Bills Training Camp Day 2 - 7/26

[whatdrought]

Just now, Misterbluesky said:

So Spain and Feliciano got #1 snaps again today?

If so,that's bad news for Wyatt with Long in front of him.

 

Yeah, I don't know if they liked Teller at all, given how much they put in the OL. I think Spain is a shoe in to start, and either Feliciano or Long at the other guard spot. Long also has skills at Center which increases his value. 

[CSBill]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

 

YES!

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

Blocking?

 

Probably.  Knox is a good blocker but Hockenson is an elite blocker.  He pancakes defensive ends.

[Bray Wyatt]

3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

So Spain and Feliciano got #1 snaps again today?

If so,that's bad news for Wyatt with Long in front of him.

 

I believe they said Long got the reps at RG today with the 1's, at least to start he did

[ChevyVanMiller]

18 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I agree. While I’m not sure of the advertising ramifications, it seems like they could do a simple flip flop of show times when the Bills are scheduled to practice before noon. 

Absolutely, and vice-versa when the Sabres have breaking news and they switch to John Murphy's show.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

17 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

Cause it's an observation that I have always had about him. There was a photo of him from his Wyoming days that very much looked like it. He just has high cheek bones and a narrow face that is common among Native Americans and it's always been interesting to me. I'm not sure if he has that in his genealogy or not. Maybe I'm crazy.

 

 

 

I get what you’re saying dude, and I don’t think you were being offensive or rude as some seem to be implying.  Some folks are so quick to get their pantaloons in a bunch.

 

What do folks think about the OT pecking order?  Seems like Dawkins is locked in at LT, and it’s Fords job to lose at RT.  Then there’s Nsekhe who seems to be our swing tackle right now.

 

Where do we see McDermott, Waddle, and Wesley?

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I made that exact statement during a game last year. 

Same, that's been my comp since first preseason game 

[BillsFan4]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

 Battle of the Coreys is going to be interesting! 

 

 

 

[WickedGame]

6 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

I get what you’re saying dude, and I don’t think you were being offensive or rude as some seem to be implying.  Some folks are so quick to get their pantaloons in a bunch.

 

What do folks think about the OT pecking order?  Seems like Dawkins is locked in at LT, and it’s Fords job to lose at RT.  Then there’s Nsekhe who seems to be our swing tackle right now.

 

Where do we see McDermott, Waddle, and Wesley?

 

I don’t want to derail the conversation from what we should be talking about — football (although, I’m not the one who took it off topic).

 

However, I’d like to say that comments like yours are not constructive. I didn’t “get my panties in a bunch.” I just asked what the relevance was. Pure and simple, your comment is meant to be nothing more than an insult. You didn’t like my question...that’s fine. But the whole “people get their panties in a bunch” crowd...I just think you’re probably better than being that kind of person. 

 

Your comments on football, on the other hand, are on point. I’d rather have a hearty football discussion with you any day (and I agree with your OL observation, btw) than get into a Bills fan vs. Bills fan brawl. 

 

Let’s talk about which line-up gives us the best chance to win, and not worry what race a player is (or what race we think he looks like). 

[HappyDays]

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/26/camp-observations-josh-allen-has-a-solid-third-down-day-buffalo-bills/?utm_campaign=twitter-thread&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter

 

If you're like me this section is all you care about:

 

1. Allen has a solid third-down day.

Quarterback Josh Allen had an encouraging day on third-down situations on Friday at St. John Fisher College.

All of the 11-on-11 sessions were third-down situations, an area that is a problem for the Bills’ offense. Buffalo ranked 30th in the NFL in third-down conversions last season, succeeding on just 31.6%. The Bills’ defense, meanwhile, held opponents to 36.8% conversions, which was eighth best in the NFL.

Allen got hot midway through the practice and completed eight of his last 11 pass attempts, all for conversions. The Bills were working on situations between third-and-5 and third-and-2 most of the practice. And because of the third-down work, the Bills ran almost exclusively out of three-receiver sets all practice.

Allen hit Cole Beasley in a tight window over the middle, which looked like his third read on the play. Then he hit Andre Roberts over the middle for 12 yards. After a drop by Frank Gore in the flat, Allen hit Roberts again over the middle, then rolled out for a completion to Gore.

The Bills’ defense blitzed a lot on the day. It was good to see Allen connect with Beasley out of an empty set to beat one blitz. Then against what looked like an all-out blitz with slot cornerback Taron Johnson bearing down on him, Allen backpedaled and threw a quick-release hitch pass to Ray-Ray McCloud for a first down.

Overall, Allen was 10 of 19 in full, 11-on-11 work. That did not count the opening sequence of practice, in which he was five of six. Only one side of the defensive line rushed the passer in that sequence. Of course, there was no live rush. On a few plays, Allen might have been hit. On a few incompletions, he might have taken off and run if it was live action.

Asked about Allen getting to his second and third options quickly, receiver John Brown said: “He’s a quick learner. He knows where everything is going to be at. We have to trust him and continue to run our routes.”

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 

My point is that if it gets out of hand, I think someone will hand Josh a clue and say "yeah, you gotta be studying the stills and pumping up the other guys not just Beasley"

Beasley seems like he has a high motor mouth - not in a bad way, more a hyper little brother who won't stop talking way

1 hour ago, The Wiz said:

"Is dope" , not "a dope" 

Maybe he's a dope dope

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

So Spain and Feliciano got #1 snaps again today?

If so,that's bad news for Wyatt with Long in front of him.

 

But good news for the QB and running back, because the line won’t suck

[Johnny Hammersticks]

25 minutes ago, WickedGame said:

 

I don’t want to derail the conversation from what we should be talking about — football (although, I’m not the one who took it off topic).

 

However, I’d like to say that comments like yours are not constructive. I didn’t “get my panties in a bunch.” I just asked what the relevance was. Pure and simple, your comment is meant to be nothing more than an insult. You didn’t like my question...that’s fine. But the whole “people get their panties in a bunch” crowd...I just think you’re probably better than being that kind of person. 

 

Your comments on football, on the other hand, are on point. I’d rather have a hearty football discussion with you any day (and I agree with your OL observation, btw) than get into a Bills fan vs. Bills fan brawl. 

 

Let’s talk about which line-up gives us the best chance to win, and not worry what race a player is (or what race we think he looks like). 

 

Oh, but you did initially derail the thread by taking the time directly quote and question another poster’s (seemingly innocuous) comments about Josh Allen appearing to be of Native American descent.  I’m sorry you’re so easily offended.  Are we done?  Do you have any comments on the OT depth chart?

[jletha]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

https://buffalonews.com/2019/07/26/camp-observations-josh-allen-has-a-solid-third-down-day-buffalo-bills/?utm_campaign=twitter-thread&utm_medium=social&utm_source=Twitter

 

If you're like me this section is all you care about:

 

 

 

This is exactly the news I am interested in. Im very glad he got hot and started connecting, its early in camp so this is good. Hopefully he doesnt need a "warming up" period as camp progresses and he can start hot. This practice almost seems like a microcosm for his rookie season. Its exciting to see him close out well and the optimists will point to that for what is to come in the future but detractors can look at the entire day and say well he was ultimately 10-19 which is 52% which is mediocre.

 

 

[Augie]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

After the Under Armor but before the jersey, helmet and cleats.

 

That is just the suggested order. I girl in my neighborhood growing up would put on her flippers, snorkel and mask BEFORE walking to the pool. People may have their own special way......

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Augie said:

 

That is just the suggested order. I girl in my neighborhood growing up would put on her flippers, snorkel and mask BEFORE walking to the pool. People may have their own special way......

Exactly. Like all the superheroes who put on their panties after they pull up their tights.

[bdutton]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Tweet compilation from Bills Mafia:

http://billsmafia.com/2019/07/26/bills-training-camp-tweets-july-26/

 

Favorite:

pic.twitter.com/TkeJclJoOC

 

 

[Misterbluesky]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

But good news for the QB and running back, because the line won’t suck

29..Wyatt was tossed into the fire because Ducasse wasn't capable.I thought our line play got better in the last 1/4 of the season.....

 a 5th round pick who can pull out.and.he has great feet .

He's on the ropes..I know that,it's a shame because he's raw.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

29..Wyatt was tossed into the fire because Ducasse wasn't capable.I thought our line play got better in the last 1/4 of the season.....

 a 5th round pick who can pull out.and.he has great feet .

He's on the ropes..I know that,it's a shame because he's raw.

 

Fair point.  I trust the coaches to find a way to keep talent if they find it though. This staff just seems good. 

 

But wow this retooled o line is such an upgrade 

Edited July 26, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[ColoradoBills]

1 hour ago, whatdrought said:

 

Yeah, I don't know if they liked Teller at all, given how much they put in the OL. I think Spain is a shoe in to start, and either Feliciano or Long at the other guard spot. Long also has skills at Center which increases his value. 

 

9 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

29..Wyatt was tossed into the fire because Ducasse wasn't capable.I thought our line play got better in the last 1/4 of the season.....

 a 5th round pick who can pull out.and.he has great feet .

He's on the ropes..I know that,it's a shame because he's raw.

 

Teller's chances of making the 53 got better after the Sirles injury.

He definitely is not a lock but he's got time to show improvement this summer.

There's also a chance he could find his way to the PS.

I guess this is what Training Camp is all about.

[Misterbluesky]

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Fair point.  I trust the coaches to find a way to keep talent if they find it though. This staff just seems good. 

 

But wow this retooled o line is such an upgrade 

It's so early,but yes..we seem to be headed in the right direction.

As far as WT is concerned..I think he is more talented than Bodine..Long can back up Morse.

Also..WT had a darn good preseason last year.

 

I understand..it's about numbers and he's on the bubble.

Peace

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

 

Teller's chances of making the 53 got better after the Sirles injury.

He definitely is not a lock but he's got time to show improvement this summer.

There's also a chance he could find his way to the PS.

I guess this is what Training Camp is all about.

Bear...he wouldn't clear waivers to have a PS opportunity with us.

Too young with raw talent..somebody would grab him.

Edited July 26, 2019 by Misterbluesky

[ColoradoBills]

4 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

 

Bear...he wouldn't clear waivers to have a PS opportunity with us.

Too young with raw talent..somebody would grab him.

 

I didn't say it was a good chance.  LOL

I'm hoping everyone stays healthy and plays well.

If so maybe Beane can work some magic and deal away Bodine and Ducasse for some picks.

[Misterbluesky]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I didn't say it was a good chance.  LOL

I'm hoping everyone stays healthy and plays well.

If so maybe Beane can work some magic and deal away Bodine and Ducasse for some picks.

I actually forgot Ducasse was still on the roster.

I would guess he would be put into the category of "last option in case of a catastrophic disaster"

I kid.I kid.....not really.?

[DCBongo]

6 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Pure conjecture, since he didn’t. But Harmon was one dumbass summumabit**! Couldn’t form a coherent sentence. I don’t know how long he may have stuck around. He was pretty effective for the Chargers for years.

 

I think if they didn't have Thurman, and if he didn't blame Kelly for the throw that hit him right in the numbers he might have stuck around.

[Marv's Neighbor]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I agree and have noticed the same thing 

Considering last season, that's no surprise.

[njbuff]

7 minutes ago, DCBongo said:

 

I think if they didn't have Thurman, and if he didn't blame Kelly for the throw that hit him right in the numbers he might have stuck around.

 

Harmon catches that one and the Bills could have lost 5 straight SB's if they won in Denver the next week in the AFC Championship.

 

No way in hell would they have beaten the 89 Niners, who were the greatest team I ever saw. Dominating on both sides of the ball.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

17 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

I actually forgot Ducasse was still on the roster.

I would guess he would be put into the category of "last option in case of a catastrophic disaster"

I kid.I kid.....not really.?

 

...I'd bet so did he......must be our secret weapon....stay tuned......

[Sherlock Holmes]

How is Sills V looking can't find much about him today...

[Chandler#81]

19 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Harmon catches that one and the Bills could have lost 5 straight SB's if they won in Denver the next week in the AFC Championship.

 

No way in hell would they have beaten the 89 Niners, who were the greatest team I ever saw. Dominating on both sides of the ball.

 

So there’s that..

[PromoTheRobot]

26 minutes ago, njbuff said:

 

Harmon catches that one and the Bills could have lost 5 straight SB's if they won in Denver the next week in the AFC Championship.

 

No way in hell would they have beaten the 89 Niners, who were the greatest team I ever saw. Dominating on both sides of the ball.

 

Speaking of, it's amazing how little, if anything, is ever said about the '88 Bills, who lost in the AFC Championship to the Bengals. That was really the start of the Super Bowl Bills.

Edited July 26, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[BidsJr]

1 hour ago, jletha said:

This is exactly the news I am interested in. Im very glad he got hot and started connecting, its early in camp so this is good. Hopefully he doesnt need a "warming up" period as camp progresses and he can start hot. This practice almost seems like a microcosm for his rookie season. Its exciting to see him close out well and the optimists will point to that for what is to come in the future but detractors can look at the entire day and say well he was ultimately 10-19 which is 52% which is mediocre.

 

 

 

 

Except as stated this was 3rd down the entire practice.  52% would have led the NFL last year for some perspective. *52% conversion rate

Edited July 26, 2019 by BidsJr
clarification

[BeginnersMind]

27 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

How is Sills V looking can't find much about him today...

 

I think that’s your answer. Saw a few tweets that he’s not getting a lot of looks and would be a long shot to crack the roster based on how the coaches are not using him. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Pancho Billa can wear a wild costume and makeup and he's the quintessential Bills fan, while some guy dresses up as Darth Bill and he's a dope?  Dressing up is not my thing, but if some guys can have fun with it, more power to them. 

 

...prolly Brandon incognito..........

[BeginnersMind]

4 minutes ago, BidsJr said:

 

 

Except as stated this was 3rd down the entire practice.  52% would have led the NFL last year for some perspective. *52% conversion rate

 

And 3 drops. And no pads. And and and. I’m not going to get into completion percentage in camp unless he’s just plain not throwing well, which by all accounts is not the case. 

[jletha]

21 minutes ago, BidsJr said:

 

 

Except as stated this was 3rd down the entire practice.  52% would have led the NFL last year for some perspective. *52% conversion rate

 True, good point.

[BillsFan4]

 

I am really liking what I’ve seen of this guy so far.

 

I like the energy he brings. 

[GunnerBill]

I know it is early but already I think some of the offensive position battles are looking the way I expected them to.

 

On the offensive line I have been consistent that the starting five would be:

 

LT Dawkins

LG Spain

C Morse

RG Feliciano OR Long

RT Ford (with the possibility of Nsekhe starting early if Cody is really struggling to pick things up).

 

Well so far there are no signs of Ford struggling to pick things up. He ended the spring with the 1s and has carried on right where he left off with the 1s both days so far in camp. In fact the only position that rotated from day 1 to day 2 is the right guard position. Where Feliciano got the first crack yesterday and then Long got his shot today. Unless there is a major drop off in Ford's play there is only one starting spot on this line up for grabs - it is right guard and it will be either Feliciano or Long.

 

At wide receiver I think almost everyone here has agreed that the top 4 guys were Foster, Brown, Zay and Beasley in some combination. I talked in another thread today about the possibly combinations you can run out there with those four when you are in 11 personnel:

 

i. Foster at X; Brown at Z; Beasley at Y

ii. Foster at X; Zay at Z; Beasley at Y

iii. Brown at X; Zay at Z; Beasley at Y

iv. Foster at X; Brown at Z; Zay at Y

 

Through two days we have already seen all of those combinations as well as Andre Roberts, Isaiah McKenzie and Ray-Ray McCloud all getting the odd look with the 1s too (Roberts on the outside and the other two spelling Beasley in the slot). Per Sal after practice today the receivers that are yet to get any shots with the 1s are Duke Williams Victor Bolden Jnr, Cam Phillips, David Sills and Nick Easley. I have to say that is pretty much as I expected. I have thought all offseason that those were the guys who had the most to do to make this roster. It is still early but I repeat what I have said elsewhere on the history of the two McDermott camps - it has been the receivers that have shown early in camp Rod Streater two years ago and Robert Foster last year, rather than the guys that have had big pre-season games that have generally made the cut (Streater did then get injured and waived with a settlement but he made it through to the initial 53). So those receivers who are behind the 8 ball at this point have some ground to make up and the clock is very much ticking on them.

 

Defensively does look like there is still a battle for the starting spot on the DLine with Jordan Phillips continuing to get the snaps with the 1s thus far - though I remain convinced that Ed Oliver is going to slide into that role very shortly and there is a battle brewing opposite Tre White between last year's UDFA find Levi Wallace and former Texans first round pick Kevin Johnson. Likewise looks as though EJ Gaines is playing outside and some nickel in certain packages that might allow them to only keep 5 pure corners with Siran Neal as a hybrid wildcard safety / nickel / linebacker…… and interestingly he has got first shot as the gunner on kick coverage teams. That definitely improves his chances of making the 53.

[BillsFan4]

 

Josh is definitely an easy kid to root for. 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

Josh is definitely an easy kid to root for. 

 

Silly me! I thought chicken wing head gear was only for regular season! I’ve lead such a sheltered life.....next thing you know, people will be wearing white after Labor Day! 

[GunnerBill]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

Josh is definitely an easy kid to root for. 

 

Great kid. Hope he becomes a great Quarterback. Feel like he is a fit in Buffalo too.