CuddyDark Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 8/1/2019 at 9:54 AM, BillsVet said: Amateur and Pro offensive personnel decisions under McBeane were mediocre in 2017-18. I put much of that on McD's decision to rebuild the defense first, which left fewer UFA dollars for offense. It's why the offense was historically inept last season. It's not just letting Watkins and Woods go. It's not just starting Peterman to begin 2018. It's not just the 2017 and 18 UFA groups. It's that they thought they could get by offensively without really investing in upgrades on that side of the ball the first 2 off-seasons of this rebuild. The 2019 offensive UFAs better be a home run to make up for the previous 2 years. Kroft and Morse being hurt this early is another red flag on this leadership group. I get that people want to trust these guys until it's abundantly clear they failed. They talk a good game, but a fan can start hedging their bets on McBeane three off-seasons into their tenure. I continue to have zero issue with McDermott. Beane would not be an NFL GM without McDermott and he seems to make bad signings in free agency. We must remember McDermott started as a scout. Drafted players thus far all seem inline with what McDermott seen in Phily. There is virtually zero deviation from the way Andy Reid and Howie Roseman draft players. Ron Rivera was also in Phily at the time. Whoever GMs under McDermott only has one job, find players in free agency like Zo and Incognito and Nickell Robey and Corey Graham and Poyer and Hyde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Exactly. You get it. The Bills say "You agree we may release you even though you are injured. In return, we pay you the guaranteed money you are due as a lump sum rather than making you stick around the facility and get paid every week through the season" Wood says "As long as I get my money, fine by me, where do I sign?" That's the injury settlement. It could have been something different, of course, but if I were a player with a family to care for whose career unexpectedly ended years before my plan while playing my a** off for the team, I sure as shootin' wouldn't take money out of my pocket to give back to the team. And if the team gives a player guaranteed money, it's...guaranteed, it's not something the team could recover and lets the player have only out of the goodness of their fuzzy warm hearts. "Guaranteed money" is one of the few places where the team is actually committed to the contracts they sign. ^This. There was never any rancor between the Bills and Wood as had been speculated. I think that perception arose around the last minute decision to hold off until June 1 to release him vs. letting him announce his retirement in January. In short, the Bills elected to take the entire cap hit in 2018, some $10.8m iirc, by designating him a June 1 release rather than spreading a portion into 2019. That decision should have been made prior to Wood’s planned retirement announcement and I think the front office totally mismanaged the situation in January of 2018. Bottom line for Wood is that he was paid his guaranteed salary for 2018 (it was protected against injury, anyway) as well as the remaining signing bonus; some $8.8m in total. They took care of him. And that was never in question but it didn’t stop some from speculating that the Bills would ask him to return a portion of his signing bonus. That became a moot point by waiting to release him, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "Guaranteed money" is one of the few places where the team is actually committed to the contracts they sign. See @Doc just thought "guaranteed" money was the part the team is refunded if they aren't completely satisfied. Common mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 3 hours ago, CuddyDark said: I continue to have zero issue with McDermott. Beane would not be an NFL GM without McDermott and he seems to make bad signings in free agency. We must remember McDermott started as a scout. Drafted players thus far all seem inline with what McDermott seen in Phily. There is virtually zero deviation from the way Andy Reid and Howie Roseman draft players. Ron Rivera was also in Phily at the time. Whoever GMs under McDermott only has one job, find players in free agency like Zo and Incognito and Nickell Robey and Corey Graham and Poyer and Hyde. Watch the embedded feature on the Bills YouTube channel; there's absolutely zero ambiguity regarding who's in charge of the draft. Hint: it's not McDermott. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: See @Doc just thought "guaranteed" money was the part the team is refunded if they aren't completely satisfied. Common mistake. "Satisfaction guaranteed or your money back"? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Watch the embedded feature on the Bills YouTube channel; there's absolutely zero ambiguity regarding who's in charge of the draft. Hint: it's not McDermott. He's in charge but I think his personnel department has a lot more influence in final decisions than in most organizations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fan in San Diego Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I'm sure he will get paid his money, but does it count against the cap if he has to retire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said: I'm sure he will get paid his money, but does it count against the cap if he has to retire? Yeap. A whole lot of it next two years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Fan in San Diego said: I'm sure he will get paid his money, but does it count against the cap if he has to retire? Retire?!?! Where is this coming from?? Or is this just super over exaggeration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Retire?!?! Where is this coming from?? Or is this just super over exaggeration Retire is where we are up to currently. I'm waiting for a report that the Morse family is standing guard at the funeral home protecting Mitch's head from Richie. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Retire?!?! Where is this coming from?? Or is this just super over exaggeration I hope I'm over reacting. But concussions don't get better with frequency, they get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Retire is where we are up to currently. I'm waiting for a report that the Morse family is standing guard at the funeral home protecting Mitch's head from Richie. Now this is legitimately laugh-out-loud funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Havent read through the whole thread.....has someone made mention of his spleen yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Havent read through the whole thread.....has someone made mention of his spleen yet? Yes. Morse’s spleen has been removed and is being used as a helmet liner to help soften further blows to the head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 2 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Retire?!?! Where is this coming from?? Or is this just super over exaggeration No- we just got side tracked into a hypothetical “how does this work” debate. I don’t think anyone is counting this as the end of the line- though of players on the roster, he’s about as high risk for that discussion as it gets, unfortunately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Murray Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Love you guys, but this thread is officially stupid. Shut it down and focus elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 13 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: It's actually been a week since the concussion I think last Friday was their first day in pads I believe it was Saturday. July 27.. (rummage rummage) Saturday. He has not practiced since, though they didn't announce the concussion until Tues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I believe it was Saturday. July 27.. (rummage rummage) Saturday. He has not practiced since, though they didn't announce the concussion until Tues. They announced it on Wednesday actually. He practiced Thurs- Sat, he had a vet rest day Sunday, then the team was off Monday. Morse didn’t practice on Tuesday when the team returned.. McDermott said on Wednesday that he was diagnosed on Tuesday and placed in the protocol. Edited August 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Seems often when someone has a concussion, they are supposed to stay in a darkened room, try to minimize movement, etc. Morse was reported on the sideline the last two practices at camp. Makes me think this is a training camp level concussion. Not saying it's fake at all, but more like Morse told them I bumped my head a little. Great just to be extra safe, we'll put you in protocol. If this were regular season, he'd be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Seems often when someone has a concussion, they are supposed to stay in a darkened room, try to minimize movement, etc. Morse was reported on the sideline the last two practices at camp. Makes me think this is a training camp level concussion. Not saying it's fake at all, but more like Morse told them I bumped my head a little. Great just to be extra safe, we'll put you in protocol. If this were regular season, he'd be playing. He’s apparently far along in the protocol according to the twitter docs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s apparently far along in the protocol according to the twitter docs. Thought I read he was on the sidelines already on Tuesday? That's only three days after. Seems if this was serious, they'd have him home in bed even if on the road to recovery. Just thinking it was very minor one. Still a concern, but he's not dead yet as some think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) This was my greatest fear of the offseason. That didn’t take long, but life is full of gambles. You hope to win more than you lose. I’ll hope he bounces back, and we all stay lucky! . Edited August 3, 2019 by Augie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 has the amputation taken place yet? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, RiotAct said: has the amputation taken place yet? I think the spleen is scheduled for removal next week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Augie said: I think the spleen is scheduled for removal next week. 18 pages and we finally got our first spleen reference. You all are slipping, do we need our own version of posting TC to get ready for the season? Smh Edited August 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 18 pages and we finally got our first spleen reference. You all are slipping, do we need our own version of posting TC to get ready for the season? Smh So many people are just.....WTF??? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 18 pages and we finally got our first spleen reference. You all are slipping, do we need our own version of posting TC to get ready for the season? Smh I thought we had one like 8 pages ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, NoSaint said: I thought we had one like 8 pages ago Sure, steal my glory..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Augie said: Sure, steal my glory..... It might’ve been you that made that original. Would this be the wrong thread to make to make a traumatic brain injury joke? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: It might’ve been you that made that original. Would this be the wrong thread to make to make a traumatic brain injury joke? Ummm, I’m guessing yes. But you be you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 If this was really serious, we’d be hearing A LOT more about Morse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, njbuff said: If this was really serious, we’d be hearing A LOT more about Morse. Which makes these kinds of threads somewhat ridiculous. All kinds of comment here in absence of a statement from the team specifying what the future is for Morse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 11 hours ago, Augie said: Ummm, I’m guessing yes. But you be you! ...really a head scratcher as to how he could end up in concussion protocol early on.....aren't there specific CBA limitations about contact...OR....did somebody leave out the effin' "Kolb Mat" again??........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, njbuff said: If this was really serious, we’d be hearing A LOT more about Morse. So if the guy the Bills just made the highest paid player at his position who had a concussion history might have gotten another one in the first week of camp, you don’t think the Bills would do everything in their power to keep it quiet. hopefully, this is nothing. But with head injuries and this guy’s history and what we know about them now, to not be concerned is basically putting your head in the sand. Sadly if you were a bettor, the safest bet is Morse will get another one. It sucks but that’s how they work. Hoping for the best though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: So if the guy the Bills just made the highest paid player at his position who had a concussion history might have gotten another one in the first week of camp, you don’t think the Bills would do everything in their power to keep it quiet. hopefully, this is nothing. But with head injuries and this guy’s history and what we know about them now, to not be concerned is basically putting your head in the sand. Sadly if you were a bettor, the safest bet is Morse will get another one. It sucks but that’s how they work. Hoping for the best though. ...just seems a bit too early to have his concussion past surface now in vanilla drills/practices......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...just seems a bit too early to have his concussion past surface now in vanilla drills/practices......... You might be right AFL but that’s what’s scary about people who suffer multiple concussions. They could sleep wrong and it could lead to one, much less play a sport where every play is described as a car crash. I would be really interested to know how much this played into KC not re-signing him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...just seems a bit too early to have his concussion past surface now in vanilla drills/practices......... Right. I’m not sure if it has been covered here but the scary part for me is that the more he gets the more cautious he is going to become. Or maybe he has already become overly caution about any hits to the head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You might be right AFL but that’s what’s scary about people who suffer multiple concussions. They could sleep wrong and it could lead to one, much less play a sport where every play is described as a car crash. I would be really interested to know how much this played into KC not re-signing him. ...great question.....hope we do not learn the HARD way......I'm a KNOWN TBD "head case" and not a brain doc, but hope the OBD Med Staff did their due diligence.......... Edited August 3, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...great question.....hope we do not learn the HARD way............ Kc had a guy step in for Morse last year that played very well and they’re good with him. With his history working out so quick is a very good sign as that can often cause problems. Or our staff screwed up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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