BuffaloRebound Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 56 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: When the coach doesnt want you to draft a 3-tech DT and you still go ahead and do it .... When you did the same thing with drafting DT Leonard Williams a few years ago and then put him at EDGE all but ruining his productivity ... When you overpaid to draft Darnold basically handing the Colts continued run at the post-season in the AFC in the coming years ..... The Barr fiasco ...... When you guarantee 25 Million to a RB against an Offense oriented coach's express wishes... When you guarantee 51 Million to a LB also against the recently hired coach's express wishes... Excellent list. I’d also add 99.9% of GM’s don’t survive Todd Bowles as their head coach choice and Hackenburg as their first swing at getting a franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Um, didn't like the Williams pick ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: The biggest difference between this and Whaley is that we didn’t give Adam F***** Gase power.. Another difference is that the Jets fanbase isn’t too pleased about this development, whereas the majority of Bills fans were glad to see Whaley gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Um, didn't like the Williams pick ?? It was not a popular pick among many Jets fans. Not so much due to the player's talent, but the fact that they have basically been drafting and letting walk the same player/position over and over. Much like the Bills and 1st round CBs, the Jets have been doing it with 1st round DTs for a while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: It was not a popular pick among many Jets fans. Not so much due to the player's talent, but the fact that they have basically been drafting and letting walk the same player/position over and over. Much like the Bills and 1st round CBs, the Jets have been doing it with 1st round DTs for a while. The Jets fans wanted to trade down and seemed upset when that didn’t eventuate, but maybe no one else was interested in trading up, so not sure what else the GM is supposed to do other than pick Williams.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Is this all that different from what we did with Whaley? absolutely not, whaley was deadman walking and was let go immediately after the draft and was only kept because it was too late in college evaluation process. this smacks of incompetence and lack of vision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, eball said: @ScottLaw doesn’t follow the Jets either; he just views his job on TSW to be “that guy” critiquing Bills fans critiquing anything another organization does because “McD and Beane haven’t done anything yet.” The Bills have made the play-offs more recently than the Jets or Dolphins - I guess that is nothing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 JETS = DUMPSTER FIRE. Week 1 will be a blowout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: The Jets fans wanted to trade down and seemed upset when that didn’t eventuate, but maybe no one else was interested in trading up, so not sure what else the GM is supposed to do other than pick Williams.. Mccagnon was reportedly desperately trying to trade down but couldn’t for what he was looking for. He was trying to recoup picks that he gave up the previous year for Darnold, but couldn’t. It does make me wonder how much they really wanted Quinnen if they were willing to give him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 8 minutes ago, Rico said: Another difference is that the Jets fanbase isn’t too pleased about this development, whereas the majority of Bills fans were glad to see Whaley gone. Actually a lot of them seemed to have wanted him gone, just not after he was allowed to spend $100 million in FA and presumably ran the draft Also saw on the Jets fan boards, speculation is that there was an issue with Hiemerdinger and McG and the Jests decided to dump them both. How much of this is damage control to not make Gase a scapegoat - who knows LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 It feels nice not to be the sh*t show franchise of the AFC East. 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I have been saying for months that McCagnan is a terrible GM and would be fired sooner rather than later. Not that bold a prediction, I guess, since anyone with eyes could see how bad he is/was. It's funny. Looking at the Jets and the Bills, roster wise, and "stage of rebuild" wise, you'd say they're similar. Both just landed what they hope will be franchise QBs. Both followed that up by adding playmaking 1st round DTs. Both are more toward the beginning than the end of a rebuild. There's just one key difference: The Bills have a cohesive, logical, methodical front office and coaching staff in lockstep, while the Jets are basically the pre-Beane dysfunctional Bills of a few years ago. It's hard not to look at the Jets from an outside perspective and conclude that they need to blow the entire front office structure up and do a complete organizational rebuild, like the Bills did with Beane and crew. Instead, they now have a head coach who the new GM may not want, and they let the now-ousted GM spend zillions of dollars on players that their coach reportedly doesn't even want. Dysfunction, ineptitude, disorganization...pick your adjective. The Jets are a poorly run organization with a bad head coach who now also has GM duties. As a Bills fan, this is glorious to watch. 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: I would say she surpassed Madonna in status so couldnt be considered pre-Madonna. It would be more along the lines of Brittany Spears. Chronologically, Cher came before Madonna who came before Spears, so Cher (along with Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell) are all Pre-Madonna's. Until another Madonna comes along, Spears can't be a Pre-Madonna. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: The Jets fans wanted to trade down and seemed upset when that didn’t eventuate, but maybe no one else was interested in trading up, so not sure what else the GM is supposed to do other than pick Williams.. Sure, that's a tough spot to be in, especially that early in the draft when you want to go BPA and he is the BPA. Maybe go for Jonah Williams at OT to help protect your new QB? Or even Josh Allen at an outside rush position? Or settle for less in the trade down? Just now, Forward Progress said: Chronologically, Cher came before Madonna who came before Spears, so Cher (along with Stevie Nicks and Joni Mitchell) are all Pre-Madonna's. Until another Madonna comes along, Spears can't be a Pre-Madonna. Lady GaGa says Hi. Actually she says "Hi-III-i i i i, Hi I i i i " 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Was there any inkling this was coming? Any sign at all? Losing Morse to the Bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: Losing Morse to the Bills. Paradis was still hanging out there for the Jets after Morse was signed and was available for less money. Instead, Mac leaves the center position without an upgrade to make the splashy signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 30 minutes ago, eball said: @ScottLaw doesn’t follow the Jets either; he just views his job on TSW to be “that guy” critiquing Bills fans critiquing anything another organization does because “McD and Beane haven’t done anything yet.” I am starting to believe he is secretly Jerry Sullivan 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I'm surprised. They seemed to have a good off-season. Two years in a row 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I still suspect the Bills will find a way to lose the opener. Man, what this team has done to my psyche... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Boy oh boy, Bell is sure going to want to go all out to play for Gase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Is this all that different from what we did with Whaley? Yes, actually. There were many indications prior to Whaley being let go that he was on his way out and was intentionally kept through the draft. The Jets move is a reaction to Gase and Mac having major problems with each other that's been reported for a couple months from hiring Gregg Williams, signing Bell, etc. Gase also was not present at the draft for the Jets which is..unusual. Edited May 15, 2019 by jeremy2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: His winning percentage is better than McDermott's and he's actually beat BB a few times.... so I don't really get all the criticism from Bills fans of him. Because he failed in Miami, and our staff is finishing up building something. We don’t k ow if it’s going to work, but comparing win percentages is lazy and scottlaw-ish 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, teef said: Because he failed in Miami, and our staff is finishing up building something. We don’t k ow if it’s going to work, but comparing win percentages is lazy and scottlaw-ish Yep. I mean...he completely seemed to lose the locker room in Miami. There were instances of him calling out his players publicly for lack of effort, there were players who left and were basically on their knees thanking God to be out of there. And this doesn't even make MENTION of the awful on-field product in Miami. His teams had absolutely no identity and were a real bore. And his "keen offensive mind"? Sure didn't help much. I will thoroughly enjoy watching him fail in Jersey just as he failed in Miami. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Heitz said: You KNOW Bell is reading this somewhere thinking "He didn't want me, I'll show him!". Seems like it should all go well... Twitter war in 3, 2,... HAHAHAHA was literally just thinking this! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x-BillzeBubba Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Boy oh boy, Bell is sure going to want to go all out to play for Gase. lol Gase / Ajayi worked out so well... Bell and Gase are gonna hate each other 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Jets should’ve canned Bowles and Maccagnan after 2017 season. Jets could’ve sat at pick 6 and got either Darnold or Allen instead of trading three 2nd rounders to move up 3 spots a month before the draft. And now you have a new head coach whose not happy with the moves his GM made. Stupid not to have removed Maccagnan once Gase was hired. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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teef Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 14 minutes ago, Logic said: Yep. I mean...he completely seemed to lose the locker room in Miami. There were instances of him calling out his players publicly for lack of effort, there were players who left and were basically on their knees thanking God to be out of there. And this doesn't even make MENTION of the awful on-field product in Miami. His teams had absolutely no identity and were a real bore. And his "keen offensive mind"? Sure didn't help much. I will thoroughly enjoy watching him fail in Jersey just as he failed in Miami. jets fans have every right to be angry with that hire the same way bills fans had every right to be angry with the chan gailey hire, (you could throw jauron and ryan in there too). i'm usually a wait and see guy, but i have a very strong feeling that gase is going to get torn apart in ny. i certainly could be wrong. if his tenure works out, it will be because darnold completely saved him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 15, 2019 Author Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 26 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Yes, actually. There were many indications prior to Whaley being let go that he was on his way out and was intentionally kept through the draft. The Jets move is a reaction to Gase and Mac having major problems with each other that's been reported for a couple months from hiring Gregg Williams, signing Bell, etc. Gase also was not present at the draft for the Jets which is..unusual. And the bigger story isn’t that Mac was fired. It’s who they handed the power to, like he’s bill belichick or Pete carroll. McDermott doesn’t have control over the 53, Beane does. I highly doubt the new GM will take that back from Gase when he comes in. He had it in Miami and he now has it in NJ. That takes away the checks and balances that a guy with the ego of Gase needs. Gase is reportedly the guy who screamed at his owner Stephen Ross when his offense was questioned in Miami and staff members had to intervene. Edited May 15, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Boy oh boy, Bell is sure going to want to go all out to play for Gase. Blonde beard time or not show up again LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, teef said: jets fans have every right to be angry with that hire the same way bills fans had every right to be angry with the chan gailey hire, (you could throw jauron and ryan in there too). i'm usually a wait and see guy, but i have a very strong feeling that gase is going to get torn apart in ny. i certainly could be wrong. if his tenure works out, it will be because darnold completely saved him. The AFC East incestual coach-swapping the past few years has been mind boggling. Rex Ryan gets fired from Jets for being a bumbling doofus, immediately gets hired by Buffalo...where he continues to be a bumbling doofus. Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick get run out of Buffalo, the Jets bring both of them in to helm their offense. Adam Gase flames out in Miami, so they bring him to New York and make him head coach AND GM. Mike Tenanbaum gets fried from the Jets, gets hired to be a part of Miami's front office. Meanwhile, the Pats are sitting back, laughing and counting rings. You can't write this stuff. 2 1 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 5 minutes ago, Logic said: The AFC East incestual coach-swapping the past few years has been mind boggling. Rex Ryan gets fired from Jets for being a bumbling doofus, immediately gets hired by Buffalo...where he continues to be a bumbling doofus. Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick get run out of Buffalo, the Jets bring both of them in to helm their offense. Adam Gase flames out in Miami, so they bring him to New York and make him head coach AND GM. Mike Tenanbaum gets fried from the Jets, gets hired to be a part of Miami's front office. Meanwhile, the Pats are sitting back, laughing and counting rings. You can't write this stuff. having it spelled out like that is amazing. not that the pats haven't been more talented than the rest of the afce, but my god did we make it easy for them. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: I actually think Gase is a good coach, he doesnt care for pre-Madonnas. Miami apparently didn't think he was so good. We'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 I love how the Jets are falling apart and TC hasn't even started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 20 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Jets should’ve canned Bowles and Maccagnan after 2017 season. Jets could’ve sat at pick 6 and got either Darnold or Allen instead of trading three 2nd rounders to move up 3 spots a month before the draft. And now you have a new head coach whose not happy with the moves his GM made. Stupid not to have removed Maccagnan once Gase was hired. I don't know about that the Bills almost traded up with Denver in the actual draft. 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: I just looked at the NYJ Staff and Coaches. What's with all the Asst. Head Coaches. The organizational chart seems pretty crazy. Who is responsible for what? Front office Owner – Woody Johnson Chairman/CEO – Christopher Johnson President – Neil Glat Senior Director, Football Administration - Dave Socie Vice President, Player Personnel – Vacant Player Personnel Executive - Rich Snead Player Personnel Executive - Zach Truty College Scouting - Jon Carr Head coaches Head Coach/Interim General Manager – Adam Gase Assistant Head Coach/Offense/Wide Receivers – Shawn Jefferson Assistant Head Coach/Defense/Inside Linebackers – Frank Bush Offensive coaches Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks – Dowell Loggains Running Backs – Jim Bob Cooter Tight Ends – John Dunn Offensive Line – Frank Pollack Assistant Offensive Line – Derek Frazier Offensive Assistant – Bo Hardegree Offensive Assistant – Chris Kragthorpe Defensive coaches Defensive Coordinator – Gregg Williams Defensive Line – Andre Carter Senior Defensive Assistant/Outside Linebackers – Joe Vitt Passing Game Coordinator/Defensive Backs – Dennard Wilson Assistant Defensive Backs – Steve Jackson Defensive Assistant – Robby Brown Defensive Assistant – Blake Williams Defensive Assistant – Eric Sanders Special teams coaches Special Teams Coordinator – Brant Boyer Assistant Special Teams – Jeff Hammerschmidt Strength and conditioning Head Strength and Conditioning – Justus Galac Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Aaron McLaurin Assistant Strength and Conditioning – Joe Giacobbe So theirs an Owner then a Chairman/CEO then a President then a GM then a HC? That seems a little top heavy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Logic said: The AFC East incestual coach-swapping the past few years has been mind boggling. Rex Ryan gets fired from Jets for being a bumbling doofus, immediately gets hired by Buffalo...where he continues to be a bumbling doofus. Chan Gailey and Ryan Fitzpatrick get run out of Buffalo, the Jets bring both of them in to helm their offense. Adam Gase flames out in Miami, so they bring him to New York and make him head coach AND GM. Mike Tenanbaum gets fried from the Jets, gets hired to be a part of Miami's front office. Meanwhile, the Pats are sitting back, laughing and counting rings. You can't write this stuff. Todd Bowles was Asst HC and Interim HC in Miami as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 What do you notice about this Tweet? ? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 So the GM who had a hand in bringing in almost every player on the team is gone, and the HC who players have regularly hated stays on. Thank god for the jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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