Greg Cosell Says Ed Oliver “struggled” and evaluates new Bills players in preseason debut

[Element115]

1 minute ago, Phil The Thrill said:

 

If you are evaluating the performance of a player in his debut, none of that should matter.  If it does, it shows a tremendous bias for someone who is supposed to be an “impartial” journalist 

 

Yes, media is biased, hope you're not just figuring that out!  When you were in High School, were things biased towards the popular kids?  Was everything done in High School accurate? How about politics, is there any media bias there, does popularity come into play? How accurate is media when it comes to reporting on politics?

 

Sports is generally reported on by ex players and people with communications degrees, not astrophysicists or mathematicians.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Element115 said:

 

I need to find the Baldy breakdown and watch again, I can't picture the play.  But from the sounds of it I could question how long an undersized player could keep that up.

How can you determine ANYTHING from a breakdown where he didnt play a full game in pre season?

1 hour ago, MDH said:

It’s interesting that he though Ford played well and Oliver struggled. Most observers had the opposite take.

 

I wonder, what were Cosell’s pre-draft evaluations of those guys?

I actually didnt think Ford struggled.....he had a couple of bad snaps but also some very good ones.

 

I didnt think Oliver struggled at all.....I dont understand why it is so hard to understand that even a very good rookie is not going to win EVERY snap?

49 minutes ago, Element115 said:

 

Yes, media is biased, hope you're not just figuring that out!  When you were in High School, were things biased towards the popular kids?  Was everything done in High School accurate? How about politics, is there any media bias there, does popularity come into play? How accurate is media when it comes to reporting on politics?

 

Sports is generally reported on by ex players and people with communications degrees, not astrophysicists or mathematicians.

This is not high school.....

[JustWinPlease]

14 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I enjoy listening to the old and wise Greg Cosell breaking down the Bills with The Murph on One Bills Live.

 

I saw that he was on the show last Friday to evaluate the Bills in the preseason opener so i took a listen.

 

To my surprise he was no high on Ed Oliver’s debut.  He said he “struggled” for most of his plays especially when facing double teams.  He also said that Eddie needs to develop “perfect technique” in the NFL because he is too small to take on double teams.  

 

I watched the game and this was not the impression I came away with.  I did see Ed get taken out by Quentin Nelson a few times but he is an All-Pro and one of the best.  I was very impressed by his debut, as were many Bills beat writers and it makes me wonder whether Greg really watched all of Ed’s plays of just the few where he was rendered ineffective by Nelson.

 

As for the rest, Greg seemed somewhat reserved.  He mentioned some good things but also didn’t seem too impressed.  Even Murph was like “I feel pretty good about the Bills.”  But Greg did say, it’s important not to take away too much from the preseason - so maybe that’s why.   

 

He is high on Daryl Johnson.  This he can be a good edge rusher in the NFL.

 

Thinks Josh made some good throws but also missed a few others he should have had.   That pass to Zay Jones could have gotten him walloped.  Says he needs to work on that.

 

Liked Cody Ford’s debut.  Believes that the coaching staff is trying to find the 5 best lineman which is why they are moving him around.  

 

Thinks Vosean Joseph moves well but is a little small and thinks he’ll play behind Matt Milano and will have a tough time getting on the field behind him. (Greg actually talked about him and then 5 minutes later Tasker said “what did you think about Vosean Joseph?”  forcing Greg to repeat what he said earlier LOL).

 

Said Tyree Jackson struggled big time as well and has a ton of work to do.  

 

Puts over Singletary’s hard running, vision and patience but questions whether he can be a “power runner” due to his small size.  

 

https://app.radio.com/hiQaUPmN6Y

I keep seeing people say this, yet Darius Leonard is 6-2, 230 and Vosean Joseph is 6-1, 230 (Combine measurements). Once Joseph gets NFL training, he will get stronger and put on a few pounds. I think he's Lorenzo Alexander's replacement next year, not Milano's backup. I think Milano - Edmunds - Joseph could be one of the best LB trios in the league within a couple years, they have a lot of talent and a ton of athleticism.

 

 

As for everything else, I agree with Cosell. I still worry about Allen, Ford is legit, Oliver is very small for a DT, Singletary's size and speed worry me, and Jackson should be tried at TE. I like Johnson a lot (especially his size)...he's been behind Hughes, Lawson, Murphy, Yarbrough and Love, but he won't make it to the practice squad. I'd keep Hughes, Lawson, Murphy, Love and Johnson...the two young kids can be just as effective as Yarbrough.

 

I'd like to keep all of our rookies and 2nd year players, because I don't think any of them will go unclaimed in the practice squad process. Draft picks like Vosean Joseph, Darryl Johnson, Jaquan Johnson, Ray-Ray McCloud, Siran Neal, Tommy Sweeney, Wyatt Teller, and UDFA's like Tyree Jackson, Mike Love and Corey Thompson, would all get claimed. I'm not sure where most of them stand with the team, but they all have talent and teams would claim them, especially the draft picks. I'd add Jason Croom and Cam Phillips too, but I see no way that they can make the roster with the talent in front of them.

 

Either way, it's nice that we're finally getting to a point where we can worry about who makes it and who doesn't...it's been a long time coming.

Edited August 13, 2019 by JustWinPlease

[VW82]

That play where Oliver jumps up and causes a pump fake then he gets inside anyway and winds up whiffing on the sack is the kind of play I expect from a talented rookie who’s just figuring things out. 

 

I thought it was weird that Colts doubled him so much. Is Nelson not a good enough player yet to handle a rookie on his own? Guess they wanted to send a message.

[John from Riverside]

20 minutes ago, VW82 said:

That play where Oliver jumps up and causes a pump fake then he gets inside anyway and winds up whiffing on the sack is the kind of play I expect from a talented rookie who’s just figuring things out. 

 

I thought it was weird that Colts doubled him so much. Is Nelson not a good enough player yet to handle a rookie on his own? Guess they wanted to send a message.

I bet some thought it was a bad play when Oliver whiffed on the sack

 

I dont agree....that broke the QB's timing....it wasnt as flashy as getting an actual sack but I consider "pressures" to be more important then sacks

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I bet some thought it was a bad play when Oliver whiffed on the sack

 

I dont agree....that broke the QB's timing....it wasnt as flashy as getting an actual sack but I consider "pressures" to be more important then sacks

 

Sacks are great, but so is messing with the QB's timing to make a bad throw 

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I bet some thought it was a bad play when Oliver whiffed on the sack

 

I dont agree....that broke the QB's timing....it wasnt as flashy as getting an actual sack but I consider "pressures" to be more important then sacks

The fact Nelson couldn’t finish Oliver BEFORE Oliver whiffed on the sack was incredible. If Oliver could have corralled Brissett and brought him down for the sack, the ENTIRE narrative of the Nelson/Oliver matchup results is changed. 

 

Most other DTs, up in the air with Nelson trying to finish them, are flat on their backs. That was an amazing display of athleticism by Oliver. 

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, Protocal69 said:

Kid Ed Oliver gonna be good bro. Guy with that kinda leverage and Athletic ability . He was playing the Dbl teams tough and made tackles off them! That’s impressive. I thought he would get tossed around! That play where he landed on his feet after jumping Maan please !

— Willie Anderson (@BigWillie7179) August 10, 2019

 

That is a former ALL-PRO Offensive Tackle  giving his opinion.

 

 

Yes that really caught Nelson by surprise........once he left his feet Nelson gave him a good shove and relaxed assuming the play was over.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Greg who?

[Locomark]

On third downs I watched Oliver exclusively and he was tossing Nelson around, so from a pure pass rush standpoint he looked really good.

[elroy16]

Oliver wasn't getting pushed back by double teams and only really got completely controlled twice, I'd call that a solid debut considering the competition. 

 

 

Allen getting crap for the Zay drop is hilarious. There was plenty of space for Zay to catch the ball and score while protecting himself. Watching Zay flub that and then thinking about Singletary reaching up for a high throw from Barkley only to quickly spin out of a hit and pick up 6 yards for a first, is kinda frustrating to think about. A first year RB made a really nice catch/play for a first down while the 3rd year WR continues to make the same mistakes he's been making. 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

so our brand new rookie struggled against All-Pro double teams in his first NFL outing?  BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

My thought as well. Who doesn’t struggle with double team. Dareus struggled with double teams sometimes during his all pro seasons...  

[TheFunPolice]

I thought he did very well and was in for a near sack and a couple of other nice plays in his first couple of drives of NFL action

[Victory Formation]

Oliver looked good against a great line. Should of had a TFL on the one play and batted down a pass on the other. Colts line is very good.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

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I don't see any Bills related content there. I reported your post as spam.

 

Are you an engineer? Do you have a problem with women in the workplace? What were your thoughts on Josh Rosen at draft time last year? Those are just 3 random questions for you, don't read anything into them.

[Phil The Thrill]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

How can you determine ANYTHING from a breakdown where he didnt play a full game in pre season?

I actually didnt think Ford struggled.....he had a couple of bad snaps but also some very good ones.

 

I didnt think Oliver struggled at all.....I dont understand why it is so hard to understand that even a very good rookie is not going to win EVERY snap?

This is not high school.....

 

I don’t get his point.  Is he saying the media is bias against the Bills for being irrelevant over the past 2 decades?  Is that why Cosell said Oliver was disappointing?

[teef]

12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Are you an engineer? Do you have a problem with women in the workplace? What were your thoughts on Josh Rosen at draft time last year? Those are just 3 random questions for you, don't read anything into them.

outstanding.

 

you may want to see how he feels about macgyver.

Edited August 13, 2019 by teef

[26TrapDraw]

16 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

He was watching Ed with his eyes closed....the same way he should keep his mouth.  

Boom Take that Cosell.

[BobChalmers]

5 hours ago, Element115 said:

 

Maybe they should win some games and this would not happen?  I mean the media guys you are whining about have NEVER seen the Bills win. Some of them not even born yet when the Bills were last good lol.

 

And this justifies them being paid for spouting ignorance?  Or more specifically to your weird arguments, that "being a homer" is disqualifying some of us from calling them out on their lazy ignorance??

 

Dude, you are seriously drifting into Troll territory.

 

 

[MAGA-Man]

2 hours ago, BobChalmers said:

 

And this justifies them being paid for spouting ignorance?  Or more specifically to your weird arguments, that "being a homer" is disqualifying some of us from calling them out on their lazy ignorance??

 

Dude, you are seriously drifting into Troll territory.

 

 

 

I think in today's society, especially when it comes to reporting anything, opinion trumps truth, laziness trumps hard work. We live in a world of off the cuff hot takes and reality TV. Efficient, truthful, well researched, balanced journalism is no longer desired by the common denominator 'Murican.

[Bangarang]

Who cares? 

[MAGA-Man]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Who cares? 

 

I suppose most of the people conversing in this thread.

[gordong]

2 hours ago, BobChalmers said:

 

And this justifies them being paid for spouting ignorance?  Or more specifically to your weird arguments, that "being a homer" is disqualifying some of us from calling them out on their lazy ignorance??

 

Dude, you are seriously drifting into Troll territory.

 

 

  That was evident from the first post...   

[muppy]

19 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I enjoy listening to the old and wise Greg Cosell breaking down the Bills with The Murph on One Bills Live.

 

I saw that he was on the show last Friday to evaluate the Bills in the preseason opener so i took a listen.

 

To my surprise he was no high on Ed Oliver’s debut.  He said he “struggled” for most of his plays especially when facing double teams.  He also said that Eddie needs to develop “perfect technique” in the NFL because he is too small to take on double teams.  

 

I watched the game and this was not the impression I came away with.  I did see Ed get taken out by Quentin Nelson a few times but he is an All-Pro and one of the best.  I was very impressed by his debut, as were many Bills beat writers and it makes me wonder whether Greg really watched all of Ed’s plays of just the few where he was rendered ineffective by Nelson.

 

As for the rest, Greg seemed somewhat reserved.  He mentioned some good things but also didn’t seem too impressed.  Even Murph was like “I feel pretty good about the Bills.”  But Greg did say, it’s important not to take away too much from the preseason - so maybe that’s why.   

 

He is high on Daryl Johnson.  This he can be a good edge rusher in the NFL.

 

Thinks Josh made some good throws but also missed a few others he should have had.   That pass to Zay Jones could have gotten him walloped.  Says he needs to work on that.

 

Liked Cody Ford’s debut.  Believes that the coaching staff is trying to find the 5 best lineman which is why they are moving him around.  

 

Thinks Vosean Joseph moves well but is a little small and thinks he’ll play behind Matt Milano and will have a tough time getting on the field behind him. (Greg actually talked about him and then 5 minutes later Tasker said “what did you think about Vosean Joseph?”  forcing Greg to repeat what he said earlier LOL).

 

Said Tyree Jackson struggled big time as well and has a ton of work to do.  

 

Puts over Singletary’s hard running, vision and patience but questions whether he can be a “power runner” due to his small size.  

 

https://app.radio.com/hiQaUPmN6Y

I found the blue quotes very informative and good input and very much a good sign for Buffalo.

 

To the red quotes I say Tyree Jackson anyone with football acumen knew he was extremely green and needed work this is no shock or surprise of any kind. To the 2nd who ever thought devin singletary was a power back? This to me is DUH he's as much a power runner as shady McCoy is...not his role nor forte never was.

[Bangarang]

24 minutes ago, MAGA-Man said:

 

I suppose most of the people conversing in this thread.

 

Good call

[DC Tom]

19 hours ago, Phil The Thrill said:

I enjoy listening to the old and wise Greg Cosell breaking down the Bills with The Murph on One Bills Live.

 

I saw that he was on the show last Friday to evaluate the Bills in the preseason opener so i took a listen.

 

To my surprise he was no high on Ed Oliver’s debut.  He said he “struggled” for most of his plays especially when facing double teams.  He also said that Eddie needs to develop “perfect technique” in the NFL because he is too small to take on double teams.  

 

 

And Bruce Smith in his prime routinely got smothered by Bruce Armstrong one-on-one.  So Bruce Smith sucks.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

14 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

If he catches the ball the hit isn't nearly as bad as the one he took after he dropped it and fell to the ground. 

 

My point was there is no way you can blame that drop on Josh. He put it where it needed to be and threw it as quickly as possible so I have no idea what Cosell is talking about.

If I misread the intent my apologies.   

I for one,  am not blaming that drop on Josh.   

 

Those that are ...    lets just leave it there.   

 

 

I get it that Zay has a LOT to prove and there is negativity.

 

If people want to blame Zay make sure the blame is warranted.   

People are blaming Zay for 3 drops Thursday.

I do not believe that is an factual statement. 

Edited August 14, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Boca BIlls]

On 8/12/2019 at 11:14 PM, Phil The Thrill said:

 

This is true but many people praise Greg’s football IQ.  Even the analytics sites 

Many people praise Trump but you don't see me caring about that.

[Da webster guy]

On 8/12/2019 at 11:33 PM, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

so our brand new rookie struggled against All-Pro double teams in his first NFL outing?  BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!

The funny thing is he didn't really struggle either.   Played less than a dozen snaps and had several impactful plays.   The one where he jumps to block a pass, somehow lands on his feet after Q pushes him back and then gets to Brissett anyway (ended in a throwaway pass) was brilliant for a kids first day in the league.

Cosell is useful to learn about other teams, but he's just another example of how national coverage guys have zero clue about Buffalo players.   

And what the hell was Tasker doing with that Vosean Joseph question?  Wake up Steve

[Matt_In_NH]

On 8/12/2019 at 11:33 PM, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

so our brand new rookie struggled against All-Pro double teams in his first NFL outing?  BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

There are a lot of over reactions here.   I listened to it and he said exactly that, it was his first outing.   He in no way said anything about Oliver being a bust, this is just a school girl reaction to him saying anything critical.   Same with Allen, although with Allen he has some more doubts but does not conclude he is a bust or anything, rather points out things he needs to improve on.   

[zow2]

A Carolina media person said Oliver jumped Offside on 3 straight snaps today.  So the Bills pulled him out and sat him for a few.  He's jumpy!

[Lurker]

18 hours ago, MAGA-Man said:

opinion trumps truth, laziness trumps hard work. We live in a world of off the cuff hot takes and reality TV. Efficient, truthful, well researched, balanced journalism is no longer desired by the common denominator 'Murican.

 

Interesting take, give your avatar...

[BillsFan17]

Yeah, but Oliver didnt struggle

[MAGA-Man]

30 minutes ago, zow2 said:

A Carolina media person said Oliver jumped Offside on 3 straight snaps today.  So the Bills pulled him out and sat him for a few.  He's jumpy!

 

That's not a good sign.

[Nextmanup]

I do enjoy how this fanbase, when evaluating the 1st pre-season game, overlooks such minor issues as the star starting QB for Indianapolis not playing.

 

It's pre-season folks.  Don't burn too much energy drawing conclusions.

 

Try to enjoy the game for the sake of the game, if you can.  

 

And be glad when it ends and no one is hurt.