MJS Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Rico said: I have not watched that many Texans games... with Jerry Hughes at RDE, can Clowney play LDE? Only asking cause I know Watt is their LDE, and I know Shaq looks a whole lot better at RDE than he does at LDE. Maybe Shaq is part of the deal. Plus Shaq isn't all that good, so I don't think it matters where he lines up. He's a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Rico said: I have not watched that many Texans games... with Jerry Hughes at RDE, can Clowney play LDE? Only asking cause I know Watt is their LDE, and I know Shaq looks a whole lot better at RDE than he does at LDE. Clowney can play anywhere. He’s played both end spots and both outside linebacker spots and also DT in the Texans scheme depending on how they run their 4-3 or 3-4 sets. Part of the reason for his numbers not being better is how they move him everywhere 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Although I understand how some people are enticed by the prospect of landing a first overall draft pick with freakish athletic ability, I don't see it happening. The salary price will be extremely high and it just feels Mario Williams 2.0. He has missed a bunch of games and his productivity doesn't justify the type of contract he is looking for. It just feels like it would be the start of a journey to salary cap hell. It seems contrary to the way Beane has told us that he will construct the team. I may be wrong but I wouldn't bet on it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This is completely and utterly false. How can anybody watch football and say this? This. Guys with the ability to disrupt plays, wreak havoc, and cause turnovers alter games and are the primary weapon AGAINST the top QB's. It may seem counterintuitive, but these guys are MORE valuable in an era where it's unrealistic to expect to hold the top QB's to less than 24 points or so. The big plays, the big stops, the turnovers; that has become the key to playing defense in this era. You pay playmakers on defense. Offense/QB comes first. Stopping opposing QB's comes second. That's exactly why pass rushers get PAID. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Maybe Shaq is part of the deal. Plus Shaq isn't all that good, so I don't think it matters where he lines up. He's a backup. Come on now, Shaq is nowhere near as bad as you make that sound. He could start on plenty of teams. He’s not an elite pass rusher like many wanted from that high of a draft position but he is quite strong in some other areas and has really looked impressive this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheJauronClap Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: I don't either, and that is what would happen. Throwing money at a problem, alone, does not solve the problem. Frazier and McD would need to be more aggressive in their defensive scheme in order to get the most out of Clowney. I'm not saying to blitz all the time, but at least disguise blitzes, stunt, throw in different looks, etc. Don't just play a vanilla front four look and expect that to intimidate the opposing offense. A lot of people dug into me in the Clowney is trending... thread. That's fine and what makes this board entertaining. It really is interesting getting many different view points. McD and Schwartz play similar styles rush 4 and drop 7. We broke the sack record with Schwartz. if you get clowney the front 4 pass rush would be all you need no need to blitz heavy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Although I understand how some people are enticed by the prospect of landing a first overall draft pick with freakish athletic ability, I don't see it happening. The salary price will be extremely high and it just feels Mario Williams 2.0. He has missed a bunch of games and his productivity doesn't justify the type of contract he is looking for. It just feels like it would be the start of a journey to salary cap hell. It seems contrary to the way Beane has told us that he will construct the team. I may be wrong but I wouldn't bet on it. Agreed. I also think that the play of the EDGE guys this offseason and preseason has made it so that Beane likely doesn't feel the NEED to give up draft or roster assets AND pay the big contract it would take to lure Clowney. They just extended Hughes, who is still playing well. They've been raving about Trent Murphy since he returned to health. Shaq Lawson has played well this preseason and is still young and ascending as a player. Darryl Johnson looks like an immediate contributor, and even Mike Love has been making plays. I'm not disagreeing that Clowney would improve the Bills defense. I'm simply saying that I don't see this move as likely for a number of reasons, including but not limited to the huge contract and other assets it will take to acquire and sign him. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, ScottLaw said: MARIO WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER HERE WELL WORTH CONTRACT. What were you people watching when he was here? Yeah Mario dominated the first couple years of that contract. He was literally unstoppable getting to the quarterback 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I'm betting now that neither the Bills nor Miami get him. I'm guessing Philly. They have oline depth and they need help on their D lIne (hence the trade for Eli Harold.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: Although I understand how some people are enticed by the prospect of landing a first overall draft pick with freakish athletic ability, I don't see it happening. The salary price will be extremely high and it just feels Mario Williams 2.0. He has missed a bunch of games and his productivity doesn't justify the type of contract he is looking for. It just feels like it would be the start of a journey to salary cap hell. It seems contrary to the way Beane has told us that he will construct the team. I may be wrong but I wouldn't bet on it. Pretty sure most folks are HOPING that it'll be Mario Williams 2.0 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Strengthening your biggest strength is actually the best way to win in football. And it's not like there's an elite offensive player up for a trade right now. Come on guys, we're talking about trading maybe a 2nd round pick and Shaq Lawson. A game changing pass rusher isn't worth that?? I think anyone who isn't begging for this trade to happen is nuts. My first reaction was "we already have a top tier defense". But upon reflection, you are right. Superbowls have been won with suffocating defense. Just need Allen to manage the offense, put up a few points and not turn over. And I'm sure defensive guru McDermott is one of the ones "begging" for this trade. So why not? We have cap space. Deploy the ready Beane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 33 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I agree. I love the idea of adding a talent like Clowney long term. He’d help bring the defense to another level, but I don’t think it’s the right thing to do due to the likely trade compensation. I hate the idea of giving up a first. The Bills still have below average OL and WR as well as a QB who has yet to prove himself. I just can’t get on board with using next year’s first on upgrading the defense while the offense is so much more in need. If we can package some players and a second, then I’m interested. If you wait til the qb is proven you can no longer afford the move. This is the move you make BECAUSE you have the young qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 25 minutes ago, Virgil said: I’m sorry, what? What are you unclear about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Would be great to get him and only have to give up an expendable player, like a Zay, Foster, and/or Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: MARIO WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER HERE WELL WORTH THE CONTRACT. What were you people watching when he was here? Mario 2.0? My god he played wonderfully here! He honored his contract as well as a man can. Edited August 25, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, from_dunkirk said: I thought it went by where the game is played? Those are game checks not bonuses 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Rocket94 said: Mario 2.0? My god he played wonderfully here! He honored his contract as well as a man can. well he did have a tendency to ease up at the end of lost games. But I cant blame him for that, better to stay healthy and play again another day. When the game was winnable, he played hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Plastic Cup Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: MARIO WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER HERE WELL WORTH THE CONTRACT. What were you people watching when he was here? +1 Everyone always talks about the great defense Rex ruined. Wasn't Mario a cornerstone of that great defense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, DJB said: Not to be a dink but couldn’t this have gone in the massive Clowney thread? No, Yolo is much respected and far as I’m concerned he do what ever the hell he wants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Agreed. I also think that the play of the EDGE guys this offseason and preseason has made it so that Beane likely doesn't feel the NEED to give up draft or roster assets AND pay the big contract it would take to lure Clowney. They just extended Hughes, who is still playing well. They've been raving about Trent Murphy since he returned to health. Shaq Lawson has played well this preseason and is still young and ascending as a player. Darryl Johnson looks like an immediate contributor, and even Mike Love has been making plays. I'm not disagreeing that Clowney would improve the Bills defense. I'm simply saying that I don't see this move as likely for a number of reasons, including but not limited to the huge contract and other assets it will take to acquire and sign him. Wait til you see what we may give up...and who cares about the contract....plenty of cash and cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 People saying they don’t want Clowney cause he’s Mario 2.0 are actually saying they don’t want double digit sacks... that’s the stupidest argument ever. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: Alshon Jeffrey for Clowney would also make a TON of sense. Wow, that trade makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: People saying they don’t want Clowney cause he’s Mario 2.0 are actually saying they don’t want double digit sacks... that’s the stupidest argument ever. How can you not want this guy on this defense? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said: well he did have a tendency to ease up at the end of lost games. But I cant blame him for that, better to stay healthy and play again another day. When the game was winnable, he played hard. Sure, but the guy is human and played better on his worse days than most others with the exception of Kyle Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Rocket94 said: Sure, but the guy is human and played better on his worse days than most others with the exception of Kyle Williams. cant argue against that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said: I am having flashbacks of Mario Williams we all wanted him here so bad and I don't think he really did much hope we don't end up in the same situation Boy you are right - Mario did nothing as a Bill - almost 40 sacks his first 3 years, multiple ProBowl, all pro, and anchor to two of the top sack defenses of all time and probably one of the best Bills defenses since the mid 60’s. Boy I hope we do not get that kind of production from other players. Sarcasm off Mario was fine and if the get Clowney it will be a major boost to the team. We will have to wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, TheJauronClap said: McD and Schwartz play similar styles rush 4 and drop 7. We broke the sack record with Schwartz. if you get clowney the front 4 pass rush would be all you need no need to blitz heavy I'm definitely not suggesting living by the blitz; you can't do that vs Brady or Brees. Schwartz' scheme does not rely on winning 1-1 battles all the time. He is a little more aggressive than Frazier and attacks weak spots in the offensive line. Interesting, I did read articles last year from Philly media that criticized him for usually only rushing four and not blitzing much. They would tear Frazier's scheme apart. 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: MARIO WAS A VERY GOOD PLAYER HERE WELL WORTH THE CONTRACT. What were you people watching when he was here? Yep. I specifically remember people on this board criticizing Mario as the $100M invisible man. Now he was the best DE since Bruce Smith. Mario was no where near the impact player that Bruce was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, nucci said: How can you not want this guy on this defense? I can understand the argument from a value point of view- what would we be giving up/is it worth it? But as far as what he would add to this team, and even the money aspect, I think it’s a no-brainwr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloButt Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Our 1st team pass rush was not getting to Stafford quick enough. We could use an upgrade if the price is not too high! ONLY if the price is not too high!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if, IF McBeane was to pull the trigger, would you expect him to have a long term deal in place first or just gamble a pick on a one year rental?....he's a shrewd dude IMO... We have the GM that negotiated with Clowney’s team in Houston and had a deal minus Bill O’Brien - I think we know what he is looking for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: I can understand the argument from a value point of view- what would we be giving up/is it worth it? But as far as what he would add to this team, and even the money aspect, I think it’s a no-brainwr. I concur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Yeah Mario dominated the first couple years of that contract. He was literally unstoppable getting to the quarterback Mario's all around game was pretty damn good and he was tough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: They have LOADS of cap room and literally have no one to pay. WHAT IS THE DOWNSIDE? I don’t mind paying guys big money in FA or re-upping our own players. What I don’t like is giving up draft assets AND paying a premium salary. I wont be for or against this trade (if it happens) until I see what was given up and paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troll Toll Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 How many times did Mario sack Brady? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, whatdrought said: People saying they don’t want Clowney cause he’s Mario 2.0 are actually saying they don’t want double digit sacks... that’s the stupidest argument ever. Where were these fans? Drunk at a tailgate party? Edited August 25, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: If you wait til the qb is proven you can no longer afford the move. This is the move you make BECAUSE you have the young qb I’d be all for it if I felt like Allen had sufficiently proven himself. He hasn’t in my book. I’m hopeful that he continues to develop, but I’m in a holding pattern on moves like this until he does. That’s my bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 21 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Come on now, Shaq is nowhere near as bad as you make that sound. He could start on plenty of teams. He’s not an elite pass rusher like many wanted from that high of a draft position but he is quite strong in some other areas and has really looked impressive this year I never said he is bad. He is just not that good. He's very average. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Hughes, Clowney and Darryl Johnson is a heckuva lotta pass rush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Can you be more specific? A guy like what? And why, precisely, wouldn't he impact the W-L column? It's just the vague byproduct of McBeane crying wolf about "salary cap hell" when they really just wanted to re-set the roster. Now fans will be wringing their hands about paying a true stud player at premium position the market rate of $20M per year when they shouldn't. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, BarleyNY said: I’d be all for it if I felt like Allen had sufficiently proven himself. He hasn’t in my book. I’m hopeful that he continues to develop, but I’m in a holding pattern on moves like this until he does. That’s my bottom line. Why does Allen being unproven make you not want to see the team get better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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