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46 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I read it all, and I read it twice. Another factor that created the bitterness between the two was the command by Wilson to Phillips to start Johnson - who went on to perform terribly against TN in a game the Bills should have won going away. That, I suspect, was the straw that broke the proberbial camel’s back for both Butler AND AJ Smith. That decision was all Wilson.

That was a bad move by Ralph.  But if you go back and watch that game Johnson didn’t play that bad.

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i’m A god. Not THEE god..  

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On 8/31/2019 at 9:52 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Very true wrt the bold. But funny that neither Whaley nor Beane were given the chance to hire "their coach". With Beane that seems to be ok since it was the coach that picked him, so there is at least some expectance of synergy. But Whaley was never given the chance to be a full GM. He was never given a chance to learn and grow as a 1st time GM, and get a second crack at finding a QB, like so many other GMs around the league have been given.

 

This is all part of the ongoing cycle of futility at One Bills Drive.

 

If Beane shows he can build a roster as well as Whaley did, then by all means he should be retained and given an opportunity to find another QB if Allen doesnt work out. Blowing up the whole thing based on not immediately finding the hardest position to fill in possibly all professional sports is just keeping this team bogged down.

 

 

 

Jury is still out, but in general I would lean towards giving him the benefit of the doubt and giving him a 2nd chance (if needed). Otherwise, we have to clean house, rebuild the ENTIRE roster as new GMs want to do AND find a new QB on top of it. It's much easier to keep your existing roster and maintain it, while taking more shots at QB.

 

 

All reports indicated that Whaley wanted Watson. And whether we went Watson or Mahomes, it's been shown that either were a good pick.

 

Now, whether our coaching staff could develop Watson or Mahomes like Offensive gurus O'Brien and Reid is the main question. (Spoiler Alert: they cant)

 

 

The talent was there, the team WAS close to being a contender. That 2014 team that went 9-7, beat the Packers and almost beat the Broncos in Denver was so close.

 

Lack of QB, poor Offensive coaching (Marrone destroying the OL and Hackett being horrible), and constant turnover at DC, is what sunk those teams.

 

The only part of that on Whaley is the QB, and he should have been given another chance to find one if this were a competently managed franchise.

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1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I read it all, and I read it twice. Another factor that created the bitterness between the two was the command by Wilson to Phillips to start Johnson - who went on to perform terribly against TN in a game the Bills should have won going away. That, I suspect, was the straw that broke the proberbial camel’s back for both Butler AND AJ Smith. That decision was all Wilson.

 

Well that's total BS so who knows if anything else stated is true?  Johnson played decent and left the field with the team ahead.  Flutie did not have a good season that year at all, they won in spite of him, not becasue of him.  The first year he was here and started, he played great.  But after about 10 to 12 games defenses figured him out and the 2nd year, he was OK, but nothing special. 

 

I'll grant you he was very good at one thing, deflecting blame.  When ever he was questioned about anything in post game press conference about his performance, he'd turn the question around to something else.  Great way to push the blame elsewhere without ever being accused of pointing fingers.

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On 8/31/2019 at 10:39 AM, Big Blitz said:

 

 

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Maybe with Shady.... Duke has been here 8 months and wasn't guaranteed a thing.  Neither was Shady for that matter.  

Beane's public statement about Shady all year has been "He's our Guy"I now find that to be very deceptive to fans and player.Shady didn't have clue what was coming down the pike,as he told a friend of mine at canalside after taking a picture with him that we're definitely making the playoffs.

Beane did the same thing speaking about Duke Williams on a television broadcast thurday.

I found Beane to be a smart GM with character and sincerity in the process.

So my opinion of him now is...he has a little snake in him! 

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2 minutes ago, Buffaloflash said:

Beane's public statement about Shady all year has been "He's our Guy"I now find that to be very deceptive to fans and player.Shady didn't have clue what was coming down the pike,as he told a friend of mine at canalside after taking a picture with him that we're definitely making the playoffs.

Beane did the same thing speaking about Duke Williams on a television broadcast thurday.

I found Beane to be a smart GM with character and sincerity in the process.

So my opinion of him now is...he has a little snake in him! 

 

OMG! Are you telling me that when GMs and coaches say stuff they aren't telling your exactly what they plan on doing? I thought that was in the NFL bylaws!

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23 minutes ago, Buffaloflash said:

Beane's public statement about Shady all year has been "He's our Guy"I now find that to be very deceptive to fans and player.Shady didn't have clue what was coming down the pike,as he told a friend of mine at canalside after taking a picture with him that we're definitely making the playoffs.

Beane did the same thing speaking about Duke Williams on a television broadcast thurday.

I found Beane to be a smart GM with character and sincerity in the process.

So my opinion of him now is...he has a little snake in him! 

 

If McCoy didn't see this coming, then he's a moron.  And I don't think McCoy is a moron.

 

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2 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

A "God" seriously. Isn't Beane just doing the things he is supposed to be doing. He is a little shrewd and makes some moves...but let the Bills get in the playoffs first.

Yeah, kinda crazy calling him a God because he was able to get a few late round picks for guys they may have otherwise cut. (Guys who fans felt were horrible, but the 'God' thought highly enough of to bring in as starters)

He didn't rob teams like other teams did to the Texans this weekend, and he didn't make the team any better this year with those moves (but he didn't really make them any worse either....)

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2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

If McCoy didn't see this coming, then he's a moron.  And I don't think McCoy is a moron.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

If McCoy didn't see this coming, then he's a moron.  And I don't think McCoy is a moron.

 

As I stated,Shady didn't see it coming!

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1 hour ago, apuszczalowski said:

Yeah, kinda crazy calling him a God because he was able to get a few late round picks for guys they may have otherwise cut. (Guys who fans felt were horrible, but the 'God' thought highly enough of to bring in as starters)

He didn't rob teams like other teams did to the Texans this weekend, and he didn't make the team any better this year with those moves (but he didn't really make them any worse either....)

Ok...if thats your definition of God Like. When the results are in let me know.

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2 hours ago, Buffaloflash said:

Beane's public statement about Shady all year has been "He's our Guy"I now find that to be very deceptive to fans and player.Shady didn't have clue what was coming down the pike,as he told a friend of mine at canalside after taking a picture with him that we're definitely making the playoffs.

Beane did the same thing speaking about Duke Williams on a television broadcast thurday.

I found Beane to be a smart GM with character and sincerity in the process.

So my opinion of him now is...he has a little snake in him! 

I was fooled too.  But being a GM is a poker game.  Gettlemen said that the Giants were not drafting a QB with their 1 pick this year-then they shock the world and select Daniel Jones.   There is always misinformation being put out by GMs.

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2 hours ago, Buffaloflash said:

Beane's public statement about Shady all year has been "He's our Guy"I now find that to be very deceptive to fans and player.Shady didn't have clue what was coming down the pike,as he told a friend of mine at canalside after taking a picture with him that we're definitely making the playoffs.

Beane did the same thing speaking about Duke Williams on a television broadcast thurday.

I found Beane to be a smart GM with character and sincerity in the process.

So my opinion of him now is...he has a little snake in him! 

Lol no one cares what you say.

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9 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said:

He was demoted after not getting a pick for Shady.

If Shady had the market value to be worth a trade, then he wouldn't have had to take a pay cut after hitting the open market (let alone a large one like he did). The evidence is there in retrospect that Beane couldn't have done better.

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21 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Well that's total BS so who knows if anything else stated is true?  Johnson played decent and left the field with the team ahead.  Flutie did not have a good season that year at all, they won in spite of him, not becasue of him.  The first year he was here and started, he played great.  But after about 10 to 12 games defenses figured him out and the 2nd year, he was OK, but nothing special. 

 

I'll grant you he was very good at one thing, deflecting blame.  When ever he was questioned about anything in post game press conference about his performance, he'd turn the question around to something else.  Great way to push the blame elsewhere without ever being accused of pointing fingers.

He was 10-22 for 131 yards, was sacked 6 times, and lost a fumble in his own end zone! How is that anything but a bad game? This against a pass D that was 20th in net yards per pass allowed, 25th in td passes allowed, and 27th in passing yards allowed. The Tennessee D was also 15th in points allowed and 17th in yards allowed in a 29 -team league. And those numbers were goosed a little by playing an expansion team in the second week of the season and smothering them.

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2 hours ago, nucci said:

Butler's contract was expiring that February, Ralph offered him a new one and Butler declined. Can't go in to the off-season without a GM

 

....friend of mine was at OBD the day Ralph pulled the trigger......sent me a text as soon as it happened......he was AJ Smith/Bills West bound period.....

 

Butler Out As GM Of Bills

December 19, 2000 / 2:52 PM / CBS/AP

 

Buffalo fired general manager John Butler on Tuesday, saying it couldn't wait any longer for him to decide whether he would be staying with the Bills.

The 54-year-old Butler, recognized as one of the best at spotting talented players, was in the final year of his contract, and he was being courted by other teams. News of his firing was first reported by the Buffalo News.

 

 

"John Butler has been dismissed of his duties as executive vice president and general manager of the club effective immediately," owner Ralph Wilson said in a statement.

 

"The reason for the dismissal is because John has refused to give me an answer as to his future intentions," Wilson said. "The time has come to move forward and therefore I can wait no longer to see who will be the Bills' general manager after this season."

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/butler-out-as-gm-of-bills/

 

 

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....friend of mine was at OBD the day Ralph pulled the trigger......sent me a text as soon as it happened......

 

Butler Out As GM Of Bills

December 19, 2000 / 2:52 PM / CBS/AP

 

Buffalo fired general manager John Butler on Tuesday, saying it couldn't wait any longer for him to decide whether he would be staying with the Bills.

The 54-year-old Butler, recognized as one of the best at spotting talented players, was in the final year of his contract, and he was being courted by other teams. News of his firing was first reported by the Buffalo News.

 

 

"John Butler has been dismissed of his duties as executive vice president and general manager of the club effective immediately," owner Ralph Wilson said in a statement.

 

"The reason for the dismissal is because John has refused to give me an answer as to his future intentions," Wilson said. "The time has come to move forward and therefore I can wait no longer to see who will be the Bills' general manager after this season."

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/butler-out-as-gm-of-bills/

 

 

I called in to FavTv show with Brinson...Butler was on and i asked him about this...how can you be the GM without signing an extension...gave me some bull....answer about working hard.....

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3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....friend of mine was at OBD the day Ralph pulled the trigger......sent me a text as soon as it happened......he was AJ Smith/Bills West bound period.....

 

Butler Out As GM Of Bills

December 19, 2000 / 2:52 PM / CBS/AP

 

Buffalo fired general manager John Butler on Tuesday, saying it couldn't wait any longer for him to decide whether he would be staying with the Bills.

The 54-year-old Butler, recognized as one of the best at spotting talented players, was in the final year of his contract, and he was being courted by other teams. News of his firing was first reported by the Buffalo News.

 

 

"John Butler has been dismissed of his duties as executive vice president and general manager of the club effective immediately," owner Ralph Wilson said in a statement.

 

"The reason for the dismissal is because John has refused to give me an answer as to his future intentions," Wilson said. "The time has come to move forward and therefore I can wait no longer to see who will be the Bills' general manager after this season."

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/butler-out-as-gm-of-bills/

 

 

“So having said that, the stories about the meddling owner rose after Butler was deposed and there were less than flattering accounts of Wilson's treatment of JB. I can't find the story online, but I recall that Wilson reveled in throwing a dig at Butler's working class background and his previous work as a janitor or something like that, after military service. Again, don't recall the exact story details, but the the underlying theme was that Wilson never gave Butler credit and did not feel that he was worthy of a top GM rank. To me, offering to double a $600K salary, when the going rate for a top GM is $2-$3 million is insulting, especially when I'm the one who built the best team you ever had.”

 

i have always thought and still do that Wilson did not like Butler and forced him out. Apparently others thought so too, despite what Wilson wanted to spin.  

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24 minutes ago, Jkjk said:

“So having said that, the stories about the meddling owner rose after Butler was deposed and there were less than flattering accounts of Wilson's treatment of JB. I can't find the story online, but I recall that Wilson reveled in throwing a dig at Butler's working class background and his previous work as a janitor or something like that, after military service. Again, don't recall the exact story details, but the the underlying theme was that Wilson never gave Butler credit and did not feel that he was worthy of a top GM rank. To me, offering to double a $600K salary, when the going rate for a top GM is $2-$3 million is insulting, especially when I'm the one who built the best team you ever had.”

 

i have always thought and still do that Wilson did not like Butler and forced him out. Apparently others thought so too, despite what Wilson wanted to spin.  

...not finding fault with Butler on his grave....did not know the salary disparity, but then again Ralph fought Wade for his "you quit...no you fired me" 800 grand HC salary and lost....Donohole hired Greggy for 900 grand as HC so "frugal fits"...much has been made about Butler's cap jail, but that has passed...RIP John, you did your best IMO...

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22 minutes ago, colin said:

 

lol, you mean that late round pick who has looked really good in preaseason?

Who sets the edge well and sometimes gets after the QB? Everyone is so down on Shaq when he is exactly what we need in a defense that couldn't stop the run.

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10 minutes ago, nucci said:

We've been without a competent GM for so long that we get excited by a normal operation

Now we are excited about the "potential" of moves by the GM. I suppose it can be exciting to witness a roster build unfold right?

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There is only one God. But seriously, on paper and moves that Beane has made look pretty good to me.  I do not agree with the Shady cut, but financially speaking and for the good of the team maybe this was for the best? 

 

How does Beane reach elite status within the circle of upper echelon GM’s? 1) Allen truly needs to take the next step- the regime will live and die by him. 2) they must get into the playoffs and not just sneak it- it is time to put together a strong season of 10-6 or 11-5. 3) Next season they need to reach the championship game/Super Bowl.

 

In my opinion, if these milestones are not achieved then he will be viewed by the NFL as average at best. 

 

Go Bills

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