GreggTX Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I've wanted Oliver all along. I'll still be happy with Jonah Williams, Q Williams or J Allen if any of them fall unexpectedly. I really hope a couple QB's go before we pick so we can get an elite player. It's starting to look like Oliver will be gone before we pick, though. I wish Thursday night would hurry up and get here. The suspense is killing me. 10 minutes ago, McBean said: Give me more offensive playmakers. To heck with defense. I disagree. You'd be reaching for an offensive playmaker at 9 and we sorely need help on the DL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Not even in the ball park. But I do think they are a perfect team who would take a 2020 first instead of a 2nd this year If this front office, sitting at 9 overall, gives up next year’s first round pick, or this year’s second, to move up for a defensive lineman, it will be conclusive proof that they do not know WTF they are doing. Fortunately, I don’t think they are that foolish. 5 hours ago, GreggTX said: . I disagree. You'd be reaching for an offensive playmaker at 9 Says who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I honestly think the Jets are full of garbage when it comes to Ed Oliver. They are transitioning to a 4-3 defense with no edge rushers on their roster. I find the story that they are trying to trade down a hell of a lot more likely. That said, I truly hope Beane sticks to his MO and doesnt overplay his hand. I think there are 3 guys along the DLine who I'd consider pretty safe prospects, Oliver, Williams, and Bosa. At this point you probably need to move up to 4 to get any of them, but I'd be extremely torn on giving up a 2nd to do that. Especially given the history of the Bills moving up to number 4 overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) Oliver is my choice at #9- unless my secret choice, White is available. Our LB would be sickly good. Edited April 20, 2019 by maryland-bills-fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Interesting... I think there are definitely more than 8 non-QB players in this draft worthy of the 9th pick and would not trade down. You hope this is the last time they pick in the top 10 for awhile and you already have 10 picks and not a lot of roster spots. Unless it’s to trade down for a current player like Clark or Clowney, just stay at 9 and pick the best guy on the board. Imo Other then the obvious players Bosa Quinnen Allen White I have 2 other guys worth a pk at 9 that's Hock & Oliver. So that's 6 players . I dont like Gary, Sweat, Taylor, Jonah, Burns at 9 I rather trade bk add some pks and get the same quality player at 14-15 . Here's my top 16 players 1. Murray 2. Bosa 3. Quinnen 4. Oliver 5. Hock 6. Allen 7. White 8-16 are 2nd tier in my opinion any one of these players can go from pks 8-16 8. Burns 9. Sweat 10. Taylor 11. Haskins 12. Jonah 13. Gary 14. Wilkins 15. Fant 16. Dilliard So why not trade bk and draft anyone of these guys except for Haskins. Here's a mock in this Scenario 1. Cards- QB Murray 2. 49ers- DE Bosa 3. Jets- DT Quinnen 4. Raiders- DT Oliver 5. Bucs - LB White 6. Giants- DE Allen 7. Jags- TE Hock 8. Lions- DE Sweat At pk #9 we still have the options we get a call for Haskins at 9 with Washington, let's say we get a swap in 1st plus there 2nd and 3rd pk. 9. Skins- QB Haskins 10. Broncos- LB Bush 11. Bengals- OT Taylor 12. Pack- OT Jonah 13. Fins- DE- Gary 14. Falcons- DE Burns 15. Bills - Wilkins or Fant Edited April 20, 2019 by BillsFan1988 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 "Bills GM Brandon Beane has not tipped his hand and has continually said that Buffalo will take the best player available. That could lead Buffalo in multiple directions, but Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller is hearing that the Bills are targeting Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver with their No. 9 pick." READ: Beane hasn't said anything, but "I'm hearing..." Riiiight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 11 hours ago, GreggTX said: I've wanted Oliver all along. I'll still be happy with Jonah Williams, Q Williams or J Allen if any of them fall unexpectedly. I really hope a couple QB's go before we pick so we can get an elite player. It's starting to look like Oliver will be gone before we pick, though. I wish Thursday night would hurry up and get here. The suspense is killing me. I disagree. You'd be reaching for an offensive playmaker at 9 and we sorely need help on the DL. If Oliver and Hockensen are both there at 9, I’m taking Hock all day. Give me a good TE, something we haven’t had in decades, over a DT. I want points, because a lot of points wins games. 47 minutes ago, HansLanda said: "Bills GM Brandon Beane has not tipped his hand and has continually said that Buffalo will take the best player available. That could lead Buffalo in multiple directions, but Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller is hearing that the Bills are targeting Houston defensive tackle Ed Oliver with their No. 9 pick." READ: Beane hasn't said anything, but "I'm hearing..." Riiiight. Remember last year Galko saying the Bills were “in love” with Josh Rosen? These dudes don’t know crap. We know more than they do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I just want to say one more time: Just because most reporters/analysts DON'T have legitimate sources, it doesn't mean that NONE have legitimate sources. Plenty of "I'm hearing" type rumors about the Bills have come out in recent years that proved true. Yes, Beane keeps a much tighter ship and yes, the leaks are few and far between these days, but it doesn't mean they don't happen. If you followed Ben Albright last year on Twitter, he was adamant all offseason that Allen was #1 on the Bills big board. He never wavered from that view point. Even in the face of constant harassment and mockery from Bills fans who didn't want it to be true, he stuck to his guns. People DO know things sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 22 hours ago, Rob's House said: I've seen a fair amount of speculation in the last week or so that his stock is a lot higher among NFL teams than the media & that he'll come off the board earlier than projected. I agree. I’m seeing a lot of mocks now with him going in the top 6. Wasn’t the case a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 If Oliver is there at 9 he will most likely be the bpa, so it makes sense that if they pick at 9 he is the guy they are hoping for. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 11:33 AM, Augie said: I just hope he makes it to #9 so we can find out. Bills will have to swap with Giants to get Oliver, and they'd better do it. (Oliver + our secondary = picks) = JA TD's!!! Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2 hours ago, McBean said: If Oliver and Hockensen are both there at 9, I’m taking Hock all day. Give me a good TE, something we haven’t had in decades, over a DT. I want points, because a lot of points wins games. Remember last year Galko saying the Bills were “in love” with Josh Rosen? These dudes don’t know crap. We know more than they do. I think we purposefully started putting a lot of smoke out there once it got out that we loved Josh Allen so that people didn't know which rumor was real and which was smoke. That doesn't really seem to be the case this year; I wonder if people haven't actually picked up on who Buffalo really wants yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Hock at 9 is not a terrible pick. However, the Talent lies at DL that early( in this particular draft). So for the sake of positional value, DL ALWAYS outweighs TE. I don't care how you slice it, the value in today's NFL is not a top 10 TE over a potentially dominant DL. TE would be a luxury pick, and we don't have that luxury . give me Oliver, Williams, Sweat, JA, Bosa, Simmons ..or go Taylor, Dilliard, or Williams on the flip side of the line. Otherwise, trade down and do work Beane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Hock at 9 is not a terrible pick. However, the Talent lies at DL that early( in this particular draft). So for the sake of positional value, DL ALWAYS outweighs TE. I don't care how you slice it, the value in today's NFL is not a top 10 TE over a potentially dominant DL. TE would be a luxury pick, and we don't have that luxury . give me Oliver, Williams, Sweat, JA, Bosa, Simmons ..or go Taylor, Dilliard, or Williams on the flip side of the line. Otherwise, trade down and do work Beane I really like Simmons...but the injury? It is a damn shame...who knows? All of this talk about Wr's and TE's at 9? We need defense...can't even stop people and get off the field. Edited April 20, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I really like Simmons...but the injury? It is a damn shame...who knows? All of this talk about Wr's and TE's at 9? We need defense...can't even stop people and get off the field. Im more concerned about the video of him pulverising a woman than I am an ACL injury. By all accounts, he was protecting family and snapped, but has been a model citizen prior to and after that. A team player thru and thru. Question is, Beane has stated that we need high character guys to be able to absorb the not so savory types. One strike( a big strike) for a young man, with an injury, but has he matured? I'd give a kid who's learned a little something by bad choices a better look than I would a Frank Clark, who will cost much and seemingly keeps being a scumbag regardless. Question is, he's a 1st round player all day...who takes the risk? He may have to sit for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: Im more concerned about the video of him pulverising a woman than I am an ACL injury. By all accounts, he was protecting family and snapped, but has been a model citizen prior to and after that. A team player thru and thru. Question is, Beane has stated that we need high character guys to be able to absorb the not so savory types. One strike( a big strike) for a young man, with an injury, but has he matured? I'd give a kid who's learned a little something by bad choices a better look than I would a Frank Clark, who will cost much and seemingly keeps being a scumbag regardless. Question is, he's a 1st round player all day...who takes the risk? He may have to sit for the year. I hear you. Sometimes we forget that these guys are human. Heat of the moment protecting his sister? How much do we know about how it developed? Most of these players grow out of this, and a change of environment can change it. I worry about the injury. The Bills have enough busted up players as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I hear you. Sometimes we forget that these guys are human. Heat of the moment protecting his sister? How much do we know about how it developed? Most of these players grow out of this, and a change of environment can change it. I worry about the injury. The Bills have enough busted up players as it is. Yes sir, I wish I knew more about the kid's personal life, but talent alone puts him in the top 15 category to me. Does he deserve another chance? Personally, and proffesionally, I think so. We-'ll see soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffAlone said: Yes sir, I wish I knew more about the kid's personal life, but talent alone puts him in the top 15 category to me. Does he deserve another chance? Personally, and proffesionally, I think so. We-'ll see soon enough I agree...these are young men. What is that old saying? "Most men don't know who they are until they are 30?" Well, in a football sense we would like to see that much earlier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: I agree...these are young men. What is that old saying? "Most men don't know who they are until they are 30?" Well, in a football sense we would like to see that much earlier! Especially when we pay them millions of dollars per year! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 I think all that stuff about the Jets loving Oliver is a smokescreen to get people to trade up. Not sure I believe they will take him at three. I think they really do want to trade down and they have to create a narrative about who will be gone. I still think they take Josh Allen and I think they are crazy if they don't. I think the rumors of us taking Oliver comes from rumors about what is happening in front of us. I think some of these draftniks are plugged into what some teams are going to do and the logical conclusion is that a player like Oliver might be on the board and will clearly be BPA at a position of need for Buffalo. This is one of those serendipitous type situations that Beane talked about where need and the board line up. Just my 2 cents. I think we want Oliver or Sweat. If one of those guys is on the board, I think we run to the podium. If not, I think we get into trade down talks or something. I think there is also a chance that the regime is all in on Hockenson or Metcalf, but my gut tells me Oliver or Sweat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I wish Rex could be a special consultant to the first 8 teams. Even if the Bills have to pay the tab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 10 hours ago, McBean said: If Oliver and Hockensen are both there at 9, I’m taking Hock all day. Give me a good TE, something we haven’t had in decades, over a DT. I want points, because a lot of points wins games. Right on! I'd honestly be happy with almost any position on offense over any defensive pick at this point. Having a stud TE could change the entire dynamic of this offense, and be the biggest help to Allen's development. Aside from having Brady, the Pats have shown just how much a great TE can dominate the game. But even if we were to grab an O-linemen or WR, I'd still take improving the #30th ranked offense over trying to bolster the #2 ranked defense any day. Especially when this year could make or break Allen, and after what we've invested in him already, we NEED him to succeed. This team and this regime's future depends on Allen not being a flop, so they should be doing everything possible to help him specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 14 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Right on! I'd honestly be happy with almost any position on offense over any defensive pick at this point. Having a stud TE could change the entire dynamic of this offense, and be the biggest help to Allen's development. Aside from having Brady, the Pats have shown just how much a great TE can dominate the game. But even if we were to grab an O-linemen or WR, I'd still take improving the #30th ranked offense over trying to bolster the #2 ranked defense any day. Especially when this year could make or break Allen, and after what we've invested in him already, we NEED him to succeed. This team and this regime's future depends on Allen not being a flop, so they should be doing everything possible to help him specifically. There's no WR worth taking in the Top 10 to ever justify that selection. If Metcalf had production in college, could run the whole route tree and didn't have drop issues you could make an argument there, but he's red flag city right now so you can't. The risk is too great with the abundance of pass rushers that will be on the board. If you're going to take a pass catcher you take one of the two TE's from Iowa. Offensive line is deep, so taking either Taylor or Dillard at Nine wouldn't be a problem either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Slacks Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 22 minutes ago, BigDingus said: Right on! I'd honestly be happy with almost any position on offense over any defensive pick at this point. Having a stud TE could change the entire dynamic of this offense, and be the biggest help to Allen's development. Aside from having Brady, the Pats have shown just how much a great TE can dominate the game. But even if we were to grab an O-linemen or WR, I'd still take improving the #30th ranked offense over trying to bolster the #2 ranked defense any day. Especially when this year could make or break Allen, and after what we've invested in him already, we NEED him to succeed. This team and this regime's future depends on Allen not being a flop, so they should be doing everything possible to help him specifically. One could argue that having an absolute dominant defense allows Josh a Allen more room to grow. Then he doesn’t have to stress about taking chances and learns to play without fear. Knowing that his next level defense is able to go and get him the ball back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 7:00 PM, billsredneck1 said: shaq , no. 9 and a 4th to oakland for pick no. 4 . we get q. williams? That’s pretty redneck of you! oh! Nevermind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I don't buy this at all. They don't know if he is going to last and conventional wisdom says have your top 9 guys in order and one of them will fall into your lap. I could understand locking in on a player if you were top 3 but we are too far down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Augie said: I wish Rex could be a special consultant to the first 8 teams. Even if the Bills have to pay the tab. ...I believe they STILL are, right??............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 9:29 PM, BigDingus said: Yes, please help bolster our weak defense! I mean, we have a whopping ONE WHOLE TEAM ahead of us in overall defensive ranking, that's embarrassing! Thankfully our offense is set, especially with our FA signings. And with only a measly 29 teams ranked ahead of us, there's hardly room for improvement. Josh Allen already silenced all his critics, so there's really nothing left our offense needs to do but deliver us the Lombardi trophy & seal the deal. And with Ed Oliver anchoring the defense, the offense can rest comfortably knowing their efforts won't be in vein anymore. Have you noticed the FA signings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Ed Oliver has been on different mocks for the last couple months now. its not like this is a new concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 like someone else mentioned, i think the bucs spot is where we'd have to be to insure we get oliver. then again, dt is a need for them also,(maybe not the biggest), but if they let mc coy walk then it's a different story. i've said this a lot before but shaq lawson could be a trade asset that allows a move like this without giving up high picks this year. so, if we sent shaq, a later rd. pick this year and mid rounder next, i'd pull the trigger. we can get an edge in this draft somewhere (preferably in the 2nd or 3rd, or in a move up). i don't see any reason to keep and pay shaq as a 2 down edge setter. murphy should be healthy and looking to make a come back and we can always slide lorax up to the line..... plus hopefully have picked a good prospect to be the future there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 21 hours ago, McBean said: If Oliver and Hockensen are both there at 9, I’m taking Hock all day. Give me a good TE, something we haven’t had in decades, over a DT. I want points, because a lot of points wins games. Remember last year Galko saying the Bills were “in love” with Josh Rosen? These dudes don’t know crap. We know more than they do. It is not true that "all lot of points wins games". Scoring more points than the other team is how you win games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 I’m thinking bills take Greedy Williams and we go with best secondary in league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 30 minutes ago, maryland-bills-fan said: It is not true that "all lot of points wins games". Scoring more points than the other team is how you win games. Exactly, and the better your defense is, the easier it is for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 On 4/19/2019 at 12:43 PM, YoloinOhio said: Interesting... I think there are definitely more than 8 non-QB players in this draft worthy of the 9th pick and would not trade down. You hope this is the last time they pick in the top 10 for awhile and you already have 10 picks and not a lot of roster spots. Unless it’s to trade down for a current player like Clark or Clowney, just stay at 9 and pick the best guy on the board. Imo This is the only scenario I’d trade down for, and take Noah Fant with that pick. But, I really hope we stay at 9 or trade up to secure Oliver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...I believe they STILL are, right??............... Yes, but I’d le Pegs pay extra for this leak service. Hey! It’s not MY money! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, aristocrat said: I’m thinking bills take Greedy Williams and we go with best secondary in league I think, if they do go corner it's going to be Byron Murphy. Perfect zone guy for the scheme. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Let the propaganda begin!! Let’s get Oliver to slip to 9. Start digging through Twitter!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Let the propaganda begin!! Let’s get Oliver to slip to 9. Start digging through Twitter!! Wasn't it shown that Gil Brandt wasn't even at Houston's Pro Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Let the propaganda begin!! Let’s get Oliver to slip to 9. Start digging through Twitter!! I am 100% certain this is our guy - it's about finding a trade partner that is palatable. TB, NYG are my targets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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