Bills Training Camp: Day 3 - 7/27

[MJS]

2 minutes ago, WideNine said:

 

As an advocate of the Bills investing more into the TE position for years, I get what you are saying. Just taking the glass half-full position of being able to get more starting reps for that Boston kid who I don't think is all that bad of a player. That, and Daboll likes to feature a lot of 2-TE sets so this can build into having two young TE's becoming long term starters for us down the road.

 

Will hit the pause on the panic button till we learn more about why Knox came up gimpy and how long they feel he has to rest it - may only be a week or so kind of deal so we will see what OBD comes out with in their next presser.

I'd rather it be an ankle vs a hammy though. Hamstring is so easy to reinjure. You can feel completely fine and not even realize that your hamstring still needs more time to heal, then reinjure it. It's also usually injured from fatigue, so you can go full tilt for half of practice and think you are good to go, but then reinjure it. Just a really tough injury to know how to deal with for the player, so he has to be sure to listen to the medical staff.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[GoBills808]

I'm LOVIN that the defense is going against legit wideouts and offensive line this year in practices. For all their talent last year I wondered if they lost a bit of edge because their in-house competition wasn't up to par...now every day is a battle. Everybody has to stay sharp

 

[Warcodered]

 

[Steptide]

Training camp is one of those strange things. On one hand if your defense plays great, you worry about your offense, but if the offense plays great you worry about the defense. I think what we shoukd start to see is good and bad days for both sides

[BeginnersMind]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

I'd rather it be an ankle vs a hammy though. Hamstring is so easy to reinjure. You can feel completely fine and not even realize that your hamstring still needs more time to heal, then reinjure it. It's also usually injured from fatigue, so you can go full tilt for half of practice and think you are good to go, but then reinjure it. Just a really tough injury to know how to deal with for the player, so he has to be sure to listen to the medical staff.

 

Totally this. I hate the hamstring and groin injuries. They are so damn hard to fully shake without just full rest. Two TEs with hamstrings and one already out on significant time sucks. 

[Dr. K]

2 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Its a joke that was played out last year but seems to have returned for another season.  There is no Mckittrick, eventhough he will reply to this response asking me how I dont know who he is.

http://www.sfcenter.ku.edu/cmckit-bio.htm

[BeginnersMind]

1 minute ago, Steptide said:

Training camp is one of those strange things. On one hand if your defense plays great, you worry about your offense, but if the offense plays great you worry about the defense. I think what we shoukd start to see is good and bad days for both sides

 

The traditional thinking is the offense is way behind the defense early in training camp because offense is predicated on timing for many moving parts and it takes time together to establish that.

 

If that is true, the offense is going to be a helluva lot better this year. 

[Warcodered]

 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Got live training camp on NFL Network while following this. They’re @ the Pats* but go around the League. Bills STILL haven’t been shown... BASTARDS!

 

Why should you be surprised?  Even some "Bills" fans on this board who never pass chance to kick the Bills are interested in that team.

[Lurker]

34 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Listening to Jerry Sullivan show from Friday, whining about how well camp is going, no controversies, no selfishness, whaaa. Jerry's gotta Jerry. I guess when your whole game is harping on the negative, this team is a famine right now.

 

The sound of one hand clapping...

 

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[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Wow, Williams getting time with the 1's?

This is where Williams will show he belongs here.

[Warcodered]

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-josh-allen-to-john-brown-catch

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’ve been searching twitter. Nothing yet..

It happened quite late in the practice from what I was following.

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I liked the pick last year and I loved "The Concept of Ray Ray Ray McCloud" but he was flat out lousy. McKittrick filled in for that concept and often did a damn decent job of it, particularly on the jet sweeps and short passes. We could use a jackrabbit of all trades like that as opposed to a 6th WR who is likely not going to get on the field. Hopefully the light came on for him.

There was an article this offseason where he said he got hurt at the beginning of the year last year and never really got up to full strength - said he is bigger/stronger this year

[stony]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-josh-allen-to-john-brown-catch

Incomplete pass. Bobble and missed the left foot drag. Perfect pass. 

[whatdrought]

I feel like Brian Daboll deserves an award for the way that he complete switched the identity at WR.

[Ittakestime]

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

[JoeF]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

How can you be a mod and not know who McKittrick is?

Great player.  Explosive guy who likes chocolate stouts.

 

McKenize is now McKittrick forevermore. 

[NY Nole]

My observations from this morning’s practice....

1. John Brown was the most impressive player on offense — he has all kinds of quickness and made an absolutely ridiculous adjustment on a deep throw.

2. Cole Beasley absolutely humiliated Kevin Johnson on a zig route — faked him out of his shoes for a quick completion.

3. Roberts Foster — if he is not a starter — we are going to be playing with a lot of three and four wide receiver sets — he was impressive all day.

4. Josh Allen has amazing touch and accuracy on deep throws. His short stuff is another story — not sure how to correct that — but he struggled with those again today.

5. Devin Singletary is going to be a STUD. He is so small and gets lost in the scrum — but then emerges and is off to the races. I think we see a healthy dose of him this season — even with Shady.

6. Contrary to reports I have seen today — Levi Wallace impressed me a lot. I think he is not giving his starting CB job up without a real fight. He looked good in the 1/1 contested drill against John Brown.

7. Love the presence of Line Coach Bobby Johnson — I think he is a real upgrade.

8. Tyree Jackson has a ways to go to be a pro QB — I think practice squad is his future. He struggled holding the ball too long and not seeing the play.

9. Our starting OLine (Dawkins, Spain, Morse, Feliciano, Ford....as well as Long and Nyseke) looks legit — they are also some big dudes. NIGHT and DAY difference from last year in camp — when I also noticed they looked putrid.

10. Tre White wins the award for having the best time out on the field — he is constantly dancing, yapping out there — he is so much fun to watch. I think he is a lot of fun. Also closest personality we have to the likes of Antonio Brown, OBJ etc....

 

Go Bills!

 

[YoloinOhio]

48 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Training camp is one of those strange things. On one hand if your defense plays great, you worry about your offense, but if the offense plays great you worry about the defense. I think what we shoukd start to see is good and bad days for both sides

For me I don’t care if the D is getting lit up if it’s by our offense. Because I’ve seen the D in real games and everyone is back minus Kyle, plus reinforcements, and I know it’s good. I want to see the offense look good every day in camp and I’m not worried about the D.

Edited July 27, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[WideNine]

42 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Totally this. I hate the hamstring and groin injuries. They are so damn hard to fully shake without just full rest. Two TEs with hamstrings and one already out on significant time sucks. 

 

Yep. Tore mine completely when I played in school...could even see where the tore ends of the tendons bunched up on either end behind the leg.

 

Never was the same after that...that is why I advocate caution, ice, hydration, and time to fully heal. Super easy to reinjure if rushed.

 

 

[NY Nole]

5 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

 

I appreciate your observation but respectfully disagree with several takes: did you watch Josh Allen consistently climb the pocket and fire balls to his receivers — I did...consistently. The only time he struggled was with the short throws. Also — completely disagree with regards to the OLINE. It is 1000x improved from last year. Ford is a bit inconsistent but shows you all the traits of a really solid RT. IMHO. Go Bills!

[JoeF]

32 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-josh-allen-to-john-brown-catch

Tingles.....even though Brown double clutched getting that second foot down was quite a feat of the feet.  Nice job by Josh picking the front shoulder on that fade.  The only flaw was the flutter on the ball -- I thought the kid only threw perfect spirals.

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, NY Nole said:

did you watch Josh Allen consistently climb the pocket and fire balls to his receivers — I did...consistently. The only time he struggled was with the short throws.

 

I hope the offense is built around this. I love Beasley as an outlet for Allen when plays break down, but more often than not I want to see the receivers running 10-15 yard routes downfield or streaking to the endzone. I don't think he's inaccurate at all to that level of the field.

[JoeF]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I hope the offense is built around this. I love Beasley as an outlet for Allen when plays break down, but more often than not I want to see the receivers running 10-15 yard routes downfield or streaking to the endzone. I don't think he's inaccurate at all to that level of the field.

Beasley, if he stays healthy, is going to have some massive stats this year.  Just look at Welker's and Edelman's stats --- Beasley will get 120 plus targets and 80 plus catches in this offense.  Half will be on plays where he is option 1 and the others when he just finds an open space and he is option 2, 3 or 4. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I don't get the assumption that McDermott is a run heavy coach. That said, being able to run is not a problem. They are building an offense defenses can't just take away one thing from.

 

I dunno about that. Maybe he has appeared to favor the run because of the personnel situation?

 

I don’t consider him to be locked or fixated on any one approach and even apparently self scouts extensively so as to not become stale or predictable... 

50 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

I feel like Brian Daboll deserves an award for the way that he complete switched the identity at WR.

 

I give him even more credit for getting the ball rolling on this mid season last year. 

 

Great call here. 

 

If one looks at the opening day WR Corp last year-  Night and day from now. 

Edited July 27, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[YoloinOhio]

 

[WideNine]

13 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

 

I also think Ford needs to work on his footspeed against outside speed rushers.

 

But he is a rookie with a high ceiling. An NFL-level nutrition and training regimen will help fill the gaps. IT TAKES TIME AS your name suggests so a bit early to say what he can or can't do. The competition needs to remain open though for the best player on the roster now.

 

Regarding Josh, I will adjust my rose-colored glasses and respectfully disagree. Some forget that he is going up against the NFL's #1 pass defense last year and the coaching staff want him to go through progressions.

 

Iron sharpens iron and he is moving the ball. The coaches are looking for him to take his outlet option after going through his reads. He is doing that so folks complain that he is holding the ball too long.

 

I think his overall game is trending in the right direction and his ability to buy time in the pocket is an asset not a terrible thing.

 

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

29 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

 

So half empty, right? 

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Tears of joy are streaming down my face 

[Ittakestime]

21 minutes ago, NY Nole said:

 

I appreciate your observation but respectfully disagree with several takes: did you watch Josh Allen consistently climb the pocket and fire balls to his receivers — I did...consistently. The only time he struggled was with the short throws. Also — completely disagree with regards to the OLINE. It is 1000x improved from last year. Ford is a bit inconsistent but shows you all the traits of a really solid RT. IMHO. Go Bills!

 

I did see him climb the pocket, but it was also when the defense was going at 0% effort.  Just thinks that’s a lot tougher when defenders are everywhere.  

 

The oline is way better than last year, but it’s not great. I think the depth still isn’t there. I think Feliciano and Long are below average starters. I think the Bills would like to take 9 o line, but without Sirles healthy, I think it will be tough to find 9 solid players.  Teller ain’t making this team. 

[BringBackFergy]

3 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

Calling @BringBackFergy!

Isaac McKittrick and Dillon Knox = Automatic 14 pts. Go Bills!!

[transplantbillsfan]

38 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

So I checked out training camp today. 

 

First, I hate training camp. Half these dudes out there are already limping. These injuries will pile up quickly. Baffles me every year how these guys are professional athletes and within a week of practice, they are walking like their 80 years old. 

 

Second, I think Allen’s media reports of him having a great day are being blown out of proportion. The kid could always throw when he has no zero pressure of him. That’s really all you seen today. He would have been sacked on a lot of his great plays. Some of these throws were 5 secs in the pocket.  He is still not throwing with anticipation or thinking quick enough.  Now is the time to be getting better at that even if it means incompletions.  I’m hoping it gets better as camp goes on, but he hasn’t been good with those things since freshman year in college. Not sure he will ever get it. 

 

Third, the o line they are rolling out is not the best they can do. Ford is a guard, not a tackle. He was getting burned on the outside of him all day. He’s not quick enough.  They need to get a Ty or Waddell in at RT ASAP.  Spain is really frickin good and Dawkins looks good with a good guard next to him.  Even with the additional o line players brought in, I think we will struggle to find 8 good ones. Teller is a disaster. Wish Sirles was healthy 

 

Well... If most of this thread and all the reports are yin, you're definitely yang.

Edited July 27, 2019 by transplantbillsfan

[whatdrought]

5 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Well... If most of this thread and all the reports are yin, you're definitely yang.

 

What's the over under % on whether that guy even went to camp today?...

[aristocrat]

10 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

I did see him climb the pocket, but it was also when the defense was going at 0% effort.  Just thinks that’s a lot tougher when defenders are everywhere.  

 

The oline is way better than last year, but it’s not great. I think the depth still isn’t there. I think Feliciano and Long are below average starters. I think the Bills would like to take 9 o line, but without Sirles healthy, I think it will be tough to find 9 solid players.  Teller ain’t making this team. 

 

If he looked bad imagine what you’d say? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

https://www.buffalobills.com/news/top-3-things-to-know-from-day-3-at-bills-training-camp

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry if duplicated

Edited July 27, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[ColoradoBills]

12 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

I did see him climb the pocket, but it was also when the defense was going at 0% effort.  Just thinks that’s a lot tougher when defenders are everywhere.  

 

The oline is way better than last year, but it’s not great. I think the depth still isn’t there. I think Feliciano and Long are below average starters. I think the Bills would like to take 9 o line, but without Sirles healthy, I think it will be tough to find 9 solid players.  Teller ain’t making this team. 

 

You sure do a lot of "thinking".  Maybe you can try to substitute "I think" with "in my opinion".

 

But that's not why I replied.  I highly doubt the defense was going 0%.

[eball]

3 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

I wonder if John Brown coming in here and kind of feeling like “the guy” at WR has been a boost to his confidence. Sounds like he’s killing it. He really seems to be embracing this opportunity to run with the #1 WR role. 

 

Sounds like Josh Allen is killing it too. 

 

Honestly, as a long time die hard Buffalo sports fan all this positivity is making me a bit nervous.... ?

Don’t give in to the dark side of BBFS...

[BidsJr]

5 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

What's the over under % on whether that guy even went to camp today?...

 

 

30 and I'm taking the under.