Week One: Bills at Jets

[Royale with Cheese]

So I'm listening to 950 am and they have on one of the beat writers....Matt (last name?) on and they asked him what his thoughts are about just having 3 outside corners on the active roster.

He said that when he spoke with McDermott, he feels that Siran Neal could play outside in an emergency if they need.  I'm shocked about that....Neal on the outside will be heavily targeted if it came to that.

Edited September 3, 2019 by Royale with Cheese

[billsfan89]

20 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I've just spent 20 minutes reading the Jets gang green forum. It's actually quite funny. I'd say 99% of them are wildly overconfident. Picking your team to win is one thing but some of the comments verge on arrogance. You'd think they were the Patriots. They're talking about Bell having 200 all purpose yards and Darnold having a career day. This is weird especially in week 1 when you have no real evidence of anything yet. Go have a read, it's great.

 

I actually think the teams are very evenly matched after all the changes they've made. I feel good about the Bills this season but am far from over confident. Think it'll be a close game decided in the 4th quarter.

 

It's not like the Bills defense isn't at least a respectable unit. Also outside of Bell the offense is a bit of a mess around Bell and Darnold. Their O-line is a mess, their WR core is banged up and while not bad certainly isn't elite and Darnold didn't exactly light it up last year. The Bills meanwhile have a much improved offense and a defense that should remain respectable. The Bills also improved their return game and special teams. 

 

I think it is fine and dandy to predict a home win for your team but to pick a blowout is just silly. Hell I think the Bills win by 7 and I am not exactly super confident as I think both teams have similar talent levels. 

[thebandit27]

10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So I'm listening to 950 am and they have on one of the beat writers....Matt (last name?) on and they asked him what his thoughts are about just having 3 outside corners on the active roster.

He said that when he spoke with McDermott, he feels that Siran Neal could play outside in an emergency if they need.  I'm shocked about that....Neal on the outside will be heavily targeted if it came to that.

 

That's not what McDermott said.  He said that Neal could play in the slot, and that Taron Johnson could slide outside in an emergency.

[SWATeam]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's not what McDermott said.  He said that Neal could play in the slot, and that Taron Johnson could slide outside in an emergency.

I heard Beane say that Neal can go outside.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's not what McDermott said.  He said that Neal could play in the slot, and that Taron Johnson could slide outside in an emergency.

 

I'm not doubting you, I was working at the same time I was listening to my attention was divided.  But I swear the beat writer said Neal on the outside...he mentioned that it was surprising to him.  When its up on demand...I'm going to listen to it again.  

[r00tabaga]

Bell and Robbie scare me but one is rusty (hopefully) .......and the other is hobbled. Their TE is suspended and Oline is meh.

 

Their defense is strong against the run so we can expose them on the boundaries.

 

Still think we steal one there.

 

Buffalo 21-10......close game til 4th

Edited September 3, 2019 by r00tabaga

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm not doubting you, I was working at the same time I was listening to my attention was divided.  But I swear the beat writer said Neal on the outside...he mentioned that it was surprising to him.  When its up on demand...I'm going to listen to it again.  

 

There's just as good a chance that I missed something when I listened.

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

There's just as good a chance that I missed something when I listened.

 

Have you been drinking since 10:00 am like me?

[Gugny]

16 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

So I'm listening to 950 am and they have on one of the beat writers....Matt (last name?) on and they asked him what his thoughts are about just having 3 outside corners on the active roster.

He said that when he spoke with McDermott, he feels that Siran Neal could play outside in an emergency if they need.  I'm shocked about that....Neal on the outside will be heavily targeted if it came to that.

 

5 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's not what McDermott said.  He said that Neal could play in the slot, and that Taron Johnson could slide outside in an emergency.

 

4 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

I heard Beane say that Neal can go outside.

 

Seems to me someone in this here conversation is being ... untruthful ....

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

 

 

Seems to me someone in this here conversation is being ... untruthful ....

 

Maybe it was Beane and not McDermott who said it.  I was just casually listening to the interview....I swore he said Neal on the outside in an emergency.  

I guess in a zone defense, he could be okay in it.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

On 9/2/2019 at 10:07 AM, Protocal69 said:

He had those rushing yards because he couldn’t make the right reads. I can tell you really don’t watch games around the league. Yes Josh is a nice talent but he is far from the greatest mobile quarterback ever trust me. Forget ever I can name at least 5 qb in the league who if they wanted to run could run  like Josh could. 

 

Josh is the only one who has walked the walk when it comes to putting up dominating rushing yards. Other QB's might be just as athletic or mobile on paper but they haven't actually been as mobile or prolific at running as Josh was in the final six games last year. There could be many reasons why or why not. You even suggest that JA's big arm (and I would also throw in gunslinger mentality) helps open up the running lanes for him. That is a trait that Josh has that most other mobile QB's do not and should be considered a positive.

 

Even all that aside, my argument was simply Josh vs Darnold. I think we can all agree that both Darnold and Allen were sub par last year as passers. The raw statistics certainly suggest such. But how were both as runners? If we want to measure on a simple 1-10 scale you could say Josh was a 9.5 -10 in the final six games. What was Darnold? Maybe a 5?

 

Darnold was statistically a better passer than Allen but it wasn't by the wide margin that we see when we compare the two QB's raw rushing numbers. If we were to apply the same simple 1-10 scale for passing efficiency where would we rank them? Maybe Allen is a 4 and Darnold is a 5.5?

 

I just don't see any reason to believe Darnold is a better QB at everything in totality.

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Maybe it was Beane and not McDermott who said it.  I was just casually listening to the interview....I swore he said Neal on the outside in an emergency.  

I guess in a zone defense, he could be okay in it.

 

Ah shoot, you're right; it was Beane that I heard talk about Taron outside.

[YoloinOhio]

36 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I've just spent 20 minutes reading the Jets gang green forum. It's actually quite funny. I'd say 99% of them are wildly overconfident. Picking your team to win is one thing but some of the comments verge on arrogance. You'd think they were the Patriots. They're talking about Bell having 200 all purpose yards and Darnold having a career day. This is weird especially in week 1 when you have no real evidence of anything yet. Go have a read, it's great.

 

I actually think the teams are very evenly matched after all the changes they've made. I feel good about the Bills this season but am far from over confident. Think it'll be a close game decided in the 4th quarter.

And that was just the posts from ScottLaw

[Say When...]

12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Have you been drinking since 10:00 am like me?

 

day drinkin' is the BEST kind of drinkin'

[Mat68]

GW defenses are susceptible to Big plays.  Allen hits a few deep passes, shows more maturity and takes the check down Buffalo wins.  28-17.  

[Mat68]

Darnold has not impressed me since that 4 game stretch in 2016.  A year from hitting holes and NFL speed will be a factor for Bell.  The Jets oline is bottom third, the Steelers were top 5.  Offseason champs dont live up to the hype.

[Captain Murica]

20 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

Some thoughts from Jest fans...

 

 

 

 

 

I mean, we have our fair share of homers. But, these guys are on a whole another level. I love them throwing out lingo like 21 personnel and such to sound like their football matches their outrageous takes as to thinking they’ll win by 2 scores. This game will be close. 

[Kelly the Dog]

31 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Have you been drinking since 10:00 am like me?

Slacker. You can't drink all day unless you start first thing in the morning. 

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Slacker. You can't drink all day unless you start first thing in the morning. 

 

I woke up at 9:59.

[JerseyBills]

39 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Maybe it was Beane and not McDermott who said it.  I was just casually listening to the interview....I swore he said Neal on the outside in an emergency.  

I guess in a zone defense, he could be okay in it.

Secondary is one group where they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Kevin Johnson looks like another great addition as well. 

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm not sure how a Bills or Jets fan can be widely overconfident. Both have been bottom of the barrel franchise for a long time. 

We're 15-17 last 2 seasons ,w/ playoff berth. Easily could be 17-15 if Clay catches pass in Miami and Allen didn't get hurt @ Houston. 

Jets are 9-23 in same span.

 

They made 2 splashy signings and suddenly they're contenders?! The more I'm looking at this game, more confident I am in Buff. Jets are very overrated imo.

 

Jets have been bottom of barrel,not Buf

Edited September 3, 2019 by JerseyBills

[BillsFan4]

 

 

good read. 

[Say When...]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I'm not sure how a Bills or Jets fan can be widely overconfident. Both have been bottom of the barrel franchise for a long time. 

 

i actually agree with this, no doubt i understand some "we improved" enthusiasm from either side but to think one is SO much better than the other (or headed straight to the playoffs) is homerism oozing from the glands.  baby steps people.

 

6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Secondary is one group where they deserve the benefit of the doubt. Kevin Johnson looks like another great addition as well. 

We're 15-17 last 2 seasons ,w/ playoff berth. Easily could be 17-15 if Clay catches pass in Miami and Allen didn't get hurt @ Houston. 

Jets are 9-23 in same span.

 

Jets have been bottom of barrel,not Buf

 

a losing record is a losing record and we both got em; it's the cream of the crap theory - we're just that much better than the other's that suck.

[NickelCity]

32 minutes ago, Captain Murica said:

I mean, we have our fair share of homers. But, these guys are on a whole another level. I love them throwing out lingo like 21 personnel and such to sound like their football matches their outrageous takes as to thinking they’ll win by 2 scores. This game will be close. 

 

The last quote in your screenshot is how the Jets would win, if they do. Sam is great at dink and dunk. I think our defense is a bit overrated. Maybe it's their style of D that's hard to judge?

Edited September 3, 2019 by NickelCity

[Rocky Landing]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I'm not doubting you, I was working at the same time I was listening to my attention was divided.  But I swear the beat writer said Neal on the outside...he mentioned that it was surprising to him.  When its up on demand...I'm going to listen to it again.  

If either Taron, or Siran had to play outside, that would mean both White and Wallace we’re out? That would not be good, but it’s not high on my list of things to worry about. 

[Royale with Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

If either Taron, or Siran had to play outside, that would mean both White and Wallace we’re out? That would not be good, but it’s not high on my list of things to worry about. 

 

What brought up that topic was the 3rd preseason game when both White and Wallace went down for a period of time.

[Rocky Landing]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What brought up that topic was the 3rd preseason game when both White and Wallace went down for a period of time.

Even at that point, the two Johnsons are not a terrible duo. And Siran would not be a terrible NCB. 

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

He said that when he spoke with McDermott, he feels that Siran Neal could play outside in an emergency if they need.  I'm shocked about that....Neal on the outside will be heavily targeted if it came to that.

 

I think they plan on re-signing Captain Munnerlyn after week 1. Veteran contracts are guaranteed before week 1. So Neal would only be an emergency CB for the Jets game. Beyond that I expect them to carry 4 outside corners, and it wouldn't surprise me if Neal is cut and added to the PS to make way for Munnerlyn.

Edited September 3, 2019 by HappyDays

[NickelCity]

8 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think they plan on re-signing Captain Munnerlyn after week 1. Veteran contracts are guaranteed before week 1. So Neal would only be an emergency CB for the Jets game. Beyond that I expect them to carry 4 outside corners, and it wouldn't surprise me if Neal is cut and added to the PS to make way for Munnerlyn.

 

I think they re-sign Munnerlyn, but I don't think they're going to cut Neal to do so. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/1/2019 at 5:07 PM, arcane said:

QB, WR, RB, DT. Maybe more, but I'm not super familiar with their roster

 

QB.  Hmmm.  We'll see.  Sam Darnold should be better, but he wasn't overall as better as he's expected to be better.  He had a significantly higher completion %.

 

WR: Robby Anderson, Jamison Crowder, and Quincy Enunwa >> John Brown, Cole Beasley, and Zay Jones?  Hmmmm.  We'll see.

 

RB, no contest at all.  If we can contain Bell, and put some pressure on Darnold, we can do this thing.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Captain Murica said:

I mean, we have our fair share of homers. But, these guys are on a whole another level. I love them throwing out lingo like 21 personnel and such to sound like their football matches their outrageous takes as to thinking they’ll win by 2 scores. This game will be close. 

 

All the teams we played last year after the Vikes had "Keep Allen in the Pocket" on their menu.  The trick is so doing. 

[3rdand12]

11 hours ago, Buffalophil1948 said:

Again? Ok, but I'm running out of small creatures. 

neighbors kids work pretty well. i mean the stinky and snot nosed ones walk on your lawn.

Fare game

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I think they plan on re-signing Captain Munnerlyn after week 1. Veteran contracts are guaranteed before week 1. So Neal would only be an emergency CB for the Jets game. Beyond that I expect them to carry 4 outside corners, and it wouldn't surprise me if Neal is cut and added to the PS to make way for Munnerlyn.

I think you’ll see Marlow or one of the OL released. Not Neal.  Beane said today on One Bills Live he’s not sure how long they’ll carry 10 OL on the roster.  

[Buffalophil1948]

10 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

neighbors kids work pretty well. i mean the stinky and snot nosed ones walk on your lawn.

Fare game

Tried it a couple of times. Waaaaay to many people asking questions after those. And it didn't seem to help.

[SCBills]

I don’t know that any of us have a clue what to expect from our offense.  

 

Jets defense is stout up the middle but lack EDGE, with weak Linebacker/Secondary play outside Mosley and Adams.  

 

Our OL will be playing together for the first time.  Good and bad there.  Bad, because we have to hope they gel quick.  Good, because there’s a decent amount of talent on our line.   

 

How will we use all the new weapons together... John Brown, Cole Beasley, Frank Gore, Devin Singletary.... what will the tight end spot look like?.. Do Zay and/or Foster make a jump?   Has Allen progressed enough to efficiently use the new weapons?  

[3rdand12]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Even at that point, the two Johnsons are not a terrible duo. And Siran would not be a terrible NCB. 

yep

2 minutes ago, Buffalophil1948 said:

Tried it a couple of times. Waaaaay to many people asking questions after those. And it didn't seem to help.

you might be doing it wrong.
but i respect your opinion.

[Buffalophil1948]

3 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

yep

you might be doing it wrong.
but i respect your opinion.

Do you have any kids. Practice never hurts 

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I don’t know that any of us have a clue what to expect from our offense.  

 

Jets defense is stout up the middle but lack EDGE, with weak Linebacker/Secondary play outside Mosley and Adams.  

 

Our OL will be playing together for the first time.  Good and bad there.  Bad, because we have to hope they gel quick.  Good, because there’s a decent amount of talent on our line.   

 

How will we use all the new weapons together... John Brown, Cole Beasley, Frank Gore, Devin Singletary.... what will the tight end spot look like?.. Do Zay and/or Foster make a jump?   Has Allen progressed enough to efficiently use the new weapons?  

I expect the O line to punch the Jets in the face early and often. They must know they need to win the line of scrimmage.
 gwilliams knows his weaknesses. he aint dumb he just aint that smart.
I do think our LBs better show they have improved at the run. Bell will exploit gaps left untended.
 

 Protect Josh

do not get gashed by the run and Bills will be fine

4 minutes ago, Buffalophil1948 said:

Do you have any kids. Practice never hurts 

I did . Practice makes perfect they say. we are making the playoffs this year btw. he promised me

 

 

 

 

 

too dark ?

But yes i have 4 wonderful kids and four awesome Grands !!!

Edited September 4, 2019 by 3rdand12

[Mango]

On 9/1/2019 at 7:15 PM, MassHog said:

Personally, I think it's hard to say Darnold is better than Allen. When you account for what Allen can do on the feet, i'd say based off last years numbers they're pretty even. 

Darnold had 18 touchdowns (including rushing) and 15 interceptions last year in 13 games. Josh Allen had 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions in 12 games. 

 

I really only see them being convincingly better than us at RB and Punter? WRs seem like a pretty even match up, as does Offensive Line since both teams have completely retooled their lines.  Jamal Adams may be a better player than Hyde and Poyer, but the tandem of Hyde and Poyer is better than Adams and Maye. Tre'Day is infinitely better than any corner on their team, our Linebackers are definitely better, and I think I would take Jerry Hughes over any pass rusher on their team. 

 

Sam Darnold is better at throwing the football accurately, or precisely, or whatever we’ve agreed to call it now. 

[3rdand12]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Interested to see the rushing defense.

 

Cant get gashed on the ground or it could be a long day.

weakness the Bills need to overcome. and they know it. i expect it to be addressed

[Mango]

On 9/2/2019 at 9:17 AM, thebandit27 said:

 

I don't worry as much about the OL because Greggo's teams have often been flummoxed by QBs that can get the ball out quickly to shifty WRs. But if Allen isn't in rhythm, then yeah, the importance of the OL holding up gets magnified.

 

Allen has yet to really show he’s a QB who gets the ball out quickly or looks for the underneath routes. That doesn’t mean he can’t, it just mean he hasn’t yet. If that’s been the focus all offseason for him, we are about to get a good look at it week one.

 

I don’t know why, but I am having nightmares this week of a Doug Marrone offense/game plan, where we play a stout front 7 (like the Jets), and come out with a game plan to run right at it, like a bunch of a-holes.