MNF: Detroit at Green Bay

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

It doesn’t even matter.  They don’t overturn obvious missed calls.  Even if they could’ve challenged those hands to the face penalties, they would’ve stood. 

Well that's a problem they need to get fixed as well Riveron is ridiculous.

[Boatdrinks]

Just seeing LaFleurs locker room rah rah postgame was cringey... “ don’t know how we pulled this off being minus three” Well yes, you do know and so does everyone who watched. Maybe say great job men and that’s about it 

[Doc Brown]

I usually give the refs the benefit of the doubt because the game moves so quickly but that was pure garbage.  Ref crew should be fired.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Just seeing LaFleurs locker room rah rah postgame was cringey... “ don’t know how we pulled this off being minus three” Well yes, you do know and so does everyone who watched. Maybe say great job men and that’s about it 

I mean unless he paid them off it's not his fault and he still needs to focus on his team and their season.

[Nextmanup]

This game was another good example of why "instant replay" is a farce and you are never going to "get it right" in the end in every situation. 

 

The game is still filled with as many errors as in the old days, only now it takes longer to play and has lots more delays.

 

They should scrap the entire system and go back to a call on the field system, period.

 

 

[r00tabaga]

Refs are really bad this year. Such a shame that we aren't talking about the players or coaches.

Really, really sad.

[Nextmanup]

19 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

You must not have watched any patriots games in the past 20 years...

Yeah right.  Name a specific game that had this level of referee control, twice, which literally reversed the outcome of the game.

 

 

[Warcodered]

12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

This game was another good example of why "instant replay" is a farce and you are never going to "get it right" in the end in every situation. 

 

The game is still filled with as many errors as in the old days, only now it takes longer to play and has lots more delays.

 

They should scrap the entire system and go back to a call on the field system, period.

 

 

So your answer to ***** reffing is ignorance. ?

Edited October 15, 2019 by Warcodered

[Chandler#81]

Jesus, folks! Lions have whooped ‘em 4 straight games. MNF In GB? #TurntheTide

 

Love the idea of a post game chat with refs!

[Bookie Man]

Smart, retired NFL players would make the best refs I think. Better than these bums they trot out every week. There's have to be some limits though. You couldn't have Steve Smith out there doing Panther games  or Peyton doing the Broncos haha. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, NC Book said:

Smart, retired NFL players would make the best refs I think. Better than these bums they trot out every week. There's have to be some limits though. You couldn't have Steve Smith out there doing Panther games  or Peyton doing the Broncos haha. 

 

Peyton couldn’t do it for conflicts with his commercial filming schedule, and he’s slightly less mobile than the goal posts. 

[poblano]

19 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah right.  Name a specific game that had this level of referee control, twice, which literally reversed the outcome of the game.

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

15 minutes ago, poblano said:

 

Yeah I remember that one.... Lee Evans  drops game winner in the end zone 

[Buffarukus]

wow just got home and all i watched on the subject was this video so i dont see a pi issue but hands to the face TWICE that gives gb a easy fg and lets them kill time so det has zero chance to get it back!!? 

 

 

 

 

im sorry but this crap needs to end. if there is any question to a call then you cant throw the flag! time and again officials have a power trip or flat out show bias. its ruining the fun of watching and goodell has done nothing to address it. bad calls happen but even clear reviews arent changing them. it stinks of corruption at this point and if the league is blatenly corrupt then the outcome is pointless to care about. guys are flopping to get calls. outcomes are changing at a alarming rate and thier is rarly a sucessful play without a little yellow banner poping up where you hold your breath wondering if it will stand. 

 

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Buffarukus

[MJS]

14 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

wow just got home and all i watched on the subject was this video so i dont see a pi issue but hands to the face TWICE that gives gb a easy fg and lets them kill time so det has zero chance to get it back!!? 

 

 

 

 

im sorry but this crap needs to end. if there is any question to a call then you cant throw the flag! time and again officials have a power trip or flat out show bias. its ruining the fun of watching and goodell has done nothing to address it. bad calls happen but even clear reviews arent changing them. it stinks of corruption at this point and if the league is blatenly corrupt then the outcome is pointless to care about. guys are flopping to get calls. outcomes are changing at a alarming rate and thier is rarly a sucessful play without a little yellow banner poping up where you hold your breath wondering if it will stand. 

 

I can see why they called those. Both cases his hand was really high and it looked like it was on his neck. The linemen had his head arched back as if his head or neck was being pressed on. As a ref you have to call them as you see them. Don't want to get called? Keep your hands lower.

 

Plenty of other crappy calls to focus on, though. Officials have not been good.

[Buffarukus]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I can see why they called those. Both cases his hand was really high and it looked like it was on his neck. The linemen had his head arched back as if his head or neck was being pressed on. As a ref you have to call them as you see them. Don't want to get called? Keep your hands lower.

 

Plenty of other crappy calls to focus on, though. Officials have not been good.

not really your 2 ft away...twice. you saying dont want to get called keep your hands down is a oversimplication. your bulllrushing a huge human being and leverage is a absolute to winning the battle. there is zero rule about putting your hand on the chest or shoulderpad but avoid it cause a blind official might make a terrable call? TWICE? even tho its a valid technique that he has prob been taught since hs and as the announcer states a foul he has had zero problems with in the past he should preemptively stopped doing that legal thing that was having success. 

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Buffarukus

[Jasovon]

2 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah right.  Name a specific game that had this level of referee control, twice, which literally reversed the outcome of the game.

 

 

Bills loss to the seahawks on TNF  a few years back.

[Warcodered]

You've got to ***** up pretty bad for the fans of the team you helped to be pissed at you too.

 

[Búfalo Blanco]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay/2019/10/14/detroit-lions-at-green-bay-packers-monday-night-football-week-6-tv-schedule-odds-and-picks/

 

“Green Bay was swept by this opponent in each of the last two seasons, but oddsmakers believe that string of losses will come to an end this evening. The books have installed the Packers as a 3.5-point favorite on Monday Night Football, but that line has shifted rather significantly since opening at GB -6. The public isn’t responsible for this adjustment, as approximately two-thirds of all bets (66%) and cash wagered (68%) against the spread is backing the home side. The sharps have been pounding the Lions ever since the game went up on the board, forcing a big swing in Detroit’s favor. The total has been far more stable, dropping just a half-point since starting at 46.5 points. The public is clearly rooting for a high-scoring battle, evidenced by 68% of tickets and 67% of money wagered on the over.”

 

???

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Crazy how a few plays can change a game.

 

If Hockenson catches the ball for a TD instead of Detroit settles for a FG.

 

A little latter Greenbay kicks a FG but Detroit has too many on the field and the former gets a TD.

 

One of these goes the other way in Detroit wins.

 

Also two unnecessary flags against Trey flowers for hands to the face, which never happened; refs suck.

 

 

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Jesus, folks! Lions have whooped ‘em 4 straight games. MNF In GB? #TurntheTide

 

Love the idea of a post game chat with refs!

 

refs need to quit throwing flags, put em in your pocket and keep them there unless there is an OBVIOUS infraction. These ticky tak calls and out right misses are ruining the game.

 

something needs to be done asap because its getting atrocious.

 

 

Edited October 15, 2019 by Buffalo Barbarian

[GunnerBill]

Lions got absolutely hosed by the refs last night. If we think the Patriots get calls then you would not want to be a fan of one of the other three NFC North teams. Packers at Lambeau are the beneficiaries of atrocious refereeing calls pretty much every time they play at home. 

[Bleed Bills Blue]

Makes you question what the real reason is for the foundational emphasis on parity in the NFL.

[ALF]

The NFL has a serious officiating problem

Referee blunders continue to be the story of the 2019 NFL season

 

https://wgr550.radio.com/articles/opinion/nfl-has-serious-officiating-problem

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

IMHO it's more of a rules problem.

 

Chasing the infamous "get it right" holy grail will never happen.

 

Some believe we need to make all rules completely objective,  that's not the answer because its impossible.

 

If you must have replay, then limit it to scoring plays.

 

Allow and live with fact that officiating involves judgement.

 

Do you really want them to make a marginal call that had no bearing, and was 50 yards away?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I've said it before, I'll say it again. 

 

 

OFFICIATING IS RUINING THE NFL!!!

 

 

if things don't change pronto it wont be worth watching anymore.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

IMHO it's more of a rules problem.

 

Chasing the infamous "get it right" holy grail will never happen.

 

Some believe we need to make all rules completely objective,  that's not the answer because its impossible.

 

If you must have replay, then limit it to scoring plays.

 

Allow and live with fact that officiating involves judgement.

 

Do you really want them to make a marginal call that had no bearing, and was 50 yards away?

 

I would be fine with scoring plays and turnovers only and no initiated challenges. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

I would be fine with scoring plays and turnovers only and no initiated challenges. 

Agreed that would be much better.

 

I have a friend who has officiated many sports for years. He believes that simplification and acceptance that some judgement is necessary and  the only way out of the mess. He calls the NFL a reactionary league, add a rule or subsection to a rule and voila problem solved.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Agreed that would be much better.

 

I have a friend who has officiated many sports for years. He believes that simplification and acceptance that some judgement is necessary and  the only way out of the mess. He calls the NFL a reactionary league, add a rule or subsection to a rule and voila problem solved.

 

I agree. They over engineer a solution to every problem. 

 

Scoring plays and turnovers and the threshold for overturning being clear and obvious proof that the on field call is wrong. Nothing winds me up like coaches challenging the spot of the ball. Refs are not robots. Being an inch or two out on a spot will happen a dozen times a game. That being challengeable is a nonsense. 

[JaCrispy]

8 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

This game was another good example of why "instant replay" is a farce and you are never going to "get it right" in the end in every situation. 

 

The game is still filled with as many errors as in the old days, only now it takes longer to play and has lots more delays.

 

They should scrap the entire system and go back to a call on the field system, period.

 

 

I will take it one step further and say replay actually makes the situation worse...to get the call wrong at game speed is one thing- but to review the play and still make the wrong call just makes the whole league look foolish...otherwise, why have replay in the first place?

[hemma]

Pretty bad.  I'm still recovering from:

 - Easter bunnies not laying edible chocolate eggs all over the yard (age 4)

- The Tooth Fairy NOT putting that quarter under my pillow (age 5)

- The whole Santa Claus debacle (age 7)

- Professional Wrestlers rehearsing their moves with each other (age 43)

 

Refs like that make the game look fixed.

Edited October 15, 2019 by hemma

[Goldenrod2000]

9 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

The sketchiest part is it seemed like the refs almost called the flags when the play was either over or A rod was in deep trouble 

My thoughts exactly.  If they legitimately thought they saw hands to the face, they would have thrown the flag then and there.  They wouldn't have waited until the play was over.  Also the Packers o line was clearly holding on both of those hands to the face calls and they ignored it

[Sherlock Holmes]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah right.  Name a specific game that had this level of referee control, twice, which literally reversed the outcome of the game.

 

 

Our last game versus them... 5 intentional groundings let go intentionally.

[sullim4]

This is one thing that the AAF got right - add an additional zebra in the press box that can view the replays while the on-field officials discuss the merits of the call.

 

The "Sky Judge" has the power to overrule any call made by an on-field official.  No need to stop the game, just use the time between plays to do so, and buzz down to the field if something is wrong to immediately change a call.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I agree. They over engineer a solution to every problem. 

 

Scoring plays and turnovers and the threshold for overturning being clear and obvious proof that the on field call is wrong. Nothing winds me up like coaches challenging the spot of the ball. Refs are not robots. Being an inch or two out on a spot will happen a dozen times a game. That being challengeable is a nonsense. 

 

They could use technology to get better outcomes. RFID chips in balls would absolutely confirm ball placement and whether a ball crosses the goaline. The NFL steals ideas from other leagues eventually so expect an AAF-style Sky Judge in a few years.

[dollars 2 donuts]

They are 2-2-1 and yet I can't help but think they are among the top 12 teams in the League.

 

Do I think the Raiders at 3-2 are better than them?  No way.

 

Chicago, Dallas, Philly?      No.

[Dr. K]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Yeah right.  Name a specific game that had this level of referee control, twice, which literally reversed the outcome of the game.

 

 

The "Just give it to them"  Bills-Pats game. Two egregious calls on the Pats last drive to give them the game. 

 

https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2011/6/16/2225057/buffalo-bills-walk-off-foxboro-patriots

 

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

They could use technology to get better outcomes. RFID chips in balls would absolutely confirm ball placement and whether a ball crosses the goaline. The NFL steals ideas from other leagues eventually so expect an AAF-style Sky Judge in a few years.

 

Yea I'd be okay with microchipped balls if they can make that work for ball placement. It just should never be reviewable by Head Coaches. It is the most pointless review in the book. 

[Real McClappy]

Wow, just watched the plays. Lions got absolutely hosed. 

 

Poor bastards.... Something has to change before the season is even over it's so bad right now. 

[RememberTheRockpile]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

They could use technology to get better outcomes. RFID chips in balls would absolutely confirm ball placement and whether a ball crosses the goaline. 

 

RFID doesn't do what you think it does.

[Dan]

But don't we see this every year, almost every week?  How many years have we all been saying that poor officiating is ruining the game? I mean... it is true.  I rarely watch non-Bills games any more. I might watch a bit here and there, but can you really get invested in a game when you just absolutely know that the refs are going to do their best to ensure an upset doesn't happen?

 

is it just lousy officials?  Poor training on their part?  Over complicated rules?  Or game-fixing for the odds makers?  I'm not sure.  But, one thing I'm sure of... It's going to continue.  The league is either unwilling or unable to correct it.

 

What would I do?  Get rid of Riveron, simplify the rules to make them more black and white, add a ref or 2 either on the field or in the box, and find the refs ..substantially.. for obviously blown calls (or just fire them).   But that is one of the worst things in all this.. There is zero accountablity by the league or the refs when they practically gifted a win to Greenbay.