Not at the table Karlos Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 38 minutes ago, row_33 said: Not sure why ao many people had some romantic fantasy about them suddenly being a great team I didn’t understand the hype. Their O-Line, LBs and secondary outside of ward aren’t that good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I've said it before and still believe it, Baker is close to if not at what he is. Not saying that's terrible, but he doesn't have much more upside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: I didn’t understand the hype. Their O-Line, LBs and secondary outside of ward aren’t that good. Their whole starting secondary was out last night. I think Ward is good but he is not being utilized well in Wilkes D. He runs a zone D and Ward is best in man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: When was Baker my guy? I thought you were the big Baker booster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 I know that they will ‘flex schedule’ a team into the prime time spot if it’s performing well. Have they every flexed one out for being a dud? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, transient said: Yes, but did you know Hulu has live sports? That's the problem. He still hasn't bought his line camo jet skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 After all of this though all they need to do is beat the Ravens this week and they will be atop the AFC north. They have their whole season ahead of them even though their schedule is tough coming up. But I don’t trust a coaching matchup between John Harbaugh and Freddie Kitchens. Baker didn’t play well vs their D last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I thought you were the big Baker booster? No I was a wrong Josher. If anyone was my guy it was Rosen. My thoughts on the 2018 QBs then, now and going forward were all laid out in a thread last week. You will be glad to know I had Josh Allen as now the most likely to be a future Franchise QB. It will tickle your homer gene. My only defense of Baker is to say the coaching in Cleveland is a much bigger problem than the Quarterbacking. I never said that here with Josh last year because what I have always been is the big McDermott booster. I was campaigning for him to get this job a year before the fat man was fired. Edited September 23, 2019 by GunnerBill 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Their whole starting secondary was out last night. I think Ward is good but he is not being utilized well in Wilkes D. He runs a zone D and Ward is best in man. I meant their starting secondary. Williams, Randall, Burnett, Ward. Was talking about the Super Bowl hype before the season. I agree with you on Ward and you can say the same about Greedy. Both are better in man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Anyone paying attention this offseason could have told you they were going to struggle. No Oline to speak of and a rookie HC? I thought playoffs were possible with all that talent, but i thought people betting them to win the SB was laughably optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said: Kitchens is a sun burnt buffoon without a clue. That 4th & 9 Draw call from their 40, was beyond idiotic! ...LMAO!...flashbacks of the famous "Shaud Draw"......OBD style............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The whole reason he got the job was because of mayfield. It’s bizarre. I just don’t think he’s ready to handle HC and the offense, so he’s letting Todd monken handle a lot, which is impacting things. There are some guys who are GREAT coordinators, but terrible head coaches. For whatever reason, they're just not good at managing all of the things that come with being a HC - the biggest thing being managing the people. We've seen plenty here. i.e. Rex Ryan. Leslie Frazier. Dick Jauron. Hell, you could even throw Adam Gase into that (although the one year that made him a "hot" candidate for HC, was coaching Peyton freaking Manning). I, for one, am happy that we have one that was a great coordinator AND a great Head Coach. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Baker on the year, 57% completions, 3TD, 5INTS, 805 yards. Poor coaching? Or player regression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: After all of this though all they need to do is beat the Ravens this week and they will be atop the AFC north. They have their whole season ahead of them even though their schedule is tough coming up. But I don’t trust a coaching matchup between John Harbaugh and Freddie Kitchens. Baker didn’t play well vs their D last year. Somehow maybe (with the weakest schedule ever) the Cravens are still "looking impressive". 11 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Baker on the year, 57% completions, 3TD, 5INTS, 805 yards. Poor coaching? Or player regression? or over hype in a unique 2018 season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, SlimShady'sGhost said: Somehow maybe (with the weakest schedule ever) the Cravens are still "looking impressive". They haven’t played a good defense yet, I agree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 When you have a bunch of DBags talking too much about how great they're going to be...this is what you get. I hate their QB as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Fans were baffled. According to ESPN research, there has never been a draw called on a 4th and 9 or more since 2007. NFL Hall of Famer and FS1 “First Things First” co-host Chris Carter pointed this out Monday morning, questioning Kitchens’ play call. “I hadn’t seen in all my years of watching, since I coached little league, on fourth down I’m getting ready to run a draw on 4th and 9 and I’m gonna pick it up,” said Carter. “If I put the ball in the air there is a chance I can get pass interference. Once you decide to run, you negate all that…In that situation, it’s very, very tough.” No shite! HC of the Clowns... looking like random sunburnt, homeless guy- out of his depth. Plus at Home, his team had 3 FS penalties & 3 motion. Inexcusable! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrags Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, transient said: Yes, but did you know Hulu has live sports? 58 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: That's the problem. He still hasn't bought his line camo jet skis. I do like Baker as a personality and a person. It’s not his fault he’s been dubbed by the media and the idiot football “genius’s” that he would be the 2nd coming. But it I do really like his personality and his commercials. The ones about getting his house in order are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, eball said: By losing two of their first three they've put themselves in a real tough spot...four of the next five are on the road (@BAL, @SF, SEA, @NE***, @DEN). By the time they catch a "break" playing the Broncos they might already be out of it at 1-6. Wow. The Brownies were in trouble when they promoted Kitchens to HC. He is horrible. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: Odell Beckham. Period. And Landry. And Chubb. And a very good defense which almost won it for them last night if the offensive play calling wasn't so bad. Frankly, I was convinced they'd be a sleeper team this year, but I didn't know enough about Kitchens to factor that in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: OMG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: is that a fireable call? i think so 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Part of me feels for Browns fans. At the same time I've seen them taking shots at Josh Allen all offseason long. So it's hard to say they deserve this, but they way they pumped up this team they do. They didn't beat a single playoff team in their run to end last season, will likely start 1-6 playing most all the playoff teams they'll see, then finish the year on a 6-3 run against subpar competition and get pumped up all offseason all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 You can't throw a DIVA or two at a team and expect the W's to just drop in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 minute ago, IDBillzFan said: And Landry. And Chubb. And a very good defense which almost won it for them last night if the offensive play calling wasn't so bad. Frankly, I was convinced they'd be a sleeper team this year, but I didn't know enough about Kitchens to factor that in. Landry is badly overrated IMO. He was in a scheme designed for him to shine in Miami, ie the same scheme that made Crowder look like a world beater week 1. He can't make any plays down the field and best case is a much more hyped, much worse version of Edelman. That offense is Odell and Chubb and that's it. They ignored the oline (they cut their LT before the season and no team stepped in to try to sway him while he was free, which says all you need to know). All flash and zero substance with huge personalities the coach won't be able to control if they don't turn it around QUICK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: All flash and zero substance with huge personalities the coach won't be able to control if they don't turn it around QUICK. This is a good point. Is Kitchens able to keep everyone focused, or will the OBJ's of the world start to gripe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 26 minutes ago, KGun12TD said: When you have a bunch of DBags talking too much about how great they're going to be...this is what you get. I hate their QB as well. it’s balanced by Bills fans on here telling me the Pats haven’t done enough to get the benefit of the doubt Probably the same dooshes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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transient Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 11 minutes ago, mrags said: I do like Baker as a personality and a person. It’s not his fault he’s been dubbed by the media and the idiot football “genius’s” that he would be the 2nd coming. But it I do really like his personality and his commercials. The ones about getting his house in order are awesome. I’m looking forward to Allen’s February Disney endorsement, myself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Sweats said: Don’t know why they’re getting so many Prime time games.....they’re still the same ole Browns Baker was supposed to be the poster boy of the next great QB, toss in they have guys like Beckham and Myles Garrett. On paper they have as much talent as you'd want except maybe Baker's not reaching his full potential or he just played better last year as teams didn't have enough film on him and/or his HC is a better OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Lots of expectations for a team that still needs to learn how to win 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Landry is badly overrated IMO. He was in a scheme designed for him to shine in Miami, ie the same scheme that made Crowder look like a world beater week 1. He can't make any plays down the field and best case is a much more hyped, much worse version of Edelman. That offense is Odell and Chubb and that's it. They ignored the oline (they cut their LT before the season and no team stepped in to try to sway him while he was free, which says all you need to know). All flash and zero substance with huge personalities the coach won't be able to control if they don't turn it around QUICK. They cut Robinson for a day, and he knew they would re-sign him. He isn't great, probably average at best, but the league as a whole is short on tackles. Cutting him allowed them to IR a player who otherwise would have had to go through waivers 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Just now, cle23 said: They cut Robinson for a day, and he knew they would re-sign him. He isn't great, probably average at best, but the league as a whole is short on tackles. Cutting him allowed them to IR a player who otherwise would have had to go through waivers 1st. Yes. And no team stepped in to try to beat their offer on Robinson. You'd think in a league short on tackles if a starting caliber one hits the streets someone would at least make a competitive offer. Maybe the player / agent told other teams not to bother, but that seems like bad business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Baker was supposed to be the poster boy of the next great QB, toss in they have guys like Beckham and Myles Garrett. On paper they have as much talent as you'd want except maybe Baker's not reaching his full potential or he just played better last year as teams didn't have enough film on him and/or his HC is a better OC. It’s their HC. Kitchens is a joke. I really want Baker to succeed. I like him. But he won’t be any good with that idiot for HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) I don't know why, I just don't know....but I hate the Browns. Not as much as the Pats but I always pull against them. It's just one of those things. I loved watching Baker struggle.... Edited September 23, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 2 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Kinda weird that Freddie Kitchens is a HC At least he looks (and sounds) the part...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 how do you hate a team that has been non-contending since 1964, a handful of years of decent play since. more crazy is thinking they will be one of the better teams just because their QB is hyped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Browns collapse is good for us. They were going to be competing with us for playoff seeding at the onset of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: Anyone paying attention this offseason could have told you they were going to struggle. No Oline to speak of and a rookie HC? I thought playoffs were possible with all that talent, but i thought people betting them to win the SB was laughably optimistic I got that vibe from their joint practices with Colts. Seemed to be lots of fights caused by the Browns after they struggled in the practices. Kitchens came with the "we won't back down and will impose our will" takes. That seemed like a total abdication from "don't be dumb, don't be dirty" thinking that a head coach should promote. Too much attititude at the expense of discipline doesn't earn anyone much in life. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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