First Half wasn't as awful as everyone is saying

[mjt328]

 

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

On the day, the Bills had the ball a total of 12 times. 

- One possession was the kneel down at the half. 

- One possession was running out the clock at the end of the game.

- Then you have the Cole Beasley bounce (pretty much a fluke), which was returned for a touchdown.  This drive was one play.

- Then you have the safety (bad call by the refs), which also lasted one play.

 

That leaves 8 true possessions for the Bills offense.

1.  Drive #1 (7 plays, 37 yards):  They easily marched down the field to the Jets 26 yard line.  Then Dion Dawkins missed a block, resulting in the sack/strip.

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

3.  Drive #4 (3 plays, 7 yards):  This was a really bad series, which also included the INT that was overturned by penalty.

4.  Drive #5 (9 plays, 58 yards):  Yet another very strong drive, ended by the botched snap on the QB sneak.

5.  Drive #6 (5 plays, 30 yards):  The offense was starting to move again.  Then we have the tipped pass, which was also intercepted.

6.  Drive #9 (9 plays, 50 yards):  Ended in our first 3 points of the day.

7.  Drive #10 (8 plays, 85 yards):  Touchdown

8.  Drive #11 (8 plays, 80 yards):  Touchdown

 

 

Bottom line... On a snap-by-snap basis, I felt like the Bills controlled the game on both sides.  Defense was outstanding all day.  The offense had some really bad bounces and bad luck.  They had some really bad mistakes at the wrong time.  The narrative is that something "woke the offense up" during the 4th quarter.  In reality, I think we just figured out how to finish our drives.

 

[Ramza86]

We moved the ball almost every drive....but they got stalled by penalties or turnovers. 

 

So thats a positive takeaway. 

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

I have been shouting this on twitter.  It is crazy how people can become so emotionally invested in a game that they lose all sense of what is really happening. The turnovers, in some peoples minds, completely erased how well we were moving the ball.  The offense was great all game. 

[zevo]

Lots of criticism...I though Allen looked fairly sharp...he took some gambles because that’s what he does...overall I came away pretty damn impressed.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

 

No it wasn't IMO.

 

The Bills were controlling the game from the get go until A Series of Unfortunate Events happened

[Dr. K]

2 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

On the day, the Bills had the ball a total of 12 times. 

- One possession was the kneel down at the half. 

- One possession was running out the clock at the end of the game.

- Then you have the Cole Beasley bounce (pretty much a fluke), which was returned for a touchdown.  This drive was one play.

- Then you have the safety (bad call by the refs), which also lasted one play.

 

That leaves 8 true possessions for the Bills offense.

1.  Drive #1 (7 plays, 37 yards):  They easily marched down the field to the Jets 26 yard line.  Then Dion Dawkins missed a block, resulting in the sack/strip.

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

3.  Drive #4 (3 plays, 7 yards):  This was a really bad series, which also included the INT that was overturned by penalty.

4.  Drive #5 (9 plays, 58 yards):  Yet another very strong drive, ended by the botched snap on the QB sneak.

5.  Drive #6 (5 plays, 30 yards):  The offense was starting to move again.  Then we have the tipped pass, which was also intercepted.

6.  Drive #9 (9 plays, 50 yards):  Ended in our first 3 points of the day.

7.  Drive #10 (8 plays, 85 yards):  Touchdown

8.  Drive #11 (8 plays, 80 yards):  Touchdown

 

 

Bottom line... On a snap-by-snap basis, I felt like the Bills controlled the game on both sides.  Defense was outstanding all day.  The offense had some really bad bounces and bad luck.  They had some really bad mistakes at the wrong time.  The narrative is that something "woke the offense up" during the 4th quarter.  In reality, I think we just figured out how to finish our drives.

 

This is the first half that I saw, too. The Bills moved the ball effectively on most drives until they shot themselves in the foot. The Jets played hard on defense and benefited from tipped passes or Bills miscues, but it wasn't because they stopped the Bills from moving the ball. 

 

Add in the bad field position the Bills had for most of their drive starts, and it's easy to over-react and say the offense did not work. Not to say they don't have to clean up those mishaps that they can clean up. They know that themselves, and I expect them to as the season progresses. 

[Jerome007]

I thought the same too. That the Bills had bad flukes and some legit mistakes that were almost half bad lucks too. Basically. that they were the better team but playing a little confused and having not the ball roll their way. Later, they did get lucky breaks on bad passes, so Josh's stat sheet became real in a way over time. Are you really gonna blame him for that pick 6? Stats tell you so much.

 

Anyway, I agree. There weren't sharp, and it come down to lack of execution and some weird bounces, but overall I liked what I saw in terms of POTENTIAL. It's just that we are all getting impatient and want to see that potential becoming reality. A first game of the season with so many new players might not be the best time to judge them yet, impatient doomsday fans...

[teef]

it was just bad mojo/luck in the first half.  nothing seemed to be in the bills favor at all, but not once did they roll over and give up.  they kept it a game, and things finally starting swinging in their direction.  it was such a game of momentum.  

 

allen certainly made some mistakes.  i just don't think they should lean on him so heavily this early.  his mistakes are correctable, but help the guy out a bit.

[mjt328]

3 minutes ago, Dr. K said:

This is the first half that I saw, too. The Bills moved the ball effectively on most drives until they shot themselves in the foot. The Jets played hard on defense and benefited from tipped passes or Bills miscues, but it wasn't because they stopped the Bills from moving the ball. 

 

Add in the bad field position the Bills had for most of their drive starts, and it's easy to over-react and say the offense did not work. Not to say they don't have to clean up those mishaps that they can clean up. They know that themselves, and I expect them to as the season progresses. 

 

I've also noticed a lot of criticism towards Brian Daboll's playcalling.  I thought it was great.

 

The Jets defensive strength is run defense.  Their weakness is pass defense.

And before the game, their players were throwing jabs at Josh Allen, saying they just needed to "make him play quarterback."

 

The pass-heavy approach was the right one.  And if not for the dumb mistakes that killed our drives and kept points off the board, everybody would be praising Daboll this morning.  He can't control everything.

 

[CincyBillsFan]

10 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

On the day, the Bills had the ball a total of 12 times. 

- One possession was the kneel down at the half. 

- One possession was running out the clock at the end of the game.

- Then you have the Cole Beasley bounce (pretty much a fluke), which was returned for a touchdown.  This drive was one play.

- Then you have the safety (bad call by the refs), which also lasted one play.

 

That leaves 8 true possessions for the Bills offense.

1.  Drive #1 (7 plays, 37 yards):  They easily marched down the field to the Jets 26 yard line.  Then Dion Dawkins missed a block, resulting in the sack/strip.

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

3.  Drive #4 (3 plays, 7 yards):  This was a really bad series, which also included the INT that was overturned by penalty.

4.  Drive #5 (9 plays, 58 yards):  Yet another very strong drive, ended by the botched snap on the QB sneak.

5.  Drive #6 (5 plays, 30 yards):  The offense was starting to move again.  Then we have the tipped pass, which was also intercepted.

6.  Drive #9 (9 plays, 50 yards):  Ended in our first 3 points of the day.

7.  Drive #10 (8 plays, 85 yards):  Touchdown

8.  Drive #11 (8 plays, 80 yards):  Touchdown

 

 

Bottom line... On a snap-by-snap basis, I felt like the Bills controlled the game on both sides.  Defense was outstanding all day.  The offense had some really bad bounces and bad luck.  They had some really bad mistakes at the wrong time.  The narrative is that something "woke the offense up" during the 4th quarter.  In reality, I think we just figured out how to finish our drives.

 

 

This is the BEST post I've seen describing the 1st half.  I would also add that:

 

*  99 out of 100 times the Jet's pick 6 play would have ended either as a 5 yard Bill's gain or an incomplete pass.  That it resulted in a pick 6 is the very definition of a FLUKE PLAY. 

 

*  The Allen "fumble" on 4th down was likely a direct result of Morse not seeing any contact under game situations during the preseason.  It's unreasonable to think a center can just go out and excel in the 1st half of the opening game after missing the entire preseason.  Did anyone else notice how much better Morse played in the 2nd half?  I mean he looked like a beast out there.  I suspect that had Morse gotten in some game reps during the preseason there isn't a fumble on that play. 

 

 

[Real McClappy]

10 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said:

I have been shouting this on twitter.  It is crazy how people can become so emotionally invested in a game that they lose all sense of what is really happening. The turnovers, in some peoples minds, completely erased how well we were moving the ball.  The offense was great all game. 

Agree, was just telling my buddy the same and he disagrees. The multiple turn-overs basically skew everything, this game should have been a blow out IMO.  Gotta shake the rust off and they did in the 2nd half.

 

So I popped him this -

[mushypeaches]

I had very little issue with the first half play-calling or schemes.  I liked how Daboll was attacking the Jets defense.  

 

Obviously the first half results were poor, but it wasn't for lack of imagination or creativity.  And that was also why it never felt like the Bills were out of the game, even down 16-0.  Lots of fluke plays and poor execution.  They just needed to wake up, shake off the mistakes, and make things happen.  Which they did

 

[mjt328]

3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

I thought the same too. That the Bills had bad flukes and some legit mistakes that were almost half bad lucks too. Basically. that they were the better team but playing a little confused and having not the ball roll their way. Later, they did get lucky breaks on bad passes, so Josh's stat sheet became real in a way over time. Are you really gonna blame him for that pick 6? Stats tell you so much.

 

Anyway, I agree. There weren't sharp, and it come down to lack of execution and some weird bounces, but overall I liked what I saw in terms of POTENTIAL. It's just that we are all getting impatient and want to see that potential becoming reality. A first game of the season with so many new players might not be the best time to judge them yet, impatient doomsday fans...

 

In my opinion, none of Josh Allen's turnovers were his fault.

BUT... he probably had 3 incompletions that could have been picked off.

 

So far, the narrative around Allen is completely off.

I'm not seeing a QB that struggles with accuracy.  I'm not seeing a QB that struggles with pocket presence, or one that takes off running too quickly.  I'm not seeing a QB that struggles to read defenses.

 

Allen's biggest problem is decision-making.  He's got what I call "Jay Cutler Disease.  There are times he's trying to do too much.  Usually when the play breaks down, and he's forced to make a throw outside the pocket.  This is fairly common among young QBs, so I'm not really worried yet.  He just needs to learn when to let a play die, and live to fight another day.

 

[billsfan1959]

Are you sure, OP? If so, then that is going to upset a number of posters. I read over and over, right here on this forum, that Daboll didn't know what he was doing and that Allen was so bad, that he was unwatchable...

[PromoTheRobot]

24 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

On the day, the Bills had the ball a total of 12 times. 

- One possession was the kneel down at the half. 

- One possession was running out the clock at the end of the game.

- Then you have the Cole Beasley bounce (pretty much a fluke), which was returned for a touchdown.  This drive was one play.

- Then you have the safety (bad call by the refs), which also lasted one play.

 

That leaves 8 true possessions for the Bills offense.

1.  Drive #1 (7 plays, 37 yards):  They easily marched down the field to the Jets 26 yard line.  Then Dion Dawkins missed a block, resulting in the sack/strip.

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

3.  Drive #4 (3 plays, 7 yards):  This was a really bad series, which also included the INT that was overturned by penalty.

4.  Drive #5 (9 plays, 58 yards):  Yet another very strong drive, ended by the botched snap on the QB sneak.

5.  Drive #6 (5 plays, 30 yards):  The offense was starting to move again.  Then we have the tipped pass, which was also intercepted.

6.  Drive #9 (9 plays, 50 yards):  Ended in our first 3 points of the day.

7.  Drive #10 (8 plays, 85 yards):  Touchdown

8.  Drive #11 (8 plays, 80 yards):  Touchdown

 

 

Bottom line... On a snap-by-snap basis, I felt like the Bills controlled the game on both sides.  Defense was outstanding all day.  The offense had some really bad bounces and bad luck.  They had some really bad mistakes at the wrong time.  The narrative is that something "woke the offense up" during the 4th quarter.  In reality, I think we just figured out how to finish our drives.

 

 

Thank you! Too many people only see the end results, not the process. A 50+ yard drive that ends in a turnover is not anemic.

10 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Agree, was just telling my buddy the same and he disagrees. The multiple turn-overs basically skew everything, this game should have been a blow out IMO.  Gotta shake the rust off and they did in the 2nd half.

 

So I popped him this -

 

Make sure @GG sees this.

[stosh64]

1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said:

Are you sure, OP? If so, then that is going to upset a number of posters. I read over and over, right here on this forum, that Daboll didn't know what he was doing and that Allen was so bad, that he was unwatchable...

The haters sure loved the first half yesterday.  The number of times I read we need to pull Josh for Barkley, or reminding us we could have had Mahomes or Jackson.

I had to take a break from the GDT, the hot takes are unreal.

 

Thanks for the thread OP, I couldn't agree more!  

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Thank you! Too many people only see the end results, not the process. A 50+ yard drive that ends in a turnover is not anemic.

 

Make sure @GG sees this.

 

I guess the accuracy bar for Allen has been raised to 75%. 

Just now, stosh64 said:

The haters sure loved the first half yesterday.  The number of times I read we need to pull Josh for Barkley, or reminding us we could have had Mahomes or Jackson.

I had to take a break from the GDT, the hot takes are unreal.

 

Thanks for the thread OP, I couldn't agree more!  

 

The hot takes during the game are simply an accurate representation of the huge amount of alcohol consumed. 

 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Excellent breakdown. I mentioned the same thing in Virgil’s thread, but your details make it even clearer. This should have been a blowout. Another interesting point is that Jets scored on an interception, a safety, a two point conversion, and a touchdown....but NOTHING from a kicker. I’ve gotta wonder if that’s ever happened before.

[JoshAllenHasBigHands]

8 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Are you sure, OP? If so, then that is going to upset a number of posters. I read over and over, right here on this forum, that Daboll didn't know what he was doing and that Allen was so bad, that he was unwatchable...

THIS is why you shouldn't come here on game day.  Its a mess of people that don't spend much time on the message board, don't pay a ton of attention outside of game day, and have no idea what they are talking about. 

[TPS]

mark gaughan of the BNews thought it was impressive too:

 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, CincyBillsFan said:

 

I guess the accuracy bar for Allen has been raised to 75%. 

 

They keep harping on the three bad passes that could have been intercepted. That's 3 throws out of 37! Even Tom frickin' Brady has 3 bad throws per game. All preseason I kept hearing about the threshold Allen had to reach in year two, and he hit them all in one game! But the goalposts for Allen keep moving further.

[ddaryl]

Just a few self inflicted wounds. Other than that the team was moving the football

[BuffaloBill]

Face it, four turnovers in a game much less a half of a game = terrible.  I am as happy as anyone to have a W but the likelihood of getting one when you lode the turnover battle, especially a -4, is exceptionally slim.  If this game were to repeat the turnover situation 15 more times the Bills are vying for the first pick in the next draft.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

7 minutes ago, stosh64 said:

The haters sure loved the first half yesterday.  The number of times I read we need to pull Josh for Barkley, or reminding us we could have had Mahomes or Jackson.

I had to take a break from the GDT, the hot takes are unreal.

 

Thanks for the thread OP, I couldn't agree more!  

 

You and me both. A WHOLE bunch of stupid going on in that thread.

 

4 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

They keep harping on the three bad passes that could have been intercepted. That's 3 throws out of 37! Even Tom frickin' Brady has 3 bad throws per game. All preseason I kept hearing about the threshold Allen had to reach in year two, and he hit them all in one game! But the goalposts for Allen keep moving further.

Which is why anyone who knows anything knows what this nonsense is:

 

Clinging to bitterness over Mahomes.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

They keep harping on the three bad passes that could have been intercepted. That's 3 throws out of 37! Even Tom frickin' Brady has 3 bad throws per game. All preseason I kept hearing about the threshold Allen had to reach in year two, and he hit them all in one game! But the goalposts for Allen keep moving further.

 

It's proof of their irrational dislike of Allen.  Who else DWELLS on those kind of coulda/woulda/shoulda plays?  Remember the incomplete dump of pass that Darnold threw when under pressure that hit a Bills LB in the back?  That could have been a pick 6.  Watch ANY NFL game and you'll have a couple of those kind of passes by EVERY QB out there. 

 

These tools are evaluating Allen on EVERY pass he throws.  It's crazy. 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

39 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

In review of yesterday's game, I keep reading how terrible and ineffective the Bills offense was until the 4th Quarter.  I completely disagree.

Were they mistake prone and sloppy at times?  Absolutely.

But when you really break it down, the offense was consistently putting together strong drives for a good chunk of the day.

 

On the day, the Bills had the ball a total of 12 times. 

- One possession was the kneel down at the half. 

- One possession was running out the clock at the end of the game.

- Then you have the Cole Beasley bounce (pretty much a fluke), which was returned for a touchdown.  This drive was one play.

- Then you have the safety (bad call by the refs), which also lasted one play.

 

That leaves 8 true possessions for the Bills offense.

1.  Drive #1 (7 plays, 37 yards):  They easily marched down the field to the Jets 26 yard line.  Then Dion Dawkins missed a block, resulting in the sack/strip.

2.  Drive #3 (9 plays, 35 yards):  Another drive into scoring position, until the Unsportsmanlike Conduct penalty on Jon Feliciano.

3.  Drive #4 (3 plays, 7 yards):  This was a really bad series, which also included the INT that was overturned by penalty.

4.  Drive #5 (9 plays, 58 yards):  Yet another very strong drive, ended by the botched snap on the QB sneak.

5.  Drive #6 (5 plays, 30 yards):  The offense was starting to move again.  Then we have the tipped pass, which was also intercepted.

6.  Drive #9 (9 plays, 50 yards):  Ended in our first 3 points of the day.

7.  Drive #10 (8 plays, 85 yards):  Touchdown

8.  Drive #11 (8 plays, 80 yards):  Touchdown

 

 

Bottom line... On a snap-by-snap basis, I felt like the Bills controlled the game on both sides.  Defense was outstanding all day.  The offense had some really bad bounces and bad luck.  They had some really bad mistakes at the wrong time.  The narrative is that something "woke the offense up" during the 4th quarter.  In reality, I think we just figured out how to finish our drives.

 

I appreciate the well detailed post

we are just not good enough yet to consistently overcome multiple turnovers

[PlayoffsPlease]

There is a lot of truth to these posts.  But I also think the game plan that allowed the team to move the ball also created the turnover situations to some degree.  The four drives that ended in turnovers and the one that ended in  a safety, may have all also ended in punts. I am not sure that it is fair to assume they would have all resulted in moving the ball at will. 

[billsfan1959]

2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

They keep harping on the three bad passes that could have been intercepted. That's 3 throws out of 37! Even Tom frickin' Brady has 3 bad throws per game. All preseason I kept hearing about the threshold Allen had to reach in year two, and he hit them all in one game! But the goalposts for Allen keep moving further.

Haters gonna hate...and continue to skew his performances to meet their need to be right.

[Jobot]

Only thing that I would criticize is coming out week 1 on the road with a pass-heavy attack seemed overly optimistic, risky, and unnecessary to secure a win.  It nearly cost us the game if not for the Jets poor kicking and the Moseley injury.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Face it, four turnovers in a game much less a half of a game = terrible.  I am as happy as anyone to have a W but the likelihood of getting one when you lode the turnover battle, especially a -4, is exceptionally slim.  If this game were to repeat the turnover situation 15 more times the Bills are vying for the first pick in the next draft.

 

And just how likely do you think it is that the Bills will repeat yesterday's TO situation 15 more times!?  My guess is that the way NFL karma works the Bills may be getting a couple of fortunate bounces going their way soon.

 

 

 

[May Day 10]

I was saying this as well.  I thought they executed very well in the first half.  A few correctable things like the turnovers and stupid/untimely penalties stunted their progress.

 

I have to admit, my mind was going into a dark place when the wheels came off briefly with the safety, TD, and circus 2PT... but other than that stretch, the Bills were far and away the better team.

[Virgil]

This is where I think many of you are in the denial stages of BBFS.  You probably thought Tyrod was the answer too, like I did.  

 

I get everything you are saying, but results matter.  You don’t get a moral win for things you did right that don’t result in points.  If our defense didn’t play so well, most teams would have capitalized better on 4 turnovers.

 

Those mistakes negate the positives and typically lead to losses.  

 

Don’t confuse plays that give you hope as being better than results.  

 

Going 0-16, but losing every game by 3 points or less and having good stats still gets you fired.  

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Jobot said:

Only thing that I would criticize is coming out week 1 on the road with a pass-heavy attack seemed overly optimistic, risky, and unnecessary to secure a win.  It nearly cost us the game if not for the Jets poor kicking and the Moseley injury.

Or, it could have been a blow out if not for some lucky bounces for the Jets...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Bills quarterback Josh Allen’s first half of work against the Jets was the kind of stuff that usually leads to a lopsided loss.

 

He was intercepted twice, stripped of the ball on a sack and lost another fumble on a botched exchange with center Mitch Morse, but the Jets could only turn that good fortune into six points and the Bills found themselves with a chance to get back in the game down 16-0 in the third quarter.

 

Allen was 8-of-10 for 102 yards and a touchdown through the air in the fourth quarter and he ran for another touchdown as the Bills rallied for a 17-16 win on the road. Allen went over 250 passing yards for the first time in his career and head coach Sean McDermott said leading the comeback was a feather in the quarterback’s cap.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sean-mcdermott-sunday-win-resume-105823989.html

 

This is why you play the full 60 Minutes!!!! 

 

Quote

another fumble on a botched exchange

 

If you never touch the ball ... how can you fumble it?????  

 

the "fumble" s/b on Mitch Morse

Edited September 9, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[billsfan1959]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

This is where I think many of you are in the denial stages of BBFS.  You probably thought Tyrod was the answer too, like I did.  

 

I get everything you are saying, but results matter.  You don’t get a moral win for things you did right that don’t result in points.  If our defense didn’t play so well, most teams would have capitalized better on 4 turnovers.

 

Those mistakes negate the positives and typically lead to losses.  

 

Don’t confuse plays that give you hope as being better than results.  

 

Going 0-16, but losing every game by 3 points or less and having good stats still gets you fired.  

Maybe you are in denial that this might actually be a good team that suffered some fluke bounces and inopportune penalties that derailed possible scoring drives in that first half. Perhaps you stopped watching and missed the second half when they didn't make those mistakes?

 

Or missed the part where they won the game?

Edited September 9, 2019 by billsfan1959

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, Virgil said:

This is where I think many of you are in the denial stages of BBFS.  You probably thought Tyrod was the answer too, like I did.  

 

I get everything you are saying, but results matter.  You don’t get a moral win for things you did right that don’t result in points.  If our defense didn’t play so well, most teams would have capitalized better on 4 turnovers.

 

Those mistakes negate the positives and typically lead to losses.  

 

Don’t confuse plays that give you hope as being better than results.  

 

Going 0-16, but losing every game by 3 points or less and having good stats still gets you fired.  

 

What the hell is the point of this post?

 

Not everyone is emotionally and mentally weak as a fan.

 

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, Jobot said:

Only thing that I would criticize is coming out week 1 on the road with a pass-heavy attack seemed overly optimistic, risky, and unnecessary to secure a win.  It nearly cost us the game if not for the Jets poor kicking and the Moseley injury.

Enough with the “Jets poor kicking cost them the game.”  The missed extra point was made up for by the later 2-point conversion (which Gase would not have attempted otherwise) and the Bills were robbed of a FG on the bogus taunting call in the first half.  The Nyets were badly outplayed.

Edited September 9, 2019 by mannc

[Virgil]

3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Maybe you are in denial that this might actually be a good team that suffered some fluke bounces and inopportune penalties that derailed possible scoring drives in that first half. Perhaps you stopped watching and missed the second half when they didn't make those mistakes?

 

No, I’m saying that as great as they played in the 4th quarter, the first 3 quarters would have resulted in a loss to most other teams.  And that can’t be overlooked if we are going to be the team we expect to be 

4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

What the hell is the point of this post?

 

Not everyone is emotionally and mentally weak as a fan.

 

 

By definition, we all are in our own way

[Real McClappy]

22 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I appreciate the well detailed post

we are just not good enough yet to consistently overcome multiple turnovers

Doesn't make sense, we just did yesterday. In years past we definitely could not which is all the more impressive yesterday was. Just wait when our D starts forcing turn overs. It's gonna be an exciting year IMO.

Edited September 9, 2019 by Real McCoy

[TH3]

10 minutes ago, Virgil said:

This is where I think many of you are in the denial stages of BBFS.  You probably thought Tyrod was the answer too, like I did.  

 

I get everything you are saying, but results matter.  You don’t get a moral win for things you did right that don’t result in points.  If our defense didn’t play so well, most teams would have capitalized better on 4 turnovers.

 

Those mistakes negate the positives and typically lead to losses.  

 

Don’t confuse plays that give you hope as being better than results.  

 

Going 0-16, but losing every game by 3 points or less and having good stats still gets you fired.  

Criminy........

 

Its not like we have a team with a completely new offensive line, completely new running back corp, completely new receiver corp, a promising project QB with 2 years of low level college competition and 10 NFL games under his belt - 9 of which with an awful cast....and this years O lineup is still 1-2 years away from having a complete compliment of starters...

 

Yes - of course signs of progress on the offensive side - on the road - in an opener -  in this case are good....The pats have been running the same O with the same coordinators with the same QB and very little turnover for almost twenty years.... 

Edited September 9, 2019 by TH3