Miami considers itself the leader for acquiring Clowney; he doesn’t want to go there

[Mat68]

Nyske and a 2nd and it's a wrap

[ColoradoBills]

badboy said: ↑

I don't like O'Brien but let's wait to see what he gets before castigating him

O'Brien will get bent over on a Clowney deal. I will own these words and wear a Buttchin avatar if proven wrong. But, I won't be.

 

Lucky, 7 minutes ago

#4691

 

 

 

From the Texans board!

 

[YoloinOhio]

I don’t understand why Miami would trade Tunsil either (but not complaining if they do)

 

[dubs]

48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 

Wait, the eagles would get Clowney AND a first for Dillard?!?  

 

Dillard was the 22nd pick. Good chance the Texans are drafting in that range in 2020. 

 

Jeez 

 

[BringBackFergy]

Clowney is NOT Beane material. 

 

1) Puts self before team. 

2) Favors Seattle and Philly over Fish? See ya. Have fun bro. 

3) Was talking with @GoBills808 and @GunnerBill today and if Clowney already knows who he wants to sign with, our 1 year rental is a waste of dinero. 

4) Questionable work ethic (unless you want to watch his ONE play in college and see him destroy a RB in the backfield). Other than that, he’s just another pre-Madonna 

[LSHMEAB]

3 hours ago, Chemical said:

 

I suspect some Bills fans are too fond of draft picks and cap space. They lose sight of the fact that those things become players and usually players  not quite as good as Clowney.

It's the Beane effect. I'm not saying his approach won't work, but the way he went about reshaping the roster has definitely made the FANS focus too much on cap space, in particular.

 

You look around the league at teams with tons of good players and they constantly find ways to wiggle around the cap. I like to think Beane took the approach he took because he didn't believe the players jettisoned fit his vision and not because he believed the ultimate goal was to have the most cap space. The one aspect of his approach, which is clear, is that the draft is the way to build this particular franchise. It's the correct approach. Reality is we're very unlikely to be one of the desirable FA destinations, so your ability to draft well is a little more important than other locales.

 

The least of my concerns regarding the team at this point in time is cap space.

[Happy]

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

Clowney is NOT Beane material. 

 

1) Puts self before team. 

2) Favors Seattle and Philly over Fish? See ya. Have fun bro. 

3) Was talking with @GoBills808 and @GunnerBill today and if Clowney already knows who he wants to sign with, our 1 year rental is a waste of dinero. 

4) Questionable work ethic (unless you want to watch his ONE play in college and see him destroy a RB in the backfield). Other than that, he’s just another pre-Madonna 

 

How can you say all this? ?  There are so many on this board that think Clowney would be the answer to all our defensive problems and will get like 50 sacks this year.  To think otherwise is stupid, or so I've read.

[ndirish1978]

O'Brien wants to help out an old buddy and get something for an asset he can't hold on to. He was likely behind Gaine's ouster in favor of the guy from NE and was rebuffed by the Patriots with a lawsuit. He isn't going to trade Clowney for anything less than highway robbery to Brian Gaine's new team or else he'd be helping make himself look bad.

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

O'Brien wants to help out an old buddy and get something for an asset he can't hold on to. He was likely behind Gaine's ouster in favor of the guy from NE and was rebuffed by the Patriots with a lawsuit. He isn't going to trade Clowney for anything less than highway robbery to Brian Gaine's new team or else he'd be helping make himself look bad.

I definitely think the Bills were very interested, but squeezed out. May not have been willing to part with as much, maybe Clowney wasn’t interested, or BOB didn’t take their calls (fall out with Gaine)

Edited August 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[Buftex]

I hate the Dolphins, so admittedly, I don't know all the intricacy of their roster....but I thought they were in the process of tearing it down and re-building.  They traded for Rosen....would't keeping Kenny Stills for him to throw to, benefit them a lot more, in the long-run, than trading for Clowney?  

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

iirc where they play the game can affect the taxes taken out of game checks.

 

Yes you pay taxes for away games as well as local taxes even if state has terrible schools due to lack of state income tax.

[aristocrat]

Why would they make this move? They need picks not giving multiple assets for a guy

[Mat68]

47 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

I grant you this, but my rebuttal is...........

 

What has Houston done with Clowney and what makes you think he can take the Bills to the next level when Clowney hasn’t done it on the same team with Hopkins and Watt on it?

Clowney had a major impact on that defense.  Imo, their is a massive front office/ coaching staff disconnect in that organization. 

 

The last 3 to 5 years has been a power struggle of sorts since their longtime GM/President, semi retired, returned, and retired.  I think Clowneys contract status unfolded all during this time.  From my understanding contract talks started and stopped multiple times, and now its deteriorated.  

 

Why a player can agree to a contract is largely irrelevant.  Clowney hasnt been a cancer like AB.  NFL players are starting to flex some negotiating muscle for the first time.  The franchise tag is *****..  The tag wasnt intended for what it is used for.  It was a fall safe for teams to have some leverage to negotiate long term.  More often then not teams low ball the player and dont negotiate in good faith.  

 

Buffalo has a foundation.  They have found a winning formula imo.  What makes Buffalo a playoff contender or Superbowl contender are a few impact players.  Whether its trade, Fa, or development.  Clowney would be an impact player.  

[LSHMEAB]

10 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

 

Wait, the eagles would get Clowney AND a first for Dillard?!?  

 

Dillard was the 22nd pick. Good chance the Texans are drafting in that range in 2020. 

 

Jeez 

 

Yeah. That has to be a mistake. No chance the Eagles are getting a first and Clowney for a recent draft pick that the Texans passed on 3 picks before the Eagles took him. Fake news.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Buftex said:

I hate the Dolphins, so admittedly, I don't know all the intricacy of their roster....but I thought they were in the process of tearing it down and re-building.  They traded for Rosen....would't keeping Kenny Stills for him to throw to, benefit them a lot more, in the long-run, than trading for Clowney?  

Yes and Stills seems to have good games against the Bills. I would love for them to trade him. With his rift with ownership/HC though I think they want to move on. Please do.

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I definitely think the Bills were very interested, but squeezed out. 

Yeah, I think Beane is all in on Clowney.  Especially if he thought he could get him for a 2nd.  Chances are, no second rounder is doing what he does and having a free agent the caliber of him choose buffalo as his home is unlikely imo.  Get him here, franchise him and hope after 2 years he loves it.  If it’s obvious after season one it isn’t going to happen, trade him

[PlayoffsPlease]

 

 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, djp14150 said:

 

 

Texas currently doesnt have income tax either....dont think that is a real issue

 

Since he got a franchise tag---my understanding--- even if traded he cant sign an extension until after the season.

 

That is correct so you would be taking his word that he would sign another contract and what agreeable terms are which is something our front office would know from Gaine being there.  Any high level pick IMO is too much risk for one year rental with no experience in system.

[CSBill]

12 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Clowney is NOT Beane material. 

 

1) Puts self before team. 

2) Favors Seattle and Philly over Fish? See ya. Have fun bro. 

3) Was talking with @GoBills808 and @GunnerBill today and if Clowney already knows who he wants to sign with, our 1 year rental is a waste of dinero. 

4) Questionable work ethic (unless you want to watch his ONE play in college and see him destroy a RB in the backfield). Other than that, he’s just another pre-Madonna 

 

Yuuup!

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Yeah. That has to be a mistake. No chance the Eagles are getting a first and Clowney for a recent draft pick that the Texans passed on 3 picks before the Eagles took him. Fake news.

Not necessarily. Dillard is a guy the Texans reportedly coveted in the draft and didn’t get. He’s a player at a position of big time need who they would have on a rookie deal up to 5 years. Clowney is a player who carries a giant tag # for 2019 and no guarantee he doesn’t walk after this year - you can tag him a 2nd time but that’s a 19+ mill cap hit if you do. Eagles are an immediate contender and already have peters at LT. It’s a “Win” for both, eagles take a LT next year instead with the extra 1st. Seems crazy but Dillard’s worth > Clowney’s worth right now 

Edited August 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, I think Beane is all in on Clowney.  Especially if he thought he could get him for a 2nd.  Chances are, no second rounder is doing what he does and having a free agent the caliber of him choose buffalo as his home is unlikely imo.  Get him here, franchise him and hope after 2 years he loves it.  If it’s obvious after season one it isn’t going to happen, trade him

The connection to Gaine is also another reason to believe the Bills were almost certainly interested. From the reports, it looks like Clowney wants to go to Philly or Seattle. Softening on Miami. Maybe he excluded the Bills from the list. Maybe. If that's the case, nothing Beane could have done and it would have been a huge mistake to expend big resources on a one year rental. Oh well. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

Not necessarily. Dillard is a guy the Texans reportedly coveted in the draft and didn’t get. He’s a player at a position of big time need who they would have on a rookie deal up to 5 years. Clowney is a player who carries a giant tag # for 2019 and no guarantee he doesn’t walk after this year - you can tag him a 2nd time but that’s a 19+ mill cap hit if you do. Eagles are an immediate contender and already have peters at LT. It’s a “Win” for both, eagles take a LT next year instead with the extra 1st.

 

The twitter fully explains it is his personal idle speculation. Nothing to this at all. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

He made a play covering a kick that REALLY caught my eye. “Whoa! Who was THAT?” 

 

Not saying he’s going to be a stud, or even make the team, but extremely intriguing and makes me want to see MORE. Fingers crossed! 

 

As I mentioned in another thread Johnson reminds me of our Superbowl team player Mark Pike.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

Not sure I understand the move by Miami as they're rebuilding and appear to be tanking

 

Also while a very good player I don't think clowney is a player you build your team around. I see clowney as a finisher or a guy that puts a team over the top or even just into the playoffs

 

The flip side is hes 26. Tag plus a 6 year deal and he’s a cornerstone of the franchises refresh and costs little of their draft capital 

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 McBeane were with the Panthers they shocked the league but pulling the franchise tag off of Josh Norman late in the FA season and let him walk.  

 

They then plugged in some scrubs and after a rough month or so McD had them coached up and playing well 

 

When did the playing well part happen ?   

 

Werent they 6-10 and releasing cornerbacks for being torched ? 

[thebandit27]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

I grant you this, but my rebuttal is...........

 

What has Houston done with Clowney and what makes you think he can take the Bills to the next level when Clowney hasn’t done it on the same team with Hopkins and Watt on it?

 

That's less of a rebuttal and more like a new discussion point, but to answer: they won the division 2 of the last 3 years. They had the league's #1 defense in 2016 (when Watt barely played and was ineffective when he did). 

[GreggTX]

I believe Clowney would be the best player on our roster, at least until someone can show otherwise. As Jerry Hughes has shown, it's nut just about sacks. Sealing the edge, pressures, tackles for loss, QB hits, etc. There are many ways he can be disruptive as well as sacking the QB. This is an elite DE, but not the best. Add sack numbers and he's as good as they come. Also, we'd have to be thinking about trading Murphy or Shaq as part of this deal, IMO. Wouldn't make sense to keep all that talent at DE when we could always use more help on offense or ST.

[RiotAct]

36 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

badboy said: ↑

I don't like O'Brien but let's wait to see what he gets before castigating him

O'Brien will get bent over on a Clowney deal. I will own these words and wear a Buttchin avatar if proven wrong. But, I won't be.

 

Lucky, 7 minutes ago

#4691

 

 

 

From the Texans board!

 

Buttchin = Brady, right?

Edited August 28, 2019 by RiotAct

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, RiotAct said:

Buttchin = Brady, right?

Ha! Death, taxes, and Texans fans loathing Bill O’ Brien

[nucci]

20 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, I think Beane is all in on Clowney.  Especially if he thought he could get him for a 2nd.  Chances are, no second rounder is doing what he does and having a free agent the caliber of him choose buffalo as his home is unlikely imo.  Get him here, franchise him and hope after 2 years he loves it.  If it’s obvious after season one it isn’t going to happen, trade him

A 2nd franchise tag would be expensive and eat up a lot of cap room and at the end of the season he would be a FA again so trading him wouldn't happen

Edited August 28, 2019 by nucci

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, nucci said:

A 2nd franchise tag would be expensive and eat up a lot of cap room

Yep 19+ mill

[RiotAct]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Ha! Death, taxes, and Texans fans loathing Bill O’ Brien

Ohhhh. Wow, yeah, that does look like a certain body part.

 

[Rocket94]

4 hours ago, colin said:

 

it's cold and high taxes tho...

 

this makes me wonder, why does he want out of texas?  he just hates the corch, or is mad they tagged him?  they won't offer him a contract?

Either this is an elaborate smokescreen or Clowney is not going to be a Buffalo Bill. Start preparing for the Jets without him.

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So does he not consider Houston a contender? They went 11-5 last year. 

 

They wont pay him.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

They then plugged in some scrubs and after a rough month or so McD had them coached up and playing well.    Knowing that...... I am not sure I can see them spending $20M per year to retain Tre in a couple years.

I don't think that they will, and I must say that I am unsure that I would want them to.

[billsfan_34]

2 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Miami trading for Clowney seems very much like when Buffalo signed Mario.  Acquiring an elite Edge is not a bad way to start a rebuild.

 

Something yet to be discussed is that if the report that Houston is trying to get a second are true, then BoB effed up here.  They could’ve gotten much more - a first plus more - for Clowney if they had traded him while he was still allowed to sign a multi year deal.  That’s a big mistake. 

It does for sure- but wasn’t Mario courted in FA? Miami will have to give up some assets for Clowney and I think it will come in the form of draft picks- they just don’t have much talent to barter with. Imagine if Rosen was packages lol!!! Clowney will also require a bug contract- I am thinking 4-5 years at 9-11 mil per. 

[formerlyofCtown]

30 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

That's less of a rebuttal and more like a new discussion point, but to answer: they won the division 2 of the last 3 years. They had the league's #1 defense in 2016 (when Watt barely played and was ineffective when he did). 

And Clowney is even better suited to play DE.

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

 

They wont pay him.

I know but no one can pay him this year. He plays on the tag no matter where he is, and then becomes a FA.

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

 

I grant you this, but my rebuttal is...........

 

What has Houston done with Clowney and what makes you think he can take the Bills to the next level when Clowney hasn’t done it on the same team with Hopkins and Watt on it?

Their RB situation sucks and their QB has had injury issues.

[dubs]

56 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

It's the Beane effect. I'm not saying his approach won't work, but the way he went about reshaping the roster has definitely made the FANS focus too much on cap space, in particular.

 

You look around the league at teams with tons of good players and they constantly find ways to wiggle around the cap. I like to think Beane took the approach he took because he didn't believe the players jettisoned fit his vision and not because he believed the ultimate goal was to have the most cap space. The one aspect of his approach, which is clear, is that the draft is the way to build this particular franchise. It's the correct approach. Reality is we're very unlikely to be one of the desirable FA destinations, so your ability to draft well is a little more important than other locales.

 

The least of my concerns regarding the team at this point in time is cap space.

 

I also think he didn’t think the players he let go of were really that good and worth what they were being paid or wanted. He’s been pretty spot on. Dareus hasn’t don’t much at all. Sammy is on his second team since then, is oft injured, and been a pretty average receiver. 

 

Bob Woods has done well so that’s a miss. Could have used him.