Reed83HOF Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) Edited May 1, 2019 by Reed83HOF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Not surprising. He’s a holdover from the previous regime who hasn’t shown the new regime why he’s worth the raise. He can earn it this year and I’m sure we’ll be happy to pay him. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 WR and DE are going to be by far are biggest, and only major, needs going into 2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Process said: WR and DE are going to be by far are biggest, and only major, needs going into 2020 that's a big assumption considering we haven't played 2019 24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Pretty easy decision not to 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Process said: WR and DE are going to be by far are biggest, and only major, needs going into 2020 Possibly OL - you really have no idea how any of these guys are going to shake out. I would also add a suitable replacement for LorAx, as well as RB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Possibly OL - you really have no idea how any of these guys are going to shake out. I would also add a suitable replacement for LorAx, as well as RB Right. Next up would be OLB RB and maybe TE. Hopefully won't need to add QB anytime soon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 No shock at all. Pretty obvious they were interested in an upgrade and that definitely meant his 5th year option was unlikely. Personally, I think we sign Ansah and then try and trade Shaq like we did with Sammy after not picking up his option either. Beane probably tries to trade Shaq whether we sign Ansah or not, just to try and get some value before letting him walk in FA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 ?? Gotta earn that money Shaq!! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Average of 3rd to 25th Salaries at DE is $13.073Million.... Could this mean they have a 2 or 3 year deal in place with Ansah and will extend Jerry Hughes for a couple of seasons sometime soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Not surprised at all. Although he did give effort and occasionally made plays, he just never lived up to his 1st round billing. Better to say thank you and goodbye now, then to be stuck with Chris Kelsay for another 5 years.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, nucci said: that's a big assumption considering we haven't played 2019 Fair point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 He is not a good football player. This is smart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Makes sense. They're better off trying to negotiate a lower-cost extension if they want to keep him around at all. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Not overpaying for average players. How refreshing. 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 That was expected. Hope This motivates Shaq and he has a huge year. Sign him then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: He is not a good football player. This is smart. Unfortunately, your post is not smart. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, wppete said: That was expected. Hope This motivates Shaq and he has a huge year. Sign him then. Do you really think he will want to be back in Buffalo after being told “no thanks.” 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Not overpaying for average players. How refreshing. I agree, he is average. I think some people blowing him off as "not good" is a bit of an overstatement. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: No shock at all. Pretty obvious they were interested in an upgrade and that definitely meant his 5th year option was unlikely. Personally, I think we sign Ansah and then try and trade Shaq like we did with Sammy after not picking up his option either. Beane probably tries to trade Shaq whether we sign Ansah or not, just to try and get some value before letting him walk in FA. Except Sammy had real value. Shaq could get like a 5th at best. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Not expecting him to get a quick jump on free agency, given his slow get-off... ? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I agree, he is average. I think some people blowing him off as "not good" is a bit of an overstatement. Right, They aren’t cutting him. They are just choosing not to pay him like a player that he hasn’t proven himself to be. He still has time to earn that. He just hasn’t yet. Edited May 1, 2019 by YoloinOhio 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloBill said: Do you really think he will want to be back in Buffalo after being told “no thanks.” Possibly. They didnt say "we dont want you at all", they just said "not at $10M/year". I dont think anyone else will offer him $10M/year, and Id assume neither does his agent. So maybe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Not surprised at all. Although he did give effort and occasionally made plays, he just never lived up to his 1st round billing. Better to say thank you and goodbye now, then to be stuck with Chris Kelsay for another 5 years.... The 5th Year Option does not extend him for another five years. It tacks one additional year onto his deal, making him a free agent in 2021 instead of 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 We have the money but are spending it wisely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Except Sammy had real value. Shaq could get like a 5th at best. I will take that though and think Beane would too. Might get a 4th too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Lawson, Ragland, Washington, C. Jones, J. Williams Doug Whaley sure nailed that draft. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Depending on Murphy's health.................... Lawson's roster spot could be in jeopardy. Cause we know the staff likes Love and drafted Darryl Johnson in the 7th round. I guess they will sign Ziggy and cut Lawson. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said: I will take that though and think Beane would too. Might get a 4th too I might keep him and hope he plays his butt off. It would be another hole to fill, and while he’s not a game changer, he is coming off the best season of his career. I won’t be up in arms if they trade him but I think he might have more value than a late round draft pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Makes sense. They're better off trying to negotiate a lower-cost extension if they want to keep him around at all. ...EXACTLY....perhaps told him to test the FA waters (those waters will NOT yield $10+ mil/ys) and then come talk to OBD about a possible return.....no sense in burning bridges if he is serviceable at a reasonable number.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Lawson, Ragland, Washington, C. Jones, J. Williams Doug Whaley sure nailed that draft. Bad draft, after bad draft, after bad draft, after bad draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc Brown said: Lawson, Ragland, Washington, C. Jones, J. Williams Doug Whaley sure nailed that draft. It was Rex and getting players to fit his “system.” Whaley was neutered here. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: It was Rex and getting players to fit his “system.” Whaley was neutered here. Come on... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: Bad draft, after bad draft, after bad draft, after bad draft. Coaching change, after coaching change, after coaching change. Which he was never allowed to hire. 6 DCs in 5 years, a major scheme change each time. Plenty of those players are still in the league and contributors on Playoff teams. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, Process said: WR and DE are going to be by far are biggest, and only major, needs going into 2020 Not necessarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Do you really think he will want to be back in Buffalo after being told “no thanks.” We don't know his relationship with the coach. He may even prefer to sign a long-term contract than have the 5th year picked up. My opinion: we are way too hard on him here and he has rated very high on stopping the run, and still has the potential to show upside. That being said, I can understand the hesitance to tie ourselves to him next year. I could also have seen since we are likely to have an absurd amount of space, and the Pegulas a lot of money, taking the chance on holding him for another year. I hope he grows as a player and if he's the kind of player who fits in the system, he will want to come back to play next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Coaching change, after coaching change, after coaching change. Which he was never allowed to hire. 6 DCs in 5 years, a major scheme change each time. Plenty of those players are still in the league and contributors on Playoff teams. You are correct. But make no mistake about bad drafting though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Come on... You honestly think Whaley wanted to mess with the number 2 defense in the nfl? Shaq was with Rex’s son in Clemson. All players like Mario and Dareus did was complain about Rex’s system because it was completely different than Schwartz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It was Rex and getting players to fit his “system.” Whaley was neutered here. They both were horrible. Whaley had two good picks in four drafts as GM in Darby and T. White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You honestly think Whaley wanted to mess with the number 2 defense in the nfl? Shaq was with Rex’s son in Clemson. All players like Mario and Dareus did was complain about Rex’s system because it was completely different than Schwartz. You still gotta draft talent. That entire class is close to washing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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