Gruden's destruction of the Raiders

[dave mcbride]

This is both well-reported and really, really damning: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/06/raiders-jon-gruden-mike-mayock-antonio-brown-mark-davis

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Just a shame Hard Knocks doesn’t get to tag along just as things are getting good! Interesting read, thanks for posting OP. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Damn....I forgot about the Bryant trade.  Steelers really have fleeced them twice with two different WR's.

[DD4Bills]

13 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Just a shame Hard Knocks doesn’t get to tag along just as things are getting good! Interesting read, thanks for posting OP. 

Maybe Amazon's "All or Nothing" crew can come in and continue the story.

[row_33]

they were totally destroyed years before Gruden's latest incarnation

 

[eball]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Mark Davis comes off as maybe an even bigger idiot than Gruden...

 

Absolutely.  And you've got to feel sorry for Del Rio.  It's like dating a girl who tells you if her ex-boyfriend ever is available again she's leaving you.

[TheFunPolice]

Weren't the Raiders already terrible?

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Weren't the Raiders already terrible?

 

 

 

...close, but MUCH closer now......think Davis should EXTEND Gruden...............

[Hapless Bills Fan]

LISTEN UP! 

Discuss the OP topic in this thread.

If you need to discuss your opinion on politics and the economy, take it elsewhere or to PPP

While you're at it, quit with the insult- slinging

 

I have other things to do than take the trash out of threads and dole warnings to keep a topical, football appropriate thread going so the ban hammer will start swinging hard else.

 

That is all.

[Coach Tuesday]

Based on that article it was Davis who destroyed the Raiders.  Which supports the Ben McAdoo Theory: anyone who sports a psychopath's haircut probably shouldn't be running a football team.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Coach Tuesday

[Rico]

They may be a mess now, but I think all will be good once they make the move. Vegas Raiders!

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...would not surprise me if Gruden/Davis say AB stays.......if Mayock disagrees, he should resign, save face, and return to NFLN/draft consulting work...this (DIS)organization could care less about image or embarrassment,.....

[Bangarang]

I’ll be shocked if 3 years from now Gruden is still the HC.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, eball said:

 

Absolutely.  And you've got to feel sorry for Del Rio.  It's like dating a girl who tells you if her ex-boyfriend ever is available again she's leaving you.

 

Indeed.  From the OP article:

"When Davis hired Jack Del Rio in 2015, after making yet another run at Gruden, he openly told his new head coach that he would continue trying to land the one who got away. “He was always very straightforward with the fact that he was in love with Jon, and if he had the chance, he was going to hire him,” Del Rio says now. “He said it every chance he got.”

I guess at least Mark Davis is consistent, but it kind of reminds me of the Demotivator poster: "Consistency.  It's only a virtue if you aren't a screw-up"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

they were totally destroyed years before Gruden's latest incarnation

 

But is that really true?  In the article, Vrentas and Bishop make the point that Del Rio led the Raiders to their best record in more than a decade in 2016.  It looked as though in his third year, Derek Carr was learning his craft and shaping into a guy they could win with.  They fell off a bit in 2017, having lost a couple key pieces and possibly by a foolish nostalgia for Marshawn Lynch among other things.

 

It was actually pretty inexplicable to me that they ditched del Rio for Gruden, but now it all makes sense.

 

[Say When...]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

I guess at least Mark Davis is consistent, but it kind of reminds me of the Demotivator poster: "Consistency.  It's only a virtue if you aren't a screw-up"

 

LOVE despair.com - demotivational posters, i will laugh till i cry at some of them; the 'retired' ones are pure gold.

 

My past teams have bought me two that are hanging up in my office currently.

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

...would not surprise me if Gruden/Davis say AB stays.......if Mayock disagrees, he should resign, save face, and return to NFLN/draft consulting work...this (DIS)organization could care less about image or embarrassment,.....

If AB stays, Mayock basically needs to resign, if only for self-respect reasons.

 

EDIT: ... and it looks like Brown might be playing in game one: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/06/report-real-chance-antonio-brown-plays-monday/ .

Edited September 6, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Lurker]

Seems like a tabloid / LAMP-type article to me.  I stopped reading at this:

 

    "Only 10 members of the Raiders’ 53-man roster—and just six offensive and defensive starters—have been with the team since before Gruden’s return."

 

If that's a slag on Chucky, then couldn't the same thing be said for the Bills and McBeane?    Or most NFL head coaches coming to a new team...

[Lurker]

44 minutes ago, Say When... said:

LOVE despair.com - demotivational posters, i will laugh till i cry at some of them;

 

Seems appropriate for this article....

 

[dave mcbride]

14 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Seems like a tabloid / LAMP-type article to me.  I stopped reading at this:

 

    "Only 10 members of the Raiders’ 53-man roster—and just six offensive and defensive starters—have been with the team since before Gruden’s return."

 

If that's a slag on Chucky, then couldn't the same thing be said for the Bills and McBeane?    Or most NFL head coaches coming to a new team...

They were 12-4 two years before.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Mistake #1 - Hiring Mayock

 

From what I recall his takes on games and players was always bad.  

 

[Doc]

That's what I said in the other thread.  Mayock's taking the fall for Gruden's failures.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I’d have expected the political message mod warning in the “cracker” thread.

 

Gruden.... I think he was right to walk away from the game when he did. We will see the on field product, but that .org looks like a disaster right now.

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Mistake #1 - Hiring Mayock

 

From what I recall his takes on games and players was always bad.  

 

 

His talent analysis and mock draft stuff always seemed way off to me, but I was assuming it was a media clickbait strategy 

[Doc]

He should have stayed walked-away.  But him returning was worth the entertainment factor.

[Little Dog]

Most nfl fans, sports writers were calling the Bills laughing stock because AP said no to the Bills and yes to the raiders. Bills and Bills fans gets the last laugh on this one lol 

[dollars 2 donuts]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

LISTEN UP! 

Discuss the OP topic in this thread.

If you need to discuss your opinion on politics and the economy, take it elsewhere or to PPP

While you're at it, quit with the insult- slinging

 

I have other things to do than take the trash out of threads and dole warnings to keep a topical, football appropriate thread going so the ban hammer will start swinging hard else.

 

That is all.

 

 

I take it something got going here?

 

Whatever it was, glad it was straightened out.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

4 minutes ago, Little Dog said:

Most nfl fans, sports writers were calling the Bills laughing stock because AP said no to the Bills and yes to the raiders. Bills and Bills fans gets the last laugh on this one lol 

 Hmmm. Last I heard he will be playing. Not sure why you feel like laughing. 

[flaz]

Probably because he feels the Circus is just beginning with AB and the Raiders. Not ending just because he will play this Sunday!

Like most of us

Edited September 6, 2019 by fl az fan

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

That's what I said in the other thread.  Mayock's taking the fall for Gruden's failures.

The GM gets the blame for GM choices.  

 

Not the HC

 

22 minutes ago, fl az fan said:

Probably because he feels the Circus is just beginning with AB and the Raiders. Not ending just because he will play this Sunday!

Like most of us

Did you take the wrong turn?

 

you were supposed to take the right turn to get to the Shout Box 

 

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

The GM gets the blame for GM choices.  

 

Not the HC

 

Gruden is running the (clown) show there.

[co_springs_billsfan]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

This is both well-reported and really, really damning: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/09/06/raiders-jon-gruden-mike-mayock-antonio-brown-mark-davis

Interesting read, thanks!

[T master]

I thought Gruden had more stones than this but its apparent he doesn't I will not watch any game that the Raiders are in this year If Al was still around things would be totally different !

 

The only reason why AB had a change of heart is because it was brought to his attention that there were 30 million reasons to go before his team mates & come up with a lame ass apology ! 

 

U can put lip stick on a pig but it's still a pig !! Just saying . I don't think we've heard the last of this soap opera ...

 

Gruden has sent a message to the locker room that as long as your a good player you can get away with most anything ! 

 

Not to mention the thing that AB calling Mayock a cracker what if it would have been the opposite ? You think the racism card would have been played in the media ? ?? 

Edited September 6, 2019 by T master

[row_33]

at least they will totally fry in a strong division

 

jokingly i could imagine them in an historically weak division where they would contend for the home playoff game going 7-9

 

 

[K-9]

15 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

The GM gets the blame for GM choices.  

 

Not the HC

 

Did you take the wrong turn?

 

you were supposed to take the right turn to get to the Shout Box 

 

Are you under the impression that Mayock is at the helm of that ship?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

12 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Are you under the impression that Mayock is at the helm of that ship?

To be honest I don’t know.   I just like to laugh at that train wreck. 

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Based on that article it was Davis who destroyed the Raiders.  Which supports the Ben McAdoo Theory: anyone who sports a psychopath's haircut probably shouldn't be running a football team.

 

I've...heard worse theories.

[BillsVet]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Based on that article it was Davis who destroyed the Raiders.  Which supports the Ben McAdoo Theory: anyone who sports a psychopath's haircut probably shouldn't be running a football team.

 

I've always thought, given the haircut, Mark Davis woulda fit in well with Harry and Lloyd in another Dumb and Dumber movie. 

[Rocky Landing]

Living in Los Angeles, it is my hope and dream to someday get tickets to a Bills @ Vegas Raiders game, grab a suite at the Rio for the weekend, and live it the f*** up. I'd hate to spend all that money and watch the Bills lose. So, keep up the good work, Gruden!

[H2o]

6 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

I've always thought, given the haircut, Mark Davis woulda fit in well with Harry and Lloyd in another Dumb and Dumber movie. 

When Jon met Mark

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

They were 12-4 two years before.

 

Big whoop.    Most head coaches want "their people" and will do whatever it takes to make that happen.    It's not unique to Gruden.   Defense-oriented coaches who play a 3-4 scheme will jettison players who fit a 4-3.   Offense-minded coaches who play air raid schemes will get rid of ground and pound guys.      

 

What the "other guy" did to get to 12-4 is irrelevant to them (but sadly not the fans, who everyone knows will spend their $$$ no matter what).    They're the #### of the walk until they're not, and will act accordingly...