peterpan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 It's the bye week so I figured I'd start this thread. The NFL clearly wants to make the game safer. So far, I feel like their rule changes have, for the most part, made the game worse. They are too protective of the QB (see Matt Milano last week) as one example. In my opinion, one of the easiest ways to make the game safer, without ruining it, is to adopt the college rule where players do not need to be contacted while.on the ground. Once you are touching the ground, you are down. With that change, any player sliding or diving would be protected, as there's no reason to hit them. WRs diving or going low to catch a pass wouldn't need to be hit. No more defenders diving low to hit players already on the ground. What other ideas do y'all have? 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 No, its the difference between amateur an proffesional. You will never make the game safe as long as you have 2 abnormally huge men smashing into each other. Guys are only going to get bigger and stronger. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, peterpan said: It's the bye week so I figured I'd start this thread. The NFL clearly wants to make the game safer. So far, I feel like their rule changes have, for the most part, made the game worse. They are too protective of the QB (see Matt Milano last week) as one example. In my opinion, one of the easiest ways to make the game safer, without ruining it, is to adopt the college rule where players do not need to be contacted while.on the ground. Once you are touching the ground, you are down. With that change, any player sliding or diving would be protected, as there's no reason to hit them. WRs diving or going low to catch a pass wouldn't need to be hit. No more defenders diving low to hit players already on the ground. What other ideas do y'all have? It would take a while for fans to get used to it, but it's a good idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 They could start by making the rules applicable to everyone... #LookinAtYouJonathonJones 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, peterpan said: It's the bye week so I figured I'd start this thread. The NFL clearly wants to make the game safer. So far, I feel like their rule changes have, for the most part, made the game worse. They are too protective of the QB (see Matt Milano last week) as one example. In my opinion, one of the easiest ways to make the game safer, without ruining it, is to adopt the college rule where players do not need to be contacted while.on the ground. Once you are touching the ground, you are down. With that change, any player sliding or diving would be protected, as there's no reason to hit them. WRs diving or going low to catch a pass wouldn't need to be hit. No more defenders diving low to hit players already on the ground. What other ideas do y'all have? I think this is a fantastic idea. I also think there needs to be some sort of consistency with how/when "forward progress being stopped," is identified. I think that would make the game safer. Edited October 10, 2019 by Gugny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, peterpan said: In my opinion, one of the easiest ways to make the game safer, without ruining it, is to adopt the college rule where players do not need to be contacted while.on the ground. Once you are touching the ground, you are down. With that change, any player sliding or diving would be protected, as there's no reason to hit them. WRs diving or going low to catch a pass wouldn't need to be hit. No more defenders diving low to hit players already on the ground. I was thinking the exact same thing. It’s truly a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Chris66 said: No, its the difference between amateur an proffesional. You will never make the game safe as long as you have 2 abnormally huge men smashing into each other. Guys are only going to get bigger and stronger. Dirty hits aren't professional. I think the idea is fine. It's hasn't ruined the college game one bit. Very different from the 2 feet inbounds catch rule difference. THAT is an actual demonstration of professional vs amateur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 the college game has plenty of targeting calls even with the play considered finished with ground contact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Wasn't it Plaxico Burress who, after his first career reception, went to the ground during the catch - untouched - then got up and spiked the ball in celebration? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 designate 2-hand touch only players, like in practice, with bright neon jerseys. This will also open up the league to female players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Anytime somebody touches Josh Allen it is an automatic penalty. The Bills can pelt Tom Brady with Dildos and turn every play into WWE finishing moves on said @$$hole. Bills can hold as much as they damn well please. Bills can run pick plays as often as they like. Bills can interfere on both offense and defense as much as they like. Any flag thrown on the Bills is automatically picked up without explanation. Anytime the Bills don't score a TD there is an automatic pass interference placing the ball at the 1 yard line. Every time the Bills score they just get 8 points because they obviously would've converted the 2 point attempt. 5 minutes ago, Gugny said: Wasn't it Plaxico Burress who, after his first career reception, went to the ground during the catch - untouched - then got up and spiked the ball in celebration? Really shot himself in the foot there didn't he?! 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 A friend of mine had this idea: weight limits for offensive and defensive linemen. That’s actually where most of the concussions occur— if you force everyone to play at 250 pounds or less (like they did in the 1970s), it may reduce concussive impacts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 21 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Anytime somebody touches Josh Allen it is an automatic penalty. The Bills can pelt Tom Brady with Dildos and turn every play into WWE finishing moves on said @$$hole. Bills can hold as much as they damn well please. Bills can run pick plays as often as they like. Bills can interfere on both offense and defense as much as they like. Any flag thrown on the Bills is automatically picked up without explanation. Anytime the Bills don't score a TD there is an automatic pass interference placing the ball at the 1 yard line. Every time the Bills score they just get 8 points because they obviously would've converted the 2 point attempt. Really shot himself in the foot there didn't he?! This looks just like the letter Bob "Stick Your Fingers in my Butt" Kraft sends to referees each week accompanying the big check! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Dirty hits aren't professional. I think the idea is fine. It's hasn't ruined the college game one bit. Very different from the 2 feet inbounds catch rule difference. THAT is an actual demonstration of professional vs amateur. he's a pats* fan so there is that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynical Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: A friend of mine had this idea: weight limits for offensive and defensive linemen. That’s actually where most of the concussions occur— if you force everyone to play at 250 pounds or less (like they did in the 1970s), it may reduce concussive impacts. Somehwere Dick Jauron is laughing hysterically. Ok, no he his not. Skelator is unable to express emotion. I can understand the theory, but it's not like the guys from the 70's didn't suffer long lasting health conditions themselves. 41 minutes ago, row_33 said: the college game has plenty of targeting calls even with the play considered finished with ground contact. You will never eliminate illegal contact. However, stopping the play as soon as the ball carrier touches the ground, touched or untouched, will reduce the number of hits they do take. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 45 minutes ago, unbillievable said: designate 2-hand touch only players, like in practice, with bright neon jerseys. This will also open up the league to female players. Yeah, I hear this is exactly what women have been waiting for- to be chased around by overgrown men with Russian Olympic team levels of testosterone, who are getting paid millions to grope them in a full contact sport. Sounds more like MeToo Hand Touch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: A friend of mine had this idea: weight limits for offensive and defensive linemen. I’d be interested to hear more of your friend’s ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: A friend of mine had this idea: weight limits for offensive and defensive linemen. That’s actually where most of the concussions occur— if you force everyone to play at 250 pounds or less (like they did in the 1970s), it may reduce concussive impacts. Sounds like pee wee football where kids big for their size cannot play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) I like two college rules, the targeting rule they use and how they say a player is down once they hit the ground. I would also like to see the NFL adopt more of a college style of overtime as well. Edited October 10, 2019 by H2o 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 The NFL definitely needs to adopt the NCAA's targeting rules, where the play is reviewed and the offending player is ejected. The NFL could take it a step further where that player only receives a portion of their game check (the portion they played) on top of fines. Repeat offenders face suspensions. As it stands now, a possible penalty and maybe a slap on the wrist from the NFL is just not a deterrent for this type of play. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I agree the NFL needs to adopt a few things from college ..overtime targeting and that rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: This looks just like the letter Bob "Stick Your Fingers in my Butt" Kraft sends to referees each week accompanying the big check! I figured why not even things up for a change, you know since we should be on top the AFC East if rules were applied fairly to Mrs. Brady. You know 5 intentional groundings alone or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 36 minutes ago, H2o said: I like two college rules, the targeting rule they use and how they say a player is down once they hit the ground. I would also like to see the NFL adopt more of a college style of overtime as well. I hate all of those ideas. Every single one of them. Please no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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row_33 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: A friend of mine had this idea: weight limits for offensive and defensive linemen. That’s actually where most of the concussions occur— if you force everyone to play at 250 pounds or less (like they did in the 1970s), it may reduce concussive impacts. the NFL rules dictated that someone could not be over 250 pounds out there in the 70s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, row_33 said: the NFL rules dictated that someone could not be over 250 pounds out there in the 70s? no— poorly worded sentence. In the 70s, it seemed like most linemen were naturally that size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) This is so simple even a cave man can figure it out Edited October 10, 2019 by ddaryl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 ...officiating continues to become far more complex, with unclear definitions and more gray areas left open to interpretation.....and the quality continues to decline and the game suffers due to rampant inconsistencies.........should have Officiating OTA's.......gather 'em all up and start with intensive classroom study to learn the "spirit/intent of the rule(s)".......sessions to review significant prior year's calls that were dubious and what the calls should have been......then move them to Officiating TC with live demos, on field stuff, positioning, etc......a ton to digest in a play that last seconds, but something is needed.....who the hell am I kidding?........all we need is Riveron so ignore my useless babble...SMH.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Its an unsafe game. How much more can you do? They already have turned tackling the QB into 2 hand touch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Here's one: if you injure a player and get flagged for a personal foul on the play, you're automatically suspended until that player is physically capable of playing again, as determined by an independent medical person. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 31 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Its an unsafe game. How much more can you do? They already have turned tackling the QB into 2 hand touch. Exactly. The safest approach here, by far, is to not play football in the first place. Either violence and injury sustained for entertainment is socially acceptable or it isn't. If it is, leave it more or less as it is. It's never going to be safe. If it isn't, stop playing the game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Exactly. The safest approach here, by far, is to not play football in the first place. Either violence and injury sustained for entertainment is socially acceptable or it isn't. If it is, leave it more or less as it is. It's never going to be safe. If it isn't, stop playing the game. ...so how did a guy like Bflo's own Billy Shaw, take time off from mixing cement in the 60's to come to Bflo to play ball for a whopping 18 grand a year, followed by a beer and butt every post game in front of his locker?......and then return home to mix more cement, which he did until age 66 to gain full social security because his NFL pension was so huge (COUGH)....what exactly has changed from then to now as far as the physicality of the sport?....bigger, stronger, faster?...sure..BUT it is on BOTH sides of the ball....isn't today's advancement in protective equipment technology FAR superior versus then?.....so what gives?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDogg20 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 No more rule changes please. I fear the refs even have difficulty keeping up with the new rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: no— poorly worded sentence. In the 70s, it seemed like most linemen were naturally that size. i remember one of the first 300 pounders, an O-lineman for the Oilers, he got injured and they had to bring out a forklift to assist in getting him off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, peterpan said: It's the bye week so I figured I'd start this thread...... Quote What other ideas do y'all have? The only way to make it safe.....is to make EVERY week a bye week! The human body was not meant to play this game. I heard that from a professional GM. ? They still hit you when you slide, just ask Josh. He’s fair game. Brady is untouchable. It’s like The Jordan Rules, but for football. . Edited October 10, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: So. What you are saying, is that the Bills/Refs (in concert) should adopt the 'Patriot Way'... Nah, apparently they don't get special treatment... This is The Bills Way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 21 hours ago, Gugny said: Wasn't it Plaxico Burress who, after his first career reception, went to the ground during the catch - untouched - then got up and spiked the ball in celebration? Don't know the answer, but it certainly sounds like something he would have done. Warming up for spiking a bullet in his thigh! edit - Yup, it was him Edited October 11, 2019 by Steve O update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Good idea OP. I would also like to bring back the bump and run. Some day, most collisions in the game will be eliminated. Nearly every former NFL player tested has had some brain damage. You can only do so much to protect the brain because the collision that causes brain damage is the "2nd collision" where the brain hits the inside of the skull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 16 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Good idea OP. I would also like to bring back the bump and run. Some day, most collisions in the game will be eliminated. Nearly every former NFL player tested has had some brain damage. You can only do so much to protect the brain because the collision that causes brain damage is the "2nd collision" where the brain hits the inside of the skull. the end of the bump and run was the pivotal point for my NFL watching (since 1973) a combo of Mel Blount's tactics and Tatum paralyzing Stingley put the new rule into motion in 1978??? hasn't been the same since... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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