njbuff Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, MR8 said: I hope we sign Deone Bucannon sooner rather than later, he's a great fit for our defense in the similar mold to Edmunds and Milano... he's a converted safety with great rangey speed but can also play in the box. I can actually see McBeane doing this. They cannot be to thrilled with Maurice Alexander’s game as a fill-in starter. But that’s for them to decipher. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) He is totally playing like a #1. I wouldn't think of him like AJ Green, but Brown has been damn good for this team and Josh. Josh could be better to him sometimes haha. I still think this team is missing that big box out type receiver that just catches the ball. Maybe Duke can be it, I don't know yet. Edited October 21, 2019 by Scott7975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Now imagine if we added a guy as good as Julio, OBJ, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 (edited) The #1 reciever argument is one that NOBODY is right or wrong on because there IS NO DEFINITION OF A TRUE #1 Larry Fitz played the slot for most of his career and Andre Reed is credited as pioneering the slot role... Were they not #1s from the slot? Then you have the size traditionalists.. who think you need to be xyz height weight speed to be a #1 Then you have common cents people who will point out ALL 32 teams have a reciever who is technically their #1 Does a all pro or pro bowler only make a 1? What about finishing top 32 in yards and catches? There is no clear cut definition of a #1 WR and most fans like to peg it into a Julio Jones or AJ Green type role. But the reality is those aren't #1.. they are Hall of Famers and immensely harder to find A #1 reciever is a guy who can run all or most of the route tree , is reliable, beats coverage consistently and is a natural hands catcher There doenst need to be a height weight speed attachment to it in 2019 If you do the bolded you are a #1 in the NFL Edited October 21, 2019 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Very impressed with Brown. I will admit I didn't know too much about him. At the time he signed, I just read he was doing well with Flacco but once Lamar took over at QB his targets dropped off quite a bit. I'm most impressed with the deep in, outs, and crossing patterns he has run. He is money on those 17-22 yard patterns. Always seems to get nice separation. It is a pass Allen really throws well when he has time in the pocket to stand tall and deliver a deep ball to a WR that is not going away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Very impressed with Brown. I will admit I didn't know too much about him. At the time he signed, I just read he was doing well with Flacco but once Lamar took over at QB his targets dropped off quite a bit. I'm most impressed with the deep in, outs, and crossing patterns he has run. He is money on those 17-22 yard patterns. Always seems to get nice separation. It is a pass Allen really throws well when he has time in the pocket to stand tall and deliver a deep ball to a WR that is not going away from him. He has been money with those 17-22 yarders because that is about the space necessary that defenders are beginning to commit to a deeper bomb pass that they have to defend because of his speed and he turns them around and gets that underneath 20 yarder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Just imagine how good John Brown would be if there was a big fast can separate AND Catch guy across from him? To me these there the things needed to get this O into the top 10 OL Cohesion One more legit pass threat Not sure this is the year, bc the offense has a ways to go....McBeanes need another offseason to keep building the offensive roster talent... getting there. Isaiah Mckenzie is not an NFL player and neither was Zay Jones.. Gore, Brown, Beasley and Kroft are NFL players. Singletary, Foster, Duke and the rookie TEs might be, can't tell yet. Kroft needs to get going. Lotta very raw young guys runnin around out there in the offensive skill positions (including the QB) which means things will come and go They are getting there. Can only do so much in one offseason. Plus Allen needs to mature, and he is. I can see the top 10 teams holding them to under 15 points without too much trouble. Allen just isn't there. He's still running around a lot thinking about the long ball.. he'll be ok.. just needs some time, so does Singletary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Brown knows what he’s doing, and why he’s doing it, he was a great signing. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Not sure this is the year, bc the offense has a ways to go....McBeanes need another offseason to keep building the offensive roster talent... getting there. Isaiah Mckenzie is not an NFL player and neither was Zay Jones.. Gore, Brown, Beasley and Kroft are NFL players. Singletary, Foster, Duke and the rookie TEs might be, can't tell yet. Kroft needs to get going. Lotta very raw young guys runnin around out there in the offensive skill positions (including the QB) which means things will come and go They are getting there. Can only do so much in one offseason. Plus Allen needs to mature, and he is. I can see the top 10 teams holding them to under 15 points without too much trouble. Allen just isn't there. He's still running around a lot thinking about the long ball.. he'll be ok.. just needs some time, so does Singletary I personally am enjoying Josh Allen's journey....he was so raw coming into the league.....he is so used to playing hero ball trying to win games.....I see improvements.....still not completely consistant. But he will get there...I have absolutely no doubt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Best free agent acquisition in years. He doesn’t disappoint. We need another solid pass catching target that can get open on the reg, but Im ok with JB as our 1. He’s really really good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, GreggTX said: Now imagine if we added a guy as good as Julio, OBJ, etc. I cant because they aren't available, and if they were they would cost more than Beane would be willing to pay... So unless we get one of them in the draft maybe, but might be hard picking 28... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I was surprised how good of hands JB has. He has made some very tough catches. I remember the commentator saying, at first glance that a catch would be overturned, because it looked so difficult, there's no way he caught it. But he was able to get his hands under it and corral it. He really could have 2 or 3 more TD's if he and JA could connect on some of those deep balls. I get that all qbs overthrow receivers, but Brown was beyond college open, behind the defense a few times lol. Only a matter of time imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, NC Book said: I was surprised how good of hands JB has. He has made some very tough catches. I remember the commentator saying, at first glance that a catch would be overturned, because it looked so difficult, there's no way he caught it. But he was able to get his hands under it and corral it. He really could have 2 or 3 more TD's if he and JA could connect on some of those deep balls. I get that all qbs overthrow receivers, but Brown was beyond college open, behind the defense a few times lol. Only a matter of time imo. I have been hoping to see Allen and Brown connect more downfield, and yes, Brown has gotten behind defenses. Brown has been doing his part, so sooner or later they will click. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 We could throw to him every play. He needs 12 targets a game and this is on Daboll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: We could throw to him every play. He needs 12 targets a game and this is on Daboll. We definately need to see more of Brown. He is the Bills best receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 13 hours ago, BillsFan3434 said: The benefit of trading for a #1 receiver (AJ Green, Stefon Diggs comes to mind) is not only their potential, but also now we have much better match ups. For example: John Brown always attracts their #1 corner. The other team's Tre'Davious White, if you will. Now John Brown gets their Levi Wallace or Taron Johnson (#2 corner). Cole Beasley and Duke Williams gets their 3rd and 4th best corner. We will be a matchup nightmare. We don't need to throw it to AJ Green every play, but they have to cover him. And often it will be with two people. That's how peerless price put up the monster numbers with Buffalo, they rolled coverage to moulds and PP had 1v1 all game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 16 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He sucks. Lol, he's not a starter, he'd be rotational at best, but his athleticism and skills got him taken in the 1st round. The guy is much better than you're giving him credit for. He's well worth a flier on a FA signing with no risk. 15 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That Florida kid they drafted seems like he’s meant to be Milano’s back up. But I guess the way he landed on IR it’s not happening this season Yeah, Vosean Joseph, I was hoping they'd carry him onto the season so they could designate him to return, but I guess you don't do that with depth guys. He was a bit out matched in preseason before getting hurt. I think the game was moving a bit too fast for him. No way to know if it would've caught up by now, but he's a fantastic athlete as well. For now though they do need to get someone on the roster who can run better and be a coverage LBer like Milano... obviously not as good as Milano, but someone who can spot fill as needed. 14 hours ago, njbuff said: I can actually see McBeane doing this. They cannot be to thrilled with Maurice Alexander’s game as a fill-in starter. But that’s for them to decipher. ? They love guys with diverse skill sets. I mean in a pinch Buchannon can also play safety, I am not sure how good he's been on special teams though and that cold be the real question to his value. I need to do some research on that side of his game. See if there are reports from his time in Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, MR8 said: Lol, he's not a starter, he'd be rotational at best, but his athleticism and skills got him taken in the 1st round. The guy is much better than you're giving him credit for. He's well worth a flier on a FA signing with no risk. He is much worse than you ae giving him credit for. Honestly he is done in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He is much worse than you ae giving him credit for. Honestly he is done in the NFL. Hmmmm.... Giants signed LB Deone Bucannon. The 2014 first-round bust was waived by the Bucs 13 days ago. In theory, 27-year-old Bucannon brings versatility to a defense. In reality, he will probably begin as a healthy scratch and is unlikely to make it more than a few weeks in the Big Apple. SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter Oct 22, 2019, 4:14 PM ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 After he makes All Pro, Beane can tell all the undervalued FAs he is pursuing next offseason: “We look at you the way we looked at John Brown.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, MR8 said: Hmmmm.... Giants signed LB Deone Bucannon. The 2014 first-round bust was waived by the Bucs 13 days ago. In theory, 27-year-old Bucannon brings versatility to a defense. In reality, he will probably begin as a healthy scratch and is unlikely to make it more than a few weeks in the Big Apple. SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter Oct 22, 2019, 4:14 PM ET The Giants are barely an NFL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, MR8 said: Hmmmm.... Giants signed LB Deone Bucannon. The 2014 first-round bust was waived by the Bucs 13 days ago. In theory, 27-year-old Bucannon brings versatility to a defense. In reality, he will probably begin as a healthy scratch and is unlikely to make it more than a few weeks in the Big Apple. SOURCE: Jordan Raanan on Twitter Oct 22, 2019, 4:14 PM ET Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:08 PM, John from Riverside said: Just imagine how good John Brown would be if there was a big fast can separate AND Catch guy across from him? To me these there the things needed to get this O into the top 10 OL Cohesion One more legit pass threat Who is that across from Michael Thomas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:14 PM, SirAndrew said: The day of a big dominant play making number one WR being a necessity is over. There’s a variety of ways to put points on the board these days, and having a guy like Brown as the number one is more than good enough. With that said, the most important element in a modern offense is having more than one guy who can step up. Moving forward it’s going to be crucial for guys behind Brown and Beasley to make plays. I agree- I would rather have 3 WR that are in the second tier than a top WR and a bunch of scrubs. I right now can not think of a top WR who is dominant right now and the reason his team is winning- (possibly Michael Thomas) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 He is producing like one for sure. The Bills still need more punch at the WR position but they should feel good about Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Who is that across from Michael Thomas? 20+ years of starting experience at their QB position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 John Brown is a beast. My son and his college roommates were big Cards followers during the Carson Palmer greatest show on earth years (brown, boldin, Fitz ) and turned me on to him. He was injured a bit, but when healthy was the only guy I ever saw who could chase down Palmers long ball. We will see, but hopefully he will still be fast when Josh's brain catches up to his longball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmbchiefs66 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 John brown is a beast, has been since his arizona days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 He leads the team in catches and yards and is on pace for 80 grabs and 1200 yards. He is definitely our number one receiver, but maybe not in the traditional sense a dominant #1 is often thought of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsaikotic Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 during the game Lofton (I think) said Brown needed 3 more yards for some record or something but i couldnt hear it cuz someone in my house was yelling....what did he need 3 more yards for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: He leads the team in catches and yards and is on pace for 80 grabs and 1200 yards. He is definitely our number one receiver, but maybe not in the traditional sense a dominant #1 is often thought of. A #1 WR puts up #1 WR numbers. He's doing that so far. 2 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said: during the game Lofton (I think) said Brown needed 3 more yards for some record or something but i couldnt hear it cuz someone in my house was yelling....what did he need 3 more yards for? A cloud of dust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Doc said: A #1 WR puts up #1 WR numbers. He's doing that so far. Isn’t that what I said? I just also threw in that often when ppl think number 1, they want a Julio Jones or Amari Cooper dominating player. He isn’t this threat, but is definitely our number one by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 57 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: 20+ years of starting experience at their QB position? Doesn’t match the description. Plus, Bridgewater hasn’t been around nearly that long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Doesn’t match the description. Plus, Bridgewater hasn’t been around nearly that long Brees is in year 19 and Bridgewater is actually in his 6th year as a pro. When Allen is in his 6th season maybe he can execute an offense efficiently with just one superstar WR and a dynamic RB like Alvin Kamara. And I know you don't follow the rest of the league very closely(see your scoffing at Jason Peters being a HOF candidate) but while John Brown is nice.......on par with Michael Thomas he is most certainly not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Tsaikotic said: during the game Lofton (I think) said Brown needed 3 more yards for some record or something but i couldnt hear it cuz someone in my house was yelling....what did he need 3 more yards for? Most receiving yards in first 6 games to start Bills career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It always depends on how you use the phrase. Some people by a #1 mean what is often called "a true #1," generally a top 5 to 10 guy who consistently draws double teams and is obviously among the best in the league. Brown isn't one of those guys. But if you mean a guy who's the best WR on his team and is in the top 32 WRs in the league, he's absolutely doing that. He was an excellent pickup and seems to be among the top 20 or so in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: It always depends on how you use the phrase. Some people by a #1 mean what is often called "a true #1," generally a top 5 to 10 guy who consistently draws double teams and is obviously among the best in the league. Brown isn't one of those guys. But if you mean a guy who's the best WR on his team and is in the top 32 WRs in the league, he's absolutely doing that. He was an excellent pickup and seems to be among the top 20 or so in the league. Yeah agree... I’ll take Top 20 in the league the next 3 years at $9Mil a year.. Money well spent if he keeps it up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 (edited) On 10/22/2019 at 2:07 PM, Big Blitz said: We could throw to him every play. He needs 12 targets a game and this is on Daboll. Not a single receiver in the league is getting 12 targets a game, and only four are getting 10 or over. https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/reports/targets/wr.php On a team that is 18th in the league in pass attempts, they're throwing to Brown a lot. We're one of the run-heavier teams in the league (10th highest run:pass percentage) and that will only help Allen. Edited October 23, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Brees is in year 19 and Bridgewater is actually in his 6th year as a pro. When Allen is in his 6th season maybe he can execute an offense efficiently with just one superstar WR and a dynamic RB like Alvin Kamara. And I know you don't follow the rest of the league very closely(see your scoffing at Jason Peters being a HOF candidate) but while John Brown is nice.......on par with Michael Thomas he is most certainly not. yhe other poster wasn’t talking about QB. He was talking about Brown needing a big fast complimentary WR opposite him on the offense. I was pointing out Thomas....the OPs comparison....didn’t have one. ill buy you a ticket to Peters’s induction ceremony. Until then, you can watch him flailing away at the Bills front 7 on Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 2:08 PM, Special K said: I was happy when the Bills signed him, but he has exceeded my expectations. I wasn't aware how good of a route runner he is....always finds a way to get separation and get open. He also catches everything then his way ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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