Do you expect better preseason games

[Say When...]

12 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think you can actually tel a lot from pre-season.  When Rex was coach there were ominous signs during pre-season games, miscommunication, late substitutions, mis-use of the replay....and he actually  tried to win them

 

i struggle with preseason games, i understand the intent but i'm not sure i can discern between underlying issues, what you've notated above, and the reality is the team/coach is just going through the motions; albeit your observation ended up being a real issue.

 

Rex (and other coaches) talk about doing things they would never do in the regular season, they know the games don't count they scheme "vanilla", some players are full go @ 120% and others are 50 to 75, i just feel like it's not a real effort and thus why are we doing it?  so we can evaluate talent during a less than 100% effort against vanilla schemes?

 

Don't get me wrong, the season needs a practice game or two, players need a feel for a real game experience without it counting against them to warm up but i'm not sure it's 4 and not sure it needs to be such a production...

[RoyBatty is alive]

11 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Pfffft. So Levy’s preseason record told you a lot, huh?

 

=No, he had an established team  & system., up until the big three were let go.  Then yes at those pre-season games you could tell a lot .

 

Bills are likely going to have 9-11 new starters this year, that is extraordinary . going to be interesting to see what the o lien looks like, who is the TE, the feature back, can Oliver/Ford start out of the gate

Edited July 18, 2019 by RoyBatty is alive

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, Say When... said:

 

i struggle with preseason games, i understand the intent but i'm not sure i can discern between underlying issues, what you've notated above, and the reality is the team/coach is just going through the motions; albeit your observation ended up being a real issue.

 

Rex (and other coaches) talk about doing things they would never do in the regular season, they know the games don't count they scheme "vanilla", some players are full go @ 120% and others are 50 to 75, i just feel like it's not a real effort and thus why are we doing it?  so we can evaluate talent during a less than 100% effort against vanilla schemes?

 

Don't get me wrong, the season needs a practice game or two, players need a feel for a real game experience without it counting against them to warm up but i'm not sure it's 4 and not sure it needs to be such a production...

 

That is what i noted in Rex pre-season, the mis-communication, missed assignments, saw a system that was working properly, and no i am not talking about after the first quarter with your starters. If you starters can get into a huddle in time with running in a full l sprint during PRE SEASON when there is limited pressure, how does one epxect it to improve during the season.

[Figster]

11 minutes ago, Say When... said:

 

i struggle with preseason games, i understand the intent but i'm not sure i can discern between underlying issues, what you've notated above, and the reality is the team/coach is just going through the motions; albeit your observation ended up being a real issue.

 

Rex (and other coaches) talk about doing things they would never do in the regular season, they know the games don't count they scheme "vanilla", some players are full go @ 120% and others are 50 to 75, i just feel like it's not a real effort and thus why are we doing it?  so we can evaluate talent during a less than 100% effort against vanilla schemes?

 

Don't get me wrong, the season needs a practice game or two, players need a feel for a real game experience without it counting against them to warm up but i'm not sure it's 4 and not sure it needs to be such a production...

If the league is pushing for 18 games, why not eliminate 2 preseason games and start the season earlier. 

 

I'm game...

Edited July 18, 2019 by Figster

[Formerly Allan in MD]

35 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think you can actually tel a lot from pre-season.  When Rex was coach there were ominous signs during pre-season games, miscommunication, late substitutions, mis-use of the replay....and he actually  tried to win them

There were ominous signs prior to the pre-season games.  The initial one was when it was announced Rex had been hired.

[Wnybricky]

38 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Pfffft. So Levy’s preseason record told you a lot, huh?

Don’t you have a big boy table that needs some attending to?

Edited July 18, 2019 by Wnybricky

[buffaloboyinATL]

Yes, and I expect the Pro Bowl to be awesome this year too!  

[Figster]

24 minutes ago, Wnybricky said:

Don’t of had a big boy table that needs some attending to?

Chandler is making a point. Wins or losses during the preseason is not a good indicator.

 

How can it be when the actual starters have limited play time.

 

[tcampbell104]

the third preseason game is the only one worth watching

Edited July 18, 2019 by tcampbell104

[TPS]

15 hours ago, Wnybricky said:

The past 2 years it always seemed like we were getting blown out later on in preseason games. I think this is a direct result of the lack of depth the team has had due to the cap situation. I never like to watch my team lose. I know it doesn’t matter and there is other factors at play that may for the team be more important. Do you expect this year for the Bills to be more competitive in the preseason matchups?

If your point is the second half of preseason games is an indication of which team has better depth, I agree to an extent. Looking at the scores from last year, though, doesn’t seem to support your belief. There’s no clear trend. 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

I'm less concerned about pre-season games as I am inter squad scrimmages.  If the Panthers come into Saint John Fisher and push us around on our home turf may as well blow it all up and start again fresh in 2020.

[CNY315]

I'll be more interested in the 2nd and 3rd string than usual this year. Number of guys like Singletary and Joseph I'm excited to see out there

[Wnybricky]

5 hours ago, TPS said:

If your point is the second half of preseason games is an indication of which team has better depth, I agree to an extent. Looking at the scores from last year, though, doesn’t seem to support your belief. There’s no clear trend. 

 

 

Hey man that’s fair. Just seems like for years now we have been making the 3rd string Lions Qb Look like Joe Montana.

[Augie]

I just like to watch individual players during preseason. The outcomes clearly don’t matter, but the players and potential do.  

[Patrick Duffy]

11 minutes ago, Augie said:

I just like to watch individual players during preseason. The outcomes clearly don’t matter, but the players and potential do.  

 

This is pretty much the same for me aswell. I want to see the depth players play well of course. But that 4th game,I'm always feeling blah on that one. Sometimes Imay not even watch the  4th preseason game.

 

Main thing for me is I would hate to see any injuries, especially major ones to any of the starters. A lot of times that happens to teams and it really sucks. Hate to lose impact players in a meaningless game.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy

[Augie]

1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

 

This is pretty much the same for me aswell. I want to see the depth players play well of course. But that 4th game,I'm always feeling blah on that one. Sometimes Imay not even watch the  4th preseason game.

 

Main thing for me is I would hate to see any injuries, especially major ones to any of the starters. A lot of times that happens to teams and it really sucks.

 

Don’t even say the I word! We can’t afford that at this point. Preseason is tough, but I still watch to see who jumps put at you. 

[wagon127]

Preseason games sound interesting in July and early August. Then the 3rd quarter starts of the 1st preseason game, and its blatantly obvious, that this has very little of what we like about football. So no, dont expect better preseason games....

Edited July 19, 2019 by wagon127

[reddogblitz]

20 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

 

The Bills didn't get "blown out" last preseason at all. So the OP is a troll.

 

Got blown out early vs the Raiders i think it was only to have AJ and the guys win in a massive come back.

[Mrbojanglezs]

40% of the roster is cut

[TigerJ]

I expect somewhat cleaner play from veterans than last year, particularly on offense.  That would show up especially in week 3 of preseason.  Rookies are still rookies, and if you put enough of them in a game, it's going to get sloppy.

[Bookie Man]

I love betting on preseason games. Usually fade the Bills. This year I'm taking them every game. My prediction is they go 3-1 ATS. 

[Buftex]

I actually kind of enjoy pre-season games...at least the first 3.  You follow the teams moves all off-season, and you start to think about players they added...my curiosity is piqued, even though a lot of the guys end up getting cut.  This pre-season I am really looking forward to seeing Tyree Jackson, Duke Williams and TJ Yeldon.  Jackson will be particularly interesting to me.  And of course, I want to see a few nice plays from Allen...but not too many.  Keep that kid healthy.

[FLbills]

I agree with the OP. I too like to see my team win whenever they suit up. To me, it gives reason for optimism. Wether it be evaluating depth players, game management, or anything to do with the team. I understand that the W-L record during the preseason is last thing to factor in, if at all. IMO it shows that the team can work together and execute the most basic of schemes and perform. 

[Simon Says]

On 7/18/2019 at 9:35 PM, Wnybricky said:

Hey man that’s fair. Just seems like for years now we have been making the 3rd string Lions Qb Look like Joe Montana.

So,how often,in the regular season,is our 3rd string defense going to play against a 3rd string QB? The REGULAR season is what matters.

[HOUSE]

In Marv Levy's entire time in Buffalo, how many preseason games did the Bills win?

 

Answer: 1

 

 

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Edited July 20, 2019 by HOUSE

[BuffaloBill]

I can’t believe this thread exists..... 

[without a drought]

The Pro Bowl would be better if the teams had more depth.

[Mr. WEO]

Better than soccer, yes.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 7/18/2019 at 3:22 PM, buffaloboyinATL said:

Yes, and I expect the Pro Bowl to be awesome this year too!  

How’s that new property in the Everglades you bought?  ?

On 7/18/2019 at 2:11 PM, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think you can actually tel a lot from pre-season.  When Rex was coach there were ominous signs during pre-season games, miscommunication, late substitutions, mis-use of the replay....and he actually  tried to win them

Wait, that was his regular season modus operandi as well.

[Punching Bag]

What I want to see is penalties, especially pre-snap penalties are reduced in TC showing that players understand system they are playing in.

[Figster]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

I can’t believe this thread exists..... 

The sequel, 

 

" Do you expect the Bills Oline to pass protect"

[Mr. WEO]

I’m betting they will shield Peterman from the opposing teams’ starters....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 7/17/2019 at 10:52 PM, Wnybricky said:

The past 2 years it always seemed like we were getting blown out later on in preseason games. I think this is a direct result of the lack of depth the team has had due to the cap situation. I never like to watch my team lose. I know it doesn’t matter and there is other factors at play that may for the team be more important. Do you expect this year for the Bills to be more competitive in the preseason matchups?

 

I think it's a result of the Bills not taking them seriously, and using them to evaluate depth players.

 

I think it's possible the roster is a bit more set and we may use them more to teach the game, which would be a Good Thing, but whether we're competitive or not...Meh

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I want to see how Barkley looks. He was excellent against the Jets last year and really gave me hope for the depth of the position going forward. I’d like to see him back it up, even if it’s just preseason.

[JoPar_v2]

On 7/17/2019 at 11:52 PM, Wnybricky said:

The past 2 years it always seemed like we were getting blown out later on in preseason games. I think this is a direct result of the lack of depth the team has had due to the cap situation. I never like to watch my team lose. I know it doesn’t matter and there is other factors at play that may for the team be more important. Do you expect this year for the Bills to be more competitive in the preseason matchups?

 

You care about winning and losing in preseason games? You’re serious? I can’t begin to fathom that but if you are serious then yes I think this year will be better based on the number of quality signings the team has made.

 

But really what you should care about, the only thing, is getting the starters and significant role players through these farces healthy and whole for the regular season. 

 

Edited July 21, 2019 by JoPar_v2

[njbuff]

On 7/18/2019 at 6:54 AM, Gugny said:

A good preseason game = a game in which there are no injuries.

 

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

[Wnybricky]

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

You care about winning and losing in preseason games? You’re serious? I can’t begin to fathom that but if you are serious then yes I think this year will be better based on the number of quality signings the team has made.

 

But really what you should care about, the only thing, is getting the starters and significant role players through these farces healthy and whole for the regular season. 

 

I am serious. I like football. I know it doesn’t matter and that the games are glorified practice. I find it odd that guys will be on here all offseason talking about who they think will be the 6th receiver on the team or TE or RB depth and then want to tune out when they get to showcase their skills and try to make a life

for themselves. I also have a lot of friends from all over the country and it is fun to rib them when we beat them even in the preseason. It is even funnier to tease them over preseason games because they don’t count. I also like to see the Bills win. I think the overall depth of the team has improved and we will have a competitive training camp. I think guys will be thinking they have a shot to make the team. Obviously you don’t want anyone hurt and obviously the teams starters need cohesion. People here spend hours writing up topics on the team and then talk about going and mowing their lawns and not watching it all play out... that’s very strange to me. 

[Gugny]

35 minutes ago, Wnybricky said:

I am serious. I like football. I know it doesn’t matter and that the games are glorified practice. I find it odd that guys will be on here all offseason talking about who they think will be the 6th receiver on the team or TE or RB depth and then want to tune out when they get to showcase their skills and try to make a life

for themselves. I also have a lot of friends from all over the country and it is fun to rib them when we beat them even in the preseason. It is even funnier to tease them over preseason games because they don’t count. I also like to see the Bills win. I think the overall depth of the team has improved and we will have a competitive training camp. I think guys will be thinking they have a shot to make the team. Obviously you don’t want anyone hurt and obviously the teams starters need cohesion. People here spend hours writing up topics on the team and then talk about going and mowing their lawns and not watching it all play out... that’s very strange to me. 

 

Do  you use Scotts 4-step?  I do, but I'm late putting the Summer Guard down.  I'd do it tomorrow, but it's gonna be too hot.  Do you bag when you mow?  I don't.

[Wnybricky]

7 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Do  you use Scotts 4-step?  I do, but I'm late putting the Summer Guard down.  I'd do it tomorrow, but it's gonna be too hot.  Do you bag when you mow?  I don't.

That’s pretty funny. I have some issues with fire ants so any advice you have there would be helpful. As far as the rest of it goes I have my own business so by the time I mow I am just trying to get it done. Appreciate your passion. Horticulture is a under appreciated science. 

[Gugny]

5 minutes ago, Wnybricky said:

That’s pretty funny. I have some issues with fire ants so any advice you have there would be helpful. As far as the rest of it goes I have my own business so by the time I mow I am just trying to get it done. Appreciate your passion. Horticulture is a under appreciated science. 

 

I'd rather have a nice looking lawn than have the Bills win a preseason game.