beerme1 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Wow that was crap. Fortunately a loser won I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 As usual, NFC South and AFC South = 2 garbage divisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: Maybe he will be. Still see Norv using his Vikings offense 7 step drops with Cam (might be even longer)......... Sadly game passed by him. Edited September 13, 2019 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Right lol Norv makes Daball look like a hall of famer oC lol Norv didn’t just go 25 of 51.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, folz said: The NFL needs to get rid of Thursday night games. They are almost always duds. Just not enough recovery time for the players. Lazy and completely false. Some of the best games of the season last year were Thursday night games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I benched Godwin for John Brown. Make me proud Sunday.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsintaiwan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just watching game now, and maybe people have mentioned this, but the qb view is great. You get a much better sense of the speed of the game and how ephemeral the windows of offensive opportunity are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 7 hours ago, El Guapo said: I have AT&T. No NFL Network. Good thing the Bills don’t have a Thursday night game this year. FOX also broadcasts starting with Week 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 hours ago, jkeerie said: Horrible call. I thought it was a good call giving the ball with a lot of misdirection to your best player. It was just a great defensive play. 4 hours ago, Bangarang said: Anyone with Spectrum not getting the game on NFL Network? I couldn't get it on the spectrum app for some reason. 5 hours ago, folz said: The NFL needs to get rid of Thursday night games. They are almost always duds. Just not enough recovery time for the players. Keep them opening night and from week 6 to 13 with both teams playing them coming off bye weeks. Having said that, given the choice between not having them and having them I'd still prefer having them. Any NFL football is better than none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, mannc said: Lazy and completely false. Some of the best games of the season last year were Thursday night games. You’re both right. In 2018 there were 13 games as part of the Thursday Night Football franchise. Of those, 7 were decided by 14 points or more. Of the other 6, four were decided by 4 points or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 A close game but not really a good game. Two pretty bad teams seeing which one would lose. Not like the Saints - Texans game. Oh my that was exciting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, elroy16 said: Lots of open seats, pretty pathetic for a game so early in the season. Think this os a problem in many areas...people are staying home. Bills ain't exactly selling tickets like they have in the past either. For this game in particular, home game on Sunday, back again 4 days later, weather looked awful early, work/school night., I can understand a bit of the uppers being empty. But man to see the lowers bowl between the 20's half empty early in the 4th was jarring 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 It a shame mccaffrey and Kuechly 's talent is being wasted on that team. Now that is a Carolina connection that i hope makes its way to Buffalo. Cam is terrible, screwed up two zone read running plays, you'd think after all these yrs he would know how to read defenses. so glad we have Allen. 5 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Maybe he will be. We know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 MNF was a close game between two teams who looked like playoff teams. TNF was a close game between two teams who looked like sub .500 teams. The two QBs have taken a lot of heat for last night, and fairly so, but what about Dontae "Action" Jackson? His action seems to be losing people in coverage and failing to tackle runners by the goalline. He was atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 I watched most of the 4th quarter and was really shocked by Newton's play. He looked terrible. Tampa was getting good pressure but Cam didn't even try to use his legs. He was throwing off his back foot and horribly inaccurate. Samuel got free numerous times for what could have been huge plays with even an average throw. It's telling that with the game on the line at 4th and 1 from the 2-yard-line they took the ball out of Cam's hands. I don't care how good McCaffrey is, if you have a star QB you always want him with the ball in that situation. The Panthers are in trouble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, eball said: I watched most of the 4th quarter and was really shocked by Newton's play. He looked terrible. Tampa was getting good pressure but Cam didn't even try to use his legs. He was throwing off his back foot and horribly inaccurate. Samuel got free numerous times for what could have been huge plays with even an average throw. It's telling that with the game on the line at 4th and 1 from the 2-yard-line they took the ball out of Cam's hands. I don't care how good McCaffrey is, if you have a star QB you always want him with the ball in that situation. The Panthers are in trouble. But, his hat.. I know it’s early, but Stick a fork in him and the Panthers. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, eball said: I watched most of the 4th quarter and was really shocked by Newton's play. He looked terrible. Tampa was getting good pressure but Cam didn't even try to use his legs. He was throwing off his back foot and horribly inaccurate. Samuel got free numerous times for what could have been huge plays with even an average throw. It's telling that with the game on the line at 4th and 1 from the 2-yard-line they took the ball out of Cam's hands. I don't care how good McCaffrey is, if you have a star QB you always want him with the ball in that situation. The Panthers are in trouble. Age and injuries slowing him down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Panthers have now lost 10 of the last 11 games dating back to last season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhg Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: Panthers have now lost 10 of the last 11 games dating back to last season. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 For all the nonsense about Josh Allen being "inaccurate"... good god. Cam Newton made him look like Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Sounds like Cam is contemplating retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: I watched most of the 4th quarter and was really shocked by Newton's play. He looked terrible. Tampa was getting good pressure but Cam didn't even try to use his legs. He was throwing off his back foot and horribly inaccurate. Samuel got free numerous times for what could have been huge plays with even an average throw. It's telling that with the game on the line at 4th and 1 from the 2-yard-line they took the ball out of Cam's hands. I don't care how good McCaffrey is, if you have a star QB you always want him with the ball in that situation. The Panthers are in trouble. 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: Panthers have now lost 10 of the last 11 games dating back to last season. and the Rams struggled with them last week tight? I saw zero of that game...but bares watching how Goff does this week agasint the Saints...Gurley and Goff may both be massive mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, CLTbills said: For all the nonsense about Josh Allen being "inaccurate"... good god. Cam Newton made him look like Brady. Remember Newton running his jaw at the joint practice, where Ed Oliver was looking at him as if to say “what’s with that guy?!” Karma, readers, karma. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: and the Rams struggled with them last week tight? I saw zero of that game...but bares watching how Goff does this week agasint the Saints...Gurley and Goff may both be massive mistakes I am entirely off the Gurley train. Goff I’ll be judging more as the season goes on. Definitely a tough test this week for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Think this os a problem in many areas...people are staying home. Bills ain't exactly selling tickets like they have in the past either. For this game in particular, home game on Sunday, back again 4 days later, weather looked awful early, work/school night., I can understand a bit of the uppers being empty. But man to see the lowers bowl between the 20's half empty early in the 4th was jarring This is an issue with what the NFL experience has become. What kind of atmosphere do Panthers home games have ? There’s just nothing about the experience that would make me want to attend as a Panthers fan. Compare the sterile environment of many NFL stadiums with big time college football, and it’s easy to see why people stay home. Additionally, Charlotte never had much of a non bandwagon fan base to begin with. Edited September 13, 2019 by SirAndrew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, ColeB said: You’re both right. In 2018 there were 13 games as part of the Thursday Night Football franchise. Of those, 7 were decided by 14 points or more. Of the other 6, four were decided by 4 points or less. In other words, no better or worse than NFL games generally... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 9 hours ago, elroy16 said: Lots of open seats, pretty pathetic for a game so early in the season. Rain keeps them away down there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: Think this os a problem in many areas...people are staying home. Bills ain't exactly selling tickets like they have in the past either. For this game in particular, home game on Sunday, back again 4 days later, weather looked awful early, work/school night., I can understand a bit of the uppers being empty. But man to see the lowers bowl between the 20's half empty early in the 4th was jarring Can’t blame them. I can’t blame Bills fans that stay home either. I know it’s the “atmosphere” and it’s good to experience for sure. But for the same cost as those two tickets you can throw a party and recreate some of the atmosphere. Or just stay at home on your couch with your significant other and have access to a private bathroom, a fridge full of beef, and whatever menu of food you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, eball said: I watched most of the 4th quarter and was really shocked by Newton's play. He looked terrible. Tampa was getting good pressure but Cam didn't even try to use his legs. He was throwing off his back foot and horribly inaccurate. Samuel got free numerous times for what could have been huge plays with even an average throw. It's telling that with the game on the line at 4th and 1 from the 2-yard-line they took the ball out of Cam's hands. I don't care how good McCaffrey is, if you have a star QB you always want him with the ball in that situation. The Panthers are in trouble. Sadly I think Cam might be done. I have been a fan and defended him numerous times but like Andrew Luck he has taken such a battering I think his body may be failing him. It is something the Texans want to watch closely with Watson and the Bills want to watch closely with Josh. The guys that last in this league are still the ones that stand in the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is also something about the disgusting treatment to which Cam has been subject (and Luck was too) by officials. Just because a guy is big and moves about does not mean late cheapshots on him are permissable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: This is an issue with what the NFL experience has become. What kind of atmosphere do Panthers home games have ? There’s just nothing about the experience that would make me want to attend as a Panthers fan. Compare the sterile environment of many NFL stadiums with big time college football, and it’s easy to see why people stay home. Additionally, Charlotte never had much of a non bandwagon fan base to begin with. Just like Atlanta—it’s college football country. NFL is a distant second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 48 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Sounds like Cam is contemplating retirement. ...Scam should.....too many distractions....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Sadly I think Cam might be done. I have been a fan and defended him numerous times but like Andrew Luck he has taken such a battering I think his body may be failing him. It is something the Texans want to watch closely with Watson and the Bills want to watch closely with Josh. The guys that last in this league are still the ones that stand in the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is also something about the disgusting treatment to which Cam has been subject (and Luck was too) by officials. Just because a guy is big and moves about does not mean late cheapshots on him are permissable. Yeah, this is a tough thing to deal with. I think it's why the Bills are so focused upon getting Josh better in the pocket. Sometimes I think QBs like Cam make it more difficult on themselves because they are taking on tacklers rather than sliding/giving themselves up in the open field. Josh did that last year also and needs to stop. I don't think the officiating will change because I believe the league's view is that some of these QBs essentially make themselves RBs and therefore the rules on hitting QBs don't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 Just now, eball said: Yeah, this is a tough thing to deal with. I think it's why the Bills are so focused upon getting Josh better in the pocket. Sometimes I think QBs like Cam make it more difficult on themselves because they are taking on tacklers rather than sliding/giving themselves up in the open field. Josh did that last year also and needs to stop. I don't think the officiating will change because I believe the league's view is that some of these QBs essentially make themselves RBs and therefore the rules on hitting QBs don't apply. The rules on late hits and hits to the head still apply. Yes - they are no long entitled to the extra protections.... but it is like once a big QB is out of the pocket he doesn't even get the same protections that running backs and receivers get. Refs are bad at it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 It's sad to watch the end of Cam's career. It reminds me of Kelly's last season when suddenly he couldn't make certain throws and defensive coordinators became aware of it. In Newton's case it's worse because BOTH his am AND his legs are failing. D-coordinators no longer fear cam's mobility which means they can sell out to stop CMAC. It's a testament to McCaffrey that he's been as productive as he's been the last 10 games facing this situation. Of course it would be unfair to put this all on Cam. With one of the best TE's & RB's in the NFL; solid WR's and a QB that can still execute at 80% the Panthers should be able to field an offense that can win games like last night. The biggest problem facing Carolina is their offensive line. It is beyond horrible. What good is an O-line when it can't run block OR pass block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Sadly I think Cam might be done. I have been a fan and defended him numerous times but like Andrew Luck he has taken such a battering I think his body may be failing him. It is something the Texans want to watch closely with Watson and the Bills want to watch closely with Josh. The guys that last in this league are still the ones that stand in the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is also something about the disgusting treatment to which Cam has been subject (and Luck was too) by officials. Just because a guy is big and moves about does not mean late cheapshots on him are permissable. Yet another reason Quarterbacks absolutely MUST be able to succeed from the pocket. It's not rare to see a rookie/young QB have success running the ball, just like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen did last year. But eventually defenses start gearing-up to stop the run, and that's when it's up to the QB to start having success through the air. Cam Newton has been a rare case, because he's continued to get 100+ carries every single season. And the Panthers have always used his rushing ability as a key piece to their offensive attack. They never had a problem running him into the teeth of the defense, just like a Running Back. It worked much longer than most would have expected. But now in Cam's 9th season, it's clearly caught-up to him. And without being a dual threat, Cam is just an average passer. Like you said, I really hope Buffalo's coaching staff is paying attention. I definitely don't want the Bills to completely take away Allen's running ability. But I would prefer they use a Russell Wilson approach, where he still does his best to avoid hits (sliding, getting out of bounds, etc.) It's also key to keep a strong offensive line in front of him -- which is the mistake the Colts realized too late with Andrew Luck, and what the Texans are unfortunately doing wrong with Deshaun Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Yet another reason Quarterbacks absolutely MUST be able to succeed from the pocket. It's not rare to see a rookie/young QB have success running the ball, just like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen did last year. But eventually defenses start gearing-up to stop the run, and that's when it's up to the QB to start having success through the air. Cam Newton has been a rare case, because he's continued to get 100+ carries every single season. And the Panthers have always used his rushing ability as a key piece to their offensive attack. They never had a problem running him into the teeth of the defense, just like a Running Back. It worked much longer than most would have expected. But now in Cam's 9th season, it's clearly caught-up to him. And without being a dual threat, Cam is just an average passer. Like you said, I really hope Buffalo's coaching staff is paying attention. I definitely don't want the Bills to completely take away Allen's running ability. But I would prefer they use a Russell Wilson approach, where he still does his best to avoid hits (sliding, getting out of bounds, etc.) It's also key to keep a strong offensive line in front of him -- which is the mistake the Colts realized too late with Andrew Luck, and what the Texans are unfortunately doing wrong with Deshaun Watson. The Panthers other than the run their Superbowl year have not had great Olines either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Sounds like Cam is contemplating retirement. Luck and Newton, both #1 picks in consecutive years....retire in the same year? That would be nuts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 injuries have really destroyed Newton This is another reason I want to see Allen take fewer hits... the Panthers used Newton like another RB for years and he took an absolute pounding. Now he is a shell of the "superman" he was. And Newton is built like someone from an Avengers movie. Still, the hits add up. Stuff breaks and tears. That's why Brady, a scrawny 43 year old yoga guy who stretches instead of doing weights and eats nothing but avacado and beets, can play forever and never drop off at all: he almost never gets hit unless his coaches want to get cute and send him out for passes. That NEARLY ended his season last year when he injured his MCL tripping over his own 2 feet trying to catch a freaking pass. This year he will just take the snap and throw the ball before any DL is even out of his stance. The games are just warm up for his hot yoga routines and rustic vegetable medley dinners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotton Fitzsimmons Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Sadly I think Cam might be done. I have been a fan and defended him numerous times but like Andrew Luck he has taken such a battering I think his body may be failing him. It is something the Texans want to watch closely with Watson and the Bills want to watch closely with Josh. The guys that last in this league are still the ones that stand in the pocket and get rid of the ball. There is also something about the disgusting treatment to which Cam has been subject (and Luck was too) by officials. Just because a guy is big and moves about does not mean late cheapshots on him are permissable. YE OLE has not followed Carolina as closely as he should (given that we seem to be Carolina North these days). That said, YE was shocked to read that this game made for the 8th consecutive start that "Carolina" Cam Newton has lost, dating back to week 10 of last season. Granted, there's probably more issues going on with the Panthers, but one can only imagine the scene around here if Josh Allen lost his next 8 starts. The folks would be out with pitchforks saying things like "What we have here is a parody of an NFL QB trying to lead a parody of an NFL team." Hopefully we've turned the corner from all that jazz, gents! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 13, 2019 Share Posted September 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Luck and Newton, both #1 picks in consecutive years....retire in the same year? That would be nuts. Let the Kyle Allen Era begin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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