Josh and our HC

[Stallions]

I thought Josh looked very poor in the 1st pre-season game.  The same accuracy issues as last year and the lack of game instincts.  His release is slow and if he keeps running the ball when he feels no receiver is open he'll get hurt. 

 

As a LEADER for the offense he seems very immature.  A lot of nice talk to the media and in his Buffalo area commercials but he just doesn't come-off as THE GUY!!

 

With the HC in his 3rd season he needs WINS!  Will he allow Josh to decide his fate???

 

[billsherd]

I feel like you are trolling us on a Friday night. 

[BullBuchanan]

I only saw his last drive, but he looked pretty good to me, and I don't like the kid.

[Doc]

IN!

[Fan in San Diego]

He was finding his rhythm in his last drive.

[zow2]

Thats harsh man.  The only thing I’ll say is the coaching staff needs to be careful about reigning in Allen’s athletic ability too much. He will naturally become a better NFL QB over time, but don’t make him be a statue in the pocket.  If he gets hurt running so be it.  He’s smart, he can make good decisions. Let him be the athlete he is

[BullBuchanan]

1 minute ago, zow2 said:

Thats harsh man.  The only thing I’ll say is the coaching staff needs to be careful about reigning in Allen’s athletic ability too much. He will naturally become a better NFL QB over time, but don’t make him be a statue in the pocket.  If he gets hurt running so be it.  He’s smart, he can make good decisions. Let him be the athlete he is

Not allowing a QB to be himself is exactly how the franchise ruined whatever potential Losman and Taylor had.

[Mr. WEO]

Can someone get this guy a copy of the script?!?!

[Augie]

I have’t even seen the game yet. Slow release? Immature? This thread should just die from lack of credibility. Sadly, it won’t. 

[The Bills Blog]

I was audibly upset when he grounded that ball to Zay. That's the kind of throw that critics of his accuracy will point to. Otherwise, he did very well.

 

I did find it odd that he didn't have a problem with his errant deep throws. In his presser, he said the only one he'd like to have back is the grounded one to Zay.

[Gugny]

11 minutes ago, Stallions said:

I thought Josh looked very poor in the 1st pre-season game.  The same accuracy issues as last year and the lack of game instincts.  His release is slow and if he keeps running the ball when he feels no receiver is open he'll get hurt. 

 

As a LEADER for the offense he seems very immature.  A lot of nice talk to the media and in his Buffalo area commercials but he just doesn't come-off as THE GUY!!

 

With the HC in his 3rd season he needs WINS!  Will he allow Josh to decide his fate???

 

 

I like to make pizzas on naan bread on the grill.  I like bbq chicken pizza.  And I like margarita pizza.  And I like pepperoni pizza.

 

I like to use fresh mozzarella on my margarita pizza and basil from my garden.

 

Do you like pizza?

 

Do you have a garden?

 

I want to see pictures of your pizzas.

 

[Gugny]

When the Bills play, I make Buffalo chicken pizza.

 

I like Frank's.  Do you like Frank;s?  Do you use butter?

 

I use butter if peoople want mild wings. 

 

I want to be THE GUY when it comes to wings.  But I'm not from buffalo.

 

Can I still be the WING GUY if I'm not from buffalo.?

[VW82]

Why is he going to get hurt? Russell Wilson seems to play a lot of games (and win Super Bowls!). Allen has that type of big play ability.

 

I feel like it's unlikely Allen gets over his issues with inaccuracy. He's had two off seasons, two training camps, one full regular season, and he's still apparently missing guys and being "uncomfortably inaccurate" despite being in the athletic prime of his life. He'll get better at reading the defense and leading receivers and bunch of other things but I worry about the accuracy stuff. He's so tantalizing and it's going to hurt that much more if he busts out. Please God let him be good! 

 

Edit: either way I like McD. He should stay and get a second chance if it comes to that.

Edited August 10, 2019 by VW82

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, The Bills Blog said:

I was audibly upset when he grounded that ball to Zay. That's the kind of throw that critics of his accuracy will point to. Otherwise, he did very well.

 

I did find it odd that he didn't have a problem with his errant deep throws. In his presser, he said the only one he'd like to have back is the grounded one to Zay.

 

Sorry, I haven’t seen the full game yet. The ball up the seam looked perfect to Zay in what little I did see. Zay dropped it before getting hit, but I didn’t get replays. That was a beautiful toss as I saw it. Gronk catches that ball, probably scores and that may be part of why he’s out of the league (for now). Folks here saying without drops he’s 8/11. Not making excuses, and I’ve yet to see it, but it’s complicated. 

[co_springs_billsfan]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

When the Bills play, I make Buffalo chicken pizza.

 

I like Frank's.  Do you like Frank;s?  Do you use butter?

 

I use butter if peoople want mild wings. 

 

I want to be THE GUY when it comes to wings.  But I'm not from buffalo.

 

Can I still be the WING GUY if I'm not from buffalo.?

The sad thing is this thread will be locked/buried before anyone reads these haikus

[whatdrought]

Oh shut up. This isn’t even worth a decent response. It’s past your bedtime. 

[Gugny]

Stallions are wicked cool.

 

Rocky Balboa is the BEST STALLION, EVER!!!!

 

He beat Creed.  He beat Mr. T.  He beat Ivan Drago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

And he nailed Adrian.  Do you know how hot Adrian was?!?!?!

 

She was just a geek in a pet store, but Rocky KNEW she was hot.  HE KNEW IT

 

You know why?  Because he was THE STALLION!!!

 

 

2 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

The sad thing is this thread will be locked/buried before anyone reads these haikus

 

OH.  MY..  GAWD
 

Haikuses are awesome!

 

I'll go first!!!!  THEN YOU GO!!!!!!!

 

 

Stallions are so fast

Sometimes they are slow

We found a slow one.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, VW82 said:

Whoa! Why is he going to get hurt? Russell Wilson seems to play a lot of games (and win Super Bowls!). Allen has that type of big play ability.

 

I feel like it's unlikely Allen gets over his issues with inaccuracy. He's had two off seasons, two training camps, one full regular season, and he's still apparently missing guys and being "uncomfortably inaccurate" despite being in the athletic prime of his life. He'll get better at reading the defense and leading receivers and bunch of other things but I worry about the accuracy stuff. He's so tantalizing and it's going to hurt that much more if he busts out. Please God let him be good! 

 

Due to the lousy DTV, I think I saw ONE pass from Josh last night. A beautiful pass up the seem to Zay. I’m usually hoping for the best with the questionable Zay, but he ducked early. It was not nearly as egregious as the throws EJ used to chuck risking WR lives!  A throw/catch either way and his stats look much different. (Again, I have yet to see it all.) 

[RunTheBall]

I just like to add my name to those threads on TBD that may go down in history as some of the stupidest threads ever started

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, RunTheBall said:

I just like to add my name to those threads on TBD that may go down in history as some of the stupidest threads ever started

 

You, sir, are NO ***** STALLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said:

The sad thing is this thread will be locked/buried before anyone reads these haikus

 

The saddest thing is...............haikus! 

[co_springs_billsfan]

5 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Stallions are wicked cool.

 

Rocky Balboa is the BEST STALLION, EVER!!!!

 

He beat Creed.  He beat Mr. T.  He beat Ivan Drago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

And he nailed Adrian.  Do you know how hot Adrian was?!?!?!

 

She was just a geek in a pet store, but Rocky KNEW she was hot.  HE KNEW IT

 

You know why?  Because he was THE STALLION!!!

 

 

 

OH.  MY..  GAWD
 

Haikuses are awesome!

 

I'll go first!!!!  THEN YOU GO!!!!!!!

 

 

Stallions are so fast

Sometimes they are slow

We found a slow one.

Bills picked the wrong Josh

Thad Brown uncomfortable

Stallion is horse?

 

?

 

 

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

The saddest thing is...............haikus! 

 

Augie's no stallion

Just a donkey wannabe

I still love Augie

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Augie's no stallion

Just a donkey wannabe

I still love Augie

One lady’s donkey is another lady’s stallion! 

 

My wife had a brief period of confusion/delusion, and she just elected to live with it. Go figure! 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

41 minutes ago, Stallions said:

I thought Josh looked very poor in the 1st pre-season game.  The same accuracy issues as last year and the lack of game instincts.  His release is slow and if he keeps running the ball when he feels no receiver is open he'll get hurt. 

 

As a LEADER for the offense he seems very immature.  A lot of nice talk to the media and in his Buffalo area commercials but he just doesn't come-off as THE GUY!!

 

With the HC in his 3rd season he needs WINS!  Will he allow Josh to decide his fate???

 

 

Great thread.  A legitimate question deserves a legitimate response.  The answer is yes.

 

/thread

[Gugny]

Let me tell you one more thing.  Before I lay my head down.

 

Adrian ... she aiin't just Rockys girl.  She's Michael Corleone's sister.  CONNIE!!!

 

YOU DON'T ***** WITH CONNIE.  AND YOU DON'T ***** WITH ADRIAN!!!!!!!!

 

That's how STALLIONS do.  Yeah.

 

 

[Augie]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Great thread.  A legitimate question deserves a legitimate response.  The answer is yes.

 

/thread

 

And if Josh proves he’s NOT the guy? I give this FO another shot at the crap shoot that is picking a QB. I’m a fan of our GM/HC. This is the best roster we’ve had in quite some time from where I sit. They are doing A LOT right. 

2 minutes ago, Gugny said:

Let me tell you one more thing.  Before I lay my head down.

 

Adrian ... she aiin't just Rockys girl.  She's Michael Corleone's sister.  CONNIE!!!

 

YOU DON'T ***** WITH CONNIE.  AND YOU DON'T ***** WITH ADRIAN!!!!!!!!

 

That's how STALLIONS do.  Yeah.

 

 

 

I don’t think you get haikus AT ALL!

 

I’m OK with that. 

[co_springs_billsfan]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

And if Josh proves he’s NOT the guy? I give this FO another shot at the crap shoot that is picking a QB. I’m a fan of our GM/HC. This is the best roster we’ve had in quite some time from where I sit. They are doing A LOT right. 

 

I don’t think you get haikus AT ALL!

 

I’m OK with that. 

No, no! He's got a point!

[Warcodered]

with the lack of response I get the feeling this is just a grenade.

[Royale with Cheese]

This thread killed my buzz.  Now I got to take a shot with my next beer.

[rayray808]

if you brought up valid points as to why Josh Allen isn't doing well then maybe I would take this seriously... but nah

[Jay_Fixit]

Sometimes I tire of the terrible posts.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Stallions said:

I thought Josh looked very poor in the 1st pre-season game.  The same accuracy issues as last year and the lack of game instincts.  His release is slow and if he keeps running the ball when he feels no receiver is open he'll get hurt. 

 

As a LEADER for the offense he seems very immature.  A lot of nice talk to the media and in his Buffalo area commercials but he just doesn't come-off as THE GUY!!

 

With the HC in his 3rd season he needs WINS!  Will he allow Josh to decide his fate???

 

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[Logic]

2 hours ago, Stallions said:

I thought Josh looked very poor in the 1st pre-season game.  The same accuracy issues as last year and the lack of game instincts.  His release is slow and if he keeps running the ball when he feels no receiver is open he'll get hurt. 

 

As a LEADER for the offense he seems very immature.  A lot of nice talk to the media and in his Buffalo area commercials but he just doesn't come-off as THE GUY!!

 

With the HC in his 3rd season he needs WINS!  Will he allow Josh to decide his fate???

 

Opinions can't usually be wrong. This is the exception.

[bills11]

2 hours ago, Stallions said:

I thought Josh looked very poor in the 1st pre-season game.  The same accuracy issues as last year and the lack of game instincts.  His release is slow and if he keeps running the ball when he feels no receiver is open he'll get hurt. 

 

As a LEADER for the offense he seems very immature.  A lot of nice talk to the media and in his Buffalo area commercials but he just doesn't come-off as THE GUY!!

 

With the HC in his 3rd season he needs WINS!  Will he allow Josh to decide his fate???

 

I disagree with this completely ..Josh looked fine he had a touchdown dropped...and two plays called back by penalty the only truly poor throw he made was the low one to Zay jones..it's the preseason everything is vanilla all you're trying to go is give the offence some live game reps . 

[Inigo Montoya]

 

Does this "Stallion" guy have six fingers on his right hand???

 

 

                        

[BigDingus]

I'm a fan of Josh, I just don't think he's going to be the guy.

With that being said, I don't think we can take away much from a preseason game, even if he looked amazing.

We saw Peterman look pretty damn good with the offense last preseason, didn't mean a thing.

My main issue with Allen as a player is that his success depends on him becoming a player he's never been before at any level... Unlike a lot of QB's that needed time to develop into great players in the NFL, Allen wasn't exactly lighting it up during his college career either.

Example: you may see some QB's just put up insane numbers and play out of their minds in college, then hope that one day they can perform that way in the pros. You want to get them to that same level, only against higher competition. Mahomes for instance put up ridiculous numbers & carried Texas Tech as best he could, and seeing that made you think "man, if he could do that in the pros he'd be great!"

But even if you got Allen's absolute best in college, only now in the NFL, that wouldn't be anything great. If you're drafting a QB hoping they can play as great as they did in the past, Allen wouldn't be the guy you'd draft. In other words, the coaching staff was under the impression that they had the tools to make him into an elite QB themselves, something other coaches haven't been able to do yet.

 

And therein lies the issue. McDermott is a great Defensive minded HC, but he doesn't appear to be the best QB evaluator out there. This is the same guy who thought we were so perfectly ok at the QB position that we didn't need a veteran at the position to help groom Allen, and that we also were perfectly fine trading away McCarron, and perfectly fine starting Nathan Peterman.... Then he proceeds to yank the guy he was so confident in by halftime, and forces the rookie 1st round pick, who was known to be the most raw QB of the big 4 drafted, into game action already....

Took him a while to realize how dumb that was, then snagged Anderson as quickly as he could, that backfired, then had to grab Barkley out of a park to just have ANYONE to trot out there. Luckily Barkley ended up playing great, but the entire situation was botched from the start.

TL;DR - McDermott hasn't shown that he even knows how to evaluate the QB position, Allen hasn't ever played like a great QB at any level, so hoping McDermott & Co. can coach him into a player he's never shown he can be, only now in the NFL, seems really, REALLY unlikely. 

Edited August 10, 2019 by BigDingus

[Element115]

2 hours ago, BigDingus said:

I'm a fan of Josh, I just don't think he's going to be the guy.

With that being said, I don't think we can take away much from a preseason game, even if he looked amazing.

We saw Peterman look pretty damn good with the offense last preseason, didn't mean a thing.

My main issue with Allen as a player is that his success depends on him becoming a player he's never been before at any level... Unlike a lot of QB's that needed time to develop into great players in the NFL, Allen wasn't exactly lighting it up during his college career either.

Example: you may see some QB's just put up insane numbers and play out of their minds in college, then hope that one day they can perform that way in the pros. You want to get them to that same level, only against higher competition. Mahomes for instance put up ridiculous numbers & carried Texas Tech as best he could, and seeing that made you think "man, if he could do that in the pros he'd be great!"

But even if you got Allen's absolute best in college, only now in the NFL, that wouldn't be anything great. If you're drafting a QB hoping they can play as great as they did in the past, Allen wouldn't be the guy you'd draft. In other words, the coaching staff was under the impression that they had the tools to make him into an elite QB themselves, something other coaches haven't been able to do yet.

 

And therein lies the issue. McDermott is a great Defensive minded HC, but he doesn't appear to be the best QB evaluator out there. This is the same guy who thought we were so perfectly ok at the QB position that we didn't need a veteran at the position to help groom Allen, and that we also were perfectly fine trading away McCarron, and perfectly fine starting Nathan Peterman.... Then he proceeds to yank the guy he was so confident in by halftime, and forces the rookie 1st round pick, who was known to be the most raw QB of the big 4 drafted, into game action already....

Took him a while to realize how dumb that was, then snagged Anderson as quickly as he could, that backfired, then had to grab Barkley out of a park to just have ANYONE to trot out there. Luckily Barkley ended up playing great, but the entire situation was botched from the start.

TL;DR - McDermott hasn't shown that he even knows how to evaluate the QB position, Allen hasn't ever played like a great QB at any level, so hoping McDermott & Co. can coach him into a player he's never shown he can be, only now in the NFL, seems really, REALLY unlikely. 

Finally a post that makes sense, I didn't understand all the other spam posts.

 

I agree about McDermott and his lack of talent evaluation skills. Passing on Mahomes and drafting a "tools" QB could prove to be yet another huge Bills blunder. This is why I think Mahomes and Allen will always be linked to many Bills fans in terms of their career paths.

[RobbRiddick]

We're looking down on Wayne's basement.

But that's not Wayne's basement.

Isn't that weird?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

So many trolls