin'.

 

 

 

 

To be fair I haven’t watched him play up close. I feel like the QB has some influence on that metric as well... but I don’t know Godwin is near tops in the league 

[whatdrought]

17 minutes ago, McBean said:

Julio, Mike Evans, Green in that order.

 

Send a first this year for one of them. Our first rounder this year is going to be late, and we’re going to miss out anyway on a top WR via draft. 

 

I actually think I prefer Mike Evans... Younger, likely cheaper, and more of a fit for our needs. (though Julio would also be a great fit)

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, DCOrange said:

 

Jameis isn't great, but he's roughly an average starting QB. He's not so bad that you can write off a disappointing Evans stat due to the presence of Jameis.

 

In reality though, the reason Evans' catch rate is relatively low is because the throws that come his way are generally low probability throws. Deep balls in general are low-percentage; add in the fact that Evans tends to get contested deep balls and it makes it even more low percentage. He's still a great, possibly even elite WR though. Having said that, I highly highly doubt Tampa has any interest in trading him. Worst case scenario (from their point of view), him and Godwin are exactly what they want in place for a new QB next year. Best case scenario is that Jameis settles in the 2nd half of the year and they have a great offense and an average or below-average defense.

 

If Buffalo wants to trade for a WR, I would think there's at least some chance of getting the following guys:

 

Difference makers:

• AJ Green
• Corey Davis

Under-the-radar:

• Marqise Lee
• Nelson Agholer
• Paul Richardson

I'd be fine with taking a flier on any of these guys depending on the price.

Not a million years.  Cant catch (a requirement for WR's) and poor effort 

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Not a million years.  Cant catch (a requirement for WR's) and poor effort 

To be clear, I wouldn't offer more than a Day 3 pick for him at this point. We'd essentially be just taking a flier to see if a change of scenery does him any good.

 

Edit: FWIW, he's caught 25 of 30 catchable targets this year (83.3%).

 

Bills target leaders:

Beasley: 30/36 - 83.3%

Brown: 33/39 - 84.6%

Knox: 12/21 - 57%

 

So he's actually right in line with our top guys and considering their respective average depth of target, he's ahead of Beasley (and obviously Knox).

Edited October 23, 2019 by DCOrange

[dave mcbride]

19 minutes ago, McBean said:

Julio, Mike Evans, Green in that order.

 

Send a first this year for one of them. Our first rounder this year is going to be late, and we’re going to miss out anyway on a top WR via draft. 

Julio just signed a big contract, and they traded Sanu. The Falcons still have a lot of talent, and they could easily bounce back to 10-11 wins next season.  I don't think they're trading him. 

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

To be clear, I wouldn't offer more than a Day 3 pick for him at this point. We'd essentially be just taking a flier to see if a change of scenery does him any good.

I wouldnt take him for free.

[whatdrought]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

Julio just signed a big contract, and they traded Sanu. The Falcons still have a lot of talent, and they could easily bounce back to 10-11 wins next season.  I don't think they're trading him. 

 

With coaching and some investment on the line and in the D, they can contend next year. I don't think they're rebuilding- they just need a new coach.

[DCOrange]

3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I wouldnt take him for free.

 

I edited my post after the fact, but just for your awareness, Agholor's true catch rate per PlayerProfiler.com (receptions / catchable targets) the past two years has been 85.3% and 83.3% respectively. Basically puts him on par or better than all of the Bills receivers. He's definitely nothing special as a player, but he's a potential starting caliber guy for sure and Buffalo could definitely use another one of those.

Edited October 23, 2019 by DCOrange

[papazoid]

in order:

 

Trent Williams

Stephon Diggs

Mike Evans

Corey Davis

AJ Green

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, papazoid said:

in order:

 

Trent Williams

Stephon Diggs

Mike Evans

Corey Davis

AJ Green

Corey Davis is rumored to be out there and would be an interesting “Jerry Hughes type” of move. You can maybe resurrect the career of a former early pick with a lot of talent. He’s played with trash Mariota. 

[DCbillsfan]

20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Yeah, I know that, but does anyone have any info on what's really going right now? I assume he's hurt and simply not able to perform at 100 percent, and if his speed game isn't there, he's not much use. But I don't really know.  

As we all know, OBD has been tight lipped since McD arrived.  McD harps on getting better every day and earning your opportunity.  My take is Foster has been hurt but also isn't showing enough in practice when healthy.  Therefore he sits.

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Corey Davis is rumored to be out there and would be an interesting “Jerry Hughes type” of move. You can maybe resurrect the career of a former early pick with a lot of talent. He’s played with trash Mariota. 

6 catches on 7 targets for 80 yards and a TD with Tannehill throwing to him this past Sunday. I doubt he gets moved; TN has a solid shot at winning that division (as does every other team in the AFC central). 

[Dr. Who]

15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Julio just signed a big contract, and they traded Sanu. The Falcons still have a lot of talent, and they could easily bounce back to 10-11 wins next season.  I don't think they're trading him. 

Not with that defense. There's going to be a coaching change. Honestly, they look awful, but I doubt Julio gets traded. The owner loves the fella.

[ProcessYaDigg]

36 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Hes not being traded

great argument, you've sold me.

[Teddy KGB]

11 minutes ago, papazoid said:

in order:

 

Trent Williams

Stephon Diggs

Mike Evans

Corey Davis

AJ Green

 

Evans > Diggs

Green > Davis x 2,0000000

[Wayne Cubed]

I know people keep throwing out Mike Evans name and don't get me wrong, he would be an amazing pick up if they could get him but the Bucs aren't giving him up. Bruce Arians isn't in Tampa Bay for a rebuild. He's a cornerstone of that franchise at the moment. And even though Jameis is playing bad, take a look at Carson Palmers first half of his first season with Arians, it was VERY similar to Jameis. 

 

I'm just not seeing Arians giving up that piece EVEN IF they decide to go a new QB route.

[Kirby Jackson]

9 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

6 catches on 7 targets for 80 yards and a TD with Tannehill throwing to him this past Sunday. I doubt he gets moved; TN has a solid shot at winning that division (as does every other team in the AFC central). 

Yeah, I think it’s unlikely too. If he could be had for a 3rd though I’d do it in a second.

[BurpleBull]

 

Bills get: Anthony Miller, 6th rd. pick (from Philadelphia)

 

Bears get: Robert Foster, TJ Yeldon,  4th rd. pick 

 

[SCBills]

12 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

I know people keep throwing out Mike Evans name and don't get me wrong, he would be an amazing pick up if they could get him but the Bucs aren't giving him up. Bruce Arians isn't in Tampa Bay for a rebuild. He's a cornerstone of that franchise at the moment. And even though Jameis is playing bad, take a look at Carson Palmers first half of his first season with Arians, it was VERY similar to Jameis. 

 

I'm just not seeing Arians giving up that piece EVEN IF they decide to go a new QB route.

 

I doubt they do it but it just seems like a perfect marriage of a trade.  

 

Evans is everything we want for Allen in a #1.  Hes the prototype when we also have John Brown on the outside and Cole Beasley in the slot. 

 

If, big if, they’re moving on from Jameis, they could certainly use a first rounder to package in a move up to guarantee they get their QB.   

 

Evans is the only guy they have that gets them that extra draft capital.  OJ Howard is intriguing, but he’s not bringing back a 1st.  

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by SCBills

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, I think it’s unlikely too. If he could be had for a 3rd though I’d do it in a second.

Absolutely. He's a really talented player.

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Bills get: Anthony Miller, 6th rd. pick (from Philadelphia)

 

Bears get: Robert Foster, TJ Yeldon,  4th rd. pick 

 

 

I loved Anthony Miller pre-draft, and I would love to have him... That being said, I have two issues with this: 

 

1- I don't think he's what's missing in our lineup. he's very much a possession type receiver with some added athleticism. He isn't very big, and he isn't the fastest guy. 

 

2- I don't want to trade Bobby. I don't know what's wrong with him this year, but I think he's gonna get back at some point, and I don't want it to be for another team. 

[Virgil]

I don't think any trade is going to happen, but there was another article about AJ Green today saying that he's shown no interest in being apart of the rebuild in Cincy and hasn't even tried to talk to the team about an extension.

 

So, him getting moved could be a possibility

[BADOLBILZ]

11 hours ago, Nelius said:

 

Maybe we need some more mystery meat, though. What is going on with Foster? Is there even a timetable for his situation? Seems that it's gotten worse throughout the year, we're entering Week 8 and the guy doesn't have a catch this season. Could be a lost year.

 

 

Whenever asked why Foster isn't playing McD says "it was a decision made in the best interest of the team" or something about specific game planning.    

[dave mcbride]

17 minutes ago, Virgil said:

I don't think any trade is going to happen, but there was another article about AJ Green today saying that he's shown no interest in being apart of the rebuild in Cincy and hasn't even tried to talk to the team about an extension.

 

So, him getting moved could be a possibility

It's a dereliction of duty for the Bengals to not move him, but they're a bad organization, so who knows?

[Reed83HOF]

44 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Evans > Diggs

Green > Davis x 2,0000000

K. Allen >>>>all of them

[GottaRun]

Needs to be a speedster to track down Josh's overthrown deep balls

Edited October 23, 2019 by driddles

[billsredneck1]

1 hour ago, foreboding said:

WR and QB require chemistry, it does not happen overnight.

Unless you got a Tom Brady throwing or a seminal talent: ala Antonio Brown, I think a mid-season WR trade is very likely to yield little, and we know AB ain't comin' here--thank God. Two firsts for a blue chip WR seems insane to me, even a single first, unless it is a Mike Evans type, but personally, I think that guy is so full of himself, tends to be a malcontent and does not get separation. His talent is undeniable though.

 

If we want to help this team, we get a legit pass rusher, another linebacker to backup Milano or look for value, high possible upside cast-offs. But every new addition means someone has to go.

 

Two firsts for a certain DE/LB in Denver, that is a pool I'd swim in, maybe.

agree 100% von miller would be the ticket..unless frazier drops in coverage and neuters him...(wouldn't be surprised).

 

  as far as wr goes, imo when we have guys dropping catch able balls and not getting open, then ok go ahead and shop around. until allen starts even getting the ball anywhere near catch able (deep), wr is not my no. 1 concern.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Bills get: Anthony Miller, 6th rd. pick (from Philadelphia)

 

Bears get: Robert Foster, TJ Yeldon,  4th rd. pick 

 

 

Looks like a respectable   McKenzie upgrade. Not sure why production isn’t there. 

 

Toss in Cohen who they hardly use and it looks good to me. 

 

[PIZ]

Who would they cut if they traded picks for a WR?  One of the TEs?  One of the WRs?

 

Who would they cut if they traded picks for a DE?

[longtimebillsfan]

15 hours ago, Sunshower said:

AJ Green if the price is right.

When will Green be available to play?

[C.Biscuit97]

15 hours ago, JoeF said:

Should have asked the Fins to just leave Preston Williams in Buffalo...

I like that dude. One of the only good players they have.  

 

AJ Green would fit really well here but the injury concern is real.  People also have to remember some of these teams won’t trade then for less than a 3rd because they get compensatory picks for guys leaving in FA.

1 hour ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Bills get: Anthony Miller, 6th rd. pick (from Philadelphia)

 

Bears get: Robert Foster, TJ Yeldon,  4th rd. pick 

 

Why would the Bears reads hmm?  They just spent a 2nd on him and he’s really good.  

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Evans > Diggs

Green > Davis x 2,0000000

Evans, who they won’t trade, is exactly what this team needs.  Corey Davis is good. He’s held back by his qbs. Not sure why they would trade him now though. I think he was a top 10 pick 2 years ago.

[fan_in_tx]

Kick the tires on Dez.   2 years out of football and achilles repaired, he may be worth a small investment or at least a look.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

15 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

Mike Evans would sure end the hunt!

I can’t think of a better WR fit for Allen. He would be one of the few WR’s that I would give a 1st rd pick up for. I’m guessing Tampa would want 2 1st rd picks though.

[BurpleBull]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I like that dude. One of the only good players they have.  

 

AJ Green would fit really well here but the injury concern is real.  People also have to remember some of these teams won’t trade then for less than a 3rd because they get compensatory picks for guys leaving in FA.

Why would the Bears reads hmm?  They just spent a 2nd on him and he’s really good.  

 

Miller hasn't proven to be a spark for the Bears' offense this season under Trubisky (Chicago is 29th passing) and Robert Foster's faster; the Bills could sell the Bears on Foster's speed, his youth---they're around the same age--- and his rookie production. The Bears need RB help, as their ground game has fallen off from just a season ago, and they could be looking for draft picks seeing how they have no picks until the fifth round after their first two picks. 

[BurpleBull]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

I loved Anthony Miller pre-draft, and I would love to have him... That being said, I have two issues with this: 

 

1- I don't think he's what's missing in our lineup. he's very much a possession type receiver with some added athleticism. He isn't very big, and he isn't the fastest guy. 

 

2- I don't want to trade Bobby. I don't know what's wrong with him this year, but I think he's gonna get back at some point, and I don't want it to be for another team. 

 

I stated in another thread that Robert Foster of last season is what's missing from the Bills' offense this season, but he wasn't even that presence through preseason.

 

Is his absence this season totally due to injury or from a failure to progress significantly from where he left off last year?

 

Only the coaches know the deal, but my gut feeling is that it's the latter...I have no proof, that's just my feeling. 

 

I think it's a realistic trade possibility. Not saying the receiver search ends by acquiring Anthony Miller, I just think the team would just be getting another solid option to throw to moving forward; Miller was a standout in college, one of the physically stronger WR's at the Combine, has good, not great speed, strong hands (I understand he has the occasional focus drop), and would bring the same flare (personality-wise) as Foster that can rev up a crowd and teammates after a big play, which we don't really get from Beasley or Brown. 

 

I'm all for waiting on Robert Foster if his lack of action is squarely due to injury, but if not, I'd make a play for Miller because he could become commodity if Trubisky and the Bears offense were to get it together. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I stated in another thread that Robert Foster of last season is what's missing from the Bills' offense this season, but he wasn't even that presence through preseason.

 

Is his absence this season totally due to injury or from a failure to progress significantly from where he left off last year?

 

Only the coaches know the deal, but my gut feeling is that it's the latter...I have no proof, that's just my feeling. 

 

I think it's a realistic trade possibility. Not saying the receiver search ends by acquiring Anthony Miller, I just think the team would just be getting another solid option to throw to moving forward; Miller was a standout in college, one of the physically stronger WR's at the Combine, has good, not great speed, strong hands (I understand he has the occasional focus drop), and would bring the same flare (personality-wise) as Foster that can rev up a crowd and teammates after a big play, which we don't really get from Beasley or Brown. 

 

I'm all for waiting on Robert Foster if his lack of action is squarely due to injury, but if not, I'd make a play for Miller because he could become commodity if Trubisky and the Bears offense were to get it together. 

 

WR was a main targeted position in the offseason and since the beginning of camp...Foster wasn't really involved.  

I think it's the latter too.

[whatdrought]

10 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

I stated in another thread that Robert Foster of last season is what's missing from the Bills' offense this season, but he wasn't even that presence through preseason.

 

Is his absence this season totally due to injury or from a failure to progress significantly from where he left off last year?

 

Only the coaches know the deal, but my gut feeling is that it's the latter...I have no proof, that's just my feeling. 

 

I think it's a realistic trade possibility. Not saying the receiver search ends by acquiring Anthony Miller, I just think the team would just be getting another solid option to throw to moving forward; Miller was a standout in college, one of the physically stronger WR's at the Combine, has good, not great speed, strong hands (I understand he has the occasional focus drop), and would bring the same flare (personality-wise) as Foster that can rev up a crowd and teammates after a big play, which we don't really get from Beasley or Brown. 

 

I'm all for waiting on Robert Foster if his lack of action is squarely due to injury, but if not, I'd make a play for Miller because he could become commodity if Trubisky and the Bears offense were to get it together. 

 

I'm fine with Miller- good replacement for Zay in that "sure handed, does a lot well, nothing perfect" kind of role. I just don't see the point in selling low on Foster. He's ours for the time being and I don't think anyone is shelling out for him at this point so I'd rather keep him and see what happens. 

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

It's a dereliction of duty for the Bengals to not move him, but they're a bad organization, so who knows?

Would they get a 3rd if he leaves in free agency?

[C.Biscuit97]

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Would they get a 3rd if he leaves in free agency?

Yeah. That’s why it needs to be higher than that.  

39 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

Miller hasn't proven to be a spark for the Bears' offense this season under Trubisky (Chicago is 29th passing) and Robert Foster's faster; the Bills could sell the Bears on Foster's speed, his youth---they're around the same age--- and his rookie production. The Bears need RB help, as their ground game has fallen off from just a season ago, and they could be looking for draft picks seeing how they have no picks until the fifth round after their first two picks. 

Miller is being held back by their qbs.  Foster, minus the end of the last year, has really produced in the NFL or college.  I don’t know why the Bears would do that, but if you can make happen, I’d love it.  I think Miller could be really good in the right system. 

[Heitz]

Schein on AJ Green (with a mention of His Guy, Josh Allen):