Matt Miller says the Bills are targeting Ed Oliver at 9

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Agreed on all accounts.

 

 

This too

 

I'm convinced we will move up to get Allen, Williams, or Oliver. When you go through everything that has been talked about, it is our most critical need. McD loves the inside pass rush (more so than edge) and my $$$ is on Oliver.

[LSHMEAB]

37 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i could live with that. the only thing is who do we cut at wr? someone's not gonna make it. we can only carry so many. that being said, beasley/brown and foster are locks.

We STILL have a well below average WR room. The last thing I'm concerned about is which player works himself off the roster. JMO.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, LSHMEAB said:

We STILL have a well below average WR room. The last thing I'm concerned about is which player works himself off the roster. JMO.

 

With WR, there isn't a lot of separation on the top 3-4 and that depth lasts through RD2. I would even argue that we may take a TE before a WR based on these quotes:

 

“Yeah, I don't you know, I'm not one that subscribes to a ‘number one receiver.’ Receiver’s a position that comes in all sorts of sizes. You’ve got the guys that are 6-5, 6-6, and out-jumping people and going over the top. And then you’ve got some 5-7, 5-8 guys that are making plays. Even the Super Bowl champions, they've won with those types of guys. So there's a lot of different sizes, flavors, veterans, young guys, speed, size. We're just looking for good football players, good receivers that can make plays and that Josh can count on (that) when he throws them the ball, they're going to be where they're supposed to be and they're going to make the plays.”

 

"Yeah, I liked it when we were on offense, when it was third and about five, I knew we were going to go get a first down because we had Greg Olsen, McDermott started. "At an early age, I feel like that I learned how important that tight end position is to a quarterback and a particular young quarterback. It becomes a security blanket."

 

[Kirby Jackson]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't rule out they trade up a few spots to get Oliver. At the start of the college season this was a 2 man draft class - Bosa and Oliver. Bosa missed half the year injured and his stock is unaffected. Oliver put on a jacket his coach didn't want him to to and the media had him plummeting into the teens. If he is there at #9 the Bills take him but it is very possible maybe even likely that someone takes him before that. 

Yeah, a year ago Oliver was considered the next Donald. He played out of position for a year and put on a coat and his stock took a hit. He was an absolutely DOMINANT college player early in his career. He’s one of the best players in this draft and a future pro-bowler. He may be even better than that. Without getting carried away, I wouldn’t be shocked if he won a DPOY in his career. He can’t be blocked as a 3-technique. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, a year ago Oliver was considered the next Donald. He played out of position for a year and put on a coat and his stock took a hit. He was an absolutely DOMINANT college player early in his career. He’s one of the best players in this draft and a future pro-bowler. He may be even better than that. Without getting carried away, I wouldn’t be shocked if he won a DPOY in his career. He can’t be blocked as a 3-technique. 

This screams of a trade up if the bills believe that

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

This screams of a trade up if the bills believe that

Jets are determined to trade out of #3 

 

According to multiple NFL sources, the Jets seem "determined" to trade down in the first round of the NFL Draft, which begins on Thursday in Nashville. Jets GM Mike Maccagnan has made it clear several times that he's "open" to the idea, though he may be downplaying just how open to it he actually is.

"They seem to really, really want to move down," said one NFL executive. "Maybe they're just keeping their options open, but it sure seems like that No. 3 pick is for sale."

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

This screams of a trade up if the bills believe that

It is certainly a possibility. The Bills are in love. It’s just a matter of the cost .He was in again last week. 

[Kirby Jackson]

Also, we talk about it A LOT at this time of the year but Matt Miller is one of the best. 

[Augie]

18 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

I'm convinced we will move up to get Allen, Williams, or Oliver. When you go through everything that has been talked about, it is our most critical need. McD loves the inside pass rush (more so than edge) and my $$$ is on Oliver.

 

They are nothing if not bold. 

 

 

They are willing to go get their guy, for sure. 

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah, a year ago Oliver was considered the next Donald. He played out of position for a year and put on a coat and his stock took a hit. He was an absolutely DOMINANT college player early in his career. He’s one of the best players in this draft and a future pro-bowler. He may be even better than that. Without getting carried away, I wouldn’t be shocked if he won a DPOY in his career. He can’t be blocked as a 3-technique. 

 

100% agree. I have him and Bosa almost neck and neck as the best player in the draft. 

[Mickey]

What does "targeting" mean in this sense? That he is the top guy on their board so they will take him if he is there? How is that different than sitting around hoping that he will be there and taking him if he is? The word "targeting" makes it sound as if they are actively trying to maneuver in the draft to make sure they get him.  If so, what are they doing to "target" him? Just seems like a reporter trying to make it sound like he actually has news to report. Oliver being a guy the Bills would definitely be interested in if he is still on the board is not exactly news as it has been speculated upon for many months.

 

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

They are nothing if not bold. 

 

 

They are willing to go get their guy, for sure. 

I think it will be the Bucs or NYG. I like NYG a lot as a move up as it isn't a huge jump in terms of picks to give up. 

Just now, Mickey said:

What does "targeting" mean in this sense? That he is the top guy on their board so they will take him if he is there? How is that different than sitting around hoping that he will be there and taking him if he is? The word "targeting" makes it sound as if they are actively trying to maneuver in the draft to make sure they get him.  If so, what are they doing to "target" him? Just seems like a reporter trying to make it sound like he actually has news to report. Oliver being a guy the Bills would definitely be interested in if he is still on the board is not exactly news as it has been speculated upon for many months.

 

From Beane:

 

I know I say ‘draft the best player available,’ and I truly mean that. But if there’s a guy that’s best player available and he fits a need, that is also telling you what you should do with the board,” Beane said. “It’s not that we’re trying to ignore needs, but that we’re trying to fill needs. But you can’t reach for needs, and that’s why I gave the example last time. If we had not picked the quarterback at #12 last year if we had stayed put and said, ‘Well, what the heck. We’re just going to pick a quarterback at #22, no matter who it is’ without having a first-round grade on them, then it doesn’t make sense.”

 

Beane: And that’s why I’m going to continue at times to be aggressive when it needs to be aggressive.”

McD “I don’t even know if this is a word … responsibly non-patient,” McDermott said. “Right? It’s like calculated aggressiveness." 

 

From Me:

We targeted a QB last year and when up to get him...

[Reed83HOF]

Also our predraft visits (at least 26 of them) broke down like this:

 

[purple haze]

6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I think it will be the Bucs or NYG. I like NYG a lot as a move up as it isn't a huge jump in terms of picks to give up. 

From Beane.

I think they might need to get over Tampa Bay.   McCoy might be out and Oliver would fit in there very well.  Would the Raiders deal? The Raiders might do anything.

[Reed83HOF]

Just now, purple haze said:

I think they might need to get over Tampa Bay.   McCoy might be out and Oliver would fit in there very well.  Would the Raiders deal? The Raiders might do anything.

 

Realistically how much to do want to give up? 49ers and Jets are in play I believe but that is like 2019-1 & 2, 2020-1 and maybe more. I would think teams would want more picks this year in a very deep draft? The Raiders certainly would like another #1 next season, the other teams might not....

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Realistically how much to do want to give up? 49ers and Jets are in play I believe but that is like 2019-1 & 2, 2020-1 and maybe more. I would think teams would want more picks this year in a very deep draft? The Raiders certainly would like another #1 next season, the other teams might not....

Surely the Jets won't deal in the division.

[Chicken Boo]

4 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

Apparently we need to lock him in a room with SI's Gary Gramling (whoever that is) who said we are targeting DK Metcalf, and let them fight it out.

 

Not impossible for Beane to trade back into the 1st and grab Metcalf as well. 

 

As for Oliver, I can't complain with that selection. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by Chicken Boo

[Billsfansinceday1]

 Punt me in if he is there at #9.  Otherwise Sweat or Hockenson.  If Allen or Williams fall then all bets are off.

[Alphadawg7]

None of these reporters know anything.  They all say they have sources that say we are all in on different players.  

 

Nothing to see here.  

[billsbackto81]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't rule out they trade up a few spots to get Oliver. At the start of the college season this was a 2 man draft class - Bosa and Oliver. Bosa missed half the year injured and his stock is unaffected. Oliver put on a jacket his coach didn't want him to to and the media had him plummeting into the teens. If he is there at #9 the Bills take him but it is very possible maybe even likely that someone takes him before that. 

I could live with it if it's a 4th or lower or any combo of the last 5 we have. We have too many needs still to give up a 3rd or better.

[buffaloboyinATL]

41 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

Not impossible for Beane to trade back into the 1st and grab Metcalf as well. 

 

As for Oliver, I can't complain with that selection. 

That is actually what I am hoping for. 2 first round picks. a DL/DE and a TE/WR.

[purple haze]

2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

Realistically how much to do want to give up? 49ers and Jets are in play I believe but that is like 2019-1 & 2, 2020-1 and maybe more. I would think teams would want more picks this year in a very deep draft? The Raiders certainly would like another #1 next season, the other teams might not....

I doubt they would get the Jets to deal.  I don't know what or how much Beane should be willing to give up, but if Oliver is a guy him and McD identify as a player who is their guy, go get him.  

[Reed83HOF]

37 minutes ago, purple haze said:

I doubt they would get the Jets to deal.  I don't know what or how much Beane should be willing to give up, but if Oliver is a guy him and McD identify as a player who is their guy, go get him.  

I doubt there would be an in-division trade like this. I find it more likely everyone stays away from that...

[billsredneck1]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

I think they might need to get over Tampa Bay.   McCoy might be out and Oliver would fit in there very well.  Would the Raiders deal? The Raiders might do anything.

shaq , no. 9 and a 4th to oakland for pick no. 4 .  we get q. williams?

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

shaq , no. 9 and a 4th to oakland for pick no. 4 .  we get q. williams?

Not even in the ball park. But I do think they are a perfect team who would take a 2020 first instead of a 2nd this year

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Not even in the ball park. But I do think they are a perfect team who would take a 2020 first instead of a 2nd this year

I’d rather wait until their picks in the 20s to see if someone falls. Hock. Fant. Burns. Metcalf. And try and trade a 1st next year and something other than a 2nd this year to live back up and get a 2nd top tier talent 

Edited April 19, 2019 by mrags

[purple haze]

10 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

shaq , no. 9 and a 4th to oakland for pick no. 4 .  we get q. williams?

Quinnen Williams would work too.  That said, I don't think the Jets take Oliver.  I wouldn't doubt That Gregg likes him, but he ain't the head coach or the GM.  This leadership group the Jets have?  I see grease fires sooner or later.  Bills are in great position to make a move on the AFC East.

Edited April 19, 2019 by purple haze

[billsredneck1]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

Not even in the ball park. But I do think they are a perfect team who would take a 2020 first instead of a 2nd this year

yeah you're probably right. i don't see beane parting with a future 1st and i don't see him giving up this year's picks either.  i think he'll play the let the draft come to us card.

i guess all i can pray for at least 2 qbs going . we might have to jump the lions though.

[Victory Formation]

Ed Oliver would be great, but if the Jets take him at 3 and Beane wants to boost defense, how bout Devin White? Throw him in there with Edmunds and Milano and we have the best LBs in the NFL. Not a bad reality for Buffalo. I hope McBeane play with that dynamic. 

[BillsfaninSB]

I really do not want to trade up for Oliver.  If he is there at 9 then fine. 

 

Still would rather focus on offense. 

Edited April 19, 2019 by BillsfaninSB

[billsredneck1]

Just now, NewDayBills said:

Ed Oliver would be great, but if the Jets take him at 3 and Beane wants to boost defense, how bout Devin White? Throw him in there with Edmunds and Milano and we have the best LBs in the NFL. Not a bad reality for Buffalo. I hope McBeane play with that dynamic. 

i was thinking about how that could help the run defense...an extra 100 tackles...

 

edit: just read a chris trepasso article on other lbs in this class so i changed my mind. no devin white at 9.

[Augie]

Somebody should tweet that the Bills desperately want Pee Wee Herman. See if the Jets are all in on him, too. 

[billsredneck1]

9 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I really do not want to trade up for Oliver.  If he is there at 9 then fine. 

 

Still would rather focus on offense. 

if he's gone i hope they get montez sweat. we could probably get tillery or simmons at 40.

[Rocket94]

3 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i was thinking about how that could help the run defense...an extra 100 tackles...

 

edit: just read a chris trepasso article on other lbs in this class so i changed my mind. no devin white at 9.

White would bring a whole new dynamic to the defense.

[Mickey]

4 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I think it will be the Bucs or NYG. I like NYG a lot as a move up as it isn't a huge jump in terms of picks to give up. 

From Beane:

 

I know I say ‘draft the best player available,’ and I truly mean that. But if there’s a guy that’s best player available and he fits a need, that is also telling you what you should do with the board,” Beane said. “It’s not that we’re trying to ignore needs, but that we’re trying to fill needs. But you can’t reach for needs, and that’s why I gave the example last time. If we had not picked the quarterback at #12 last year if we had stayed put and said, ‘Well, what the heck. We’re just going to pick a quarterback at #22, no matter who it is’ without having a first-round grade on them, then it doesn’t make sense.”

 

Beane: And that’s why I’m going to continue at times to be aggressive when it needs to be aggressive.”

McD “I don’t even know if this is a word … responsibly non-patient,” McDermott said. “Right? It’s like calculated aggressiveness." 

 

From Me:

We targeted a QB last year and when up to get him...

 

They didn't use the word "targeting", just described their attitude about bpa vs. need. I don't see how that explains at all what "the bills are targeting Ed Oliver" means. Last year, everyone on the planet knew we needed a QB and that there were 4 well thought of candidates coming out. They got as high as they could and hoped for the to get one of the guys at the top of their board. So I guess I'll ask again, what does "targeting Ed Oliver" mean? Does it mean we are going hell bent for leather to trade up to get him? If so, that is news. Does it mean if he is there at 9 we will take him? If so, then it is nothing new as people have mocked Oliver to the Bills for months and months. News Flash: I am "targeting" Gal Gadot as my second wife. If I have a chance to get her, I will move aggressively to do so but if she is not, I am not going to just pick any second wife because then it doesn't make sense. 

[YoloinOhio]

5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

What happened with him at Michigan St? Looked quick and all i can find is he left and went to Mississippi st.  No details into why

He got kicked out. Not committed to football. Weed and theft. 

[BigDingus]

Yes, please help bolster our weak defense! 

I mean, we have a whopping ONE WHOLE TEAM ahead of us in overall defensive ranking, that's embarrassing! 

Thankfully our offense is set, especially with our FA signings. And with only a measly 29 teams ranked ahead of us, there's hardly room for improvement. Josh Allen already silenced all his critics, so there's really nothing left our offense needs to do but deliver us the Lombardi trophy & seal the deal.

And with Ed Oliver anchoring the defense, the offense can rest comfortably knowing their efforts won't be in vein anymore.

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

Yes, please help bolster our weak defense! 

I mean, we have a whopping ONE WHOLE TEAM ahead of us in overall defensive ranking, that's embarrassing! 

Thankfully our offense is set, especially with our FA signings. And with only a measly 29 teams ranked ahead of us, there's hardly room for improvement. Josh Allen already silenced all his critics, so there's really nothing left our offense needs to do but deliver us the Lombardi trophy & seal the deal.

And with Ed Oliver anchoring the defense, the offense can rest comfortably knowing their efforts won't be in vein anymore.

 

I get wanting to improve the offense. I really do.  The top of this draft is not about offense. Do you want to skip over an A+ guy for a B- guy because he plays on the “right” side of the ball?  I want All Pros in the first round. Don’t pick a 2nd round talent at 9 to help Allen. We can get 2nd round guys in the 2nd and later. Just one guy’s opinion. 

[McBean]

Give me more offensive playmakers.

 

To heck with defense.

[Reed83HOF]

33 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I get wanting to improve the offense. I really do.  The top of this draft is not about offense. Do you want to skip over an A+ guy for a B- guy because he plays on the “right” side of the ball?  I want All Pros in the first round. Don’t pick a 2nd round talent at 9 to help Allen. We can get 2nd round guys in the 2nd and later. Just one guy’s opinion. 

Correct! One thing that has been missing on our team is blue chippers. For countless years or drafting philosophy was to fill holes, yes you can fill holes when you look at BPA, but our problem was reaching to fill holes and not placing proper round value on positions. Aside from QB a D lineman who can create havoc in the pocket is a huge, glaring hole on this team and their are 4 real good blue chip talents at the top of this draft that are that much more superior than the rest.

 

While I would love to surround Allen with every great player, the talent separation in both the depth in the WR and TE positional rankings and even in comparison to these 4 is much smaller. Get a few All Pros to build around and don't over draft positions based on "need".