YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) Super interesting in-depth article by Ty Dunne about the breakup of Aaron Rodgers and mike McCarthy in GB. Dunne covered the Packers before he covered the Bills (and has since moved on the national nfl coverage) so has some access within the organization https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2828649-what-happened-in-green-bay Quote There had to be a breaking point. An incident, an argument, a loss, a moment that doomed the football marriage of Aaron Rodgers and Mike McCarthy. Anyone could see the Packers quarterback and head coach were headed for divorce well before that inconceivable 20-17 loss to the lowly Cardinals in December, the one that finally got McCarthy fired. Death stares and defiance from Rodgers had been constant for years by then. But how far back do you have to go to find the beginning of the end? The worst-kept secret at 1265 Lombardi Avenue was that Rodgers seemed to loathe his coach from the moment McCarthy was hired. Nobody holds a grudge in any sport like Rodgers. When it comes to Rodgers, grudges do not merrily float away. They stick. They grow. They refuel. No, Rodgers would not forget that McCarthy had helped perpetuate his four-and-a-half-hour wait in the NFL draft green room the year prior. His nationally televised embarrassment. McCarthy, then the 49ersoffensive coordinator, chose Alex Smith No. 1 overall. Not Rodgers. No, Rodgers would not take it as a funny accident. Edited April 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Are you effing kidding me? Wow. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Along with betting the over on the Bills' win totals for next year, I should bet the under on the Packers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Aaron Rodgers is a maniac LOL! One of the more interesting NFL players ever and in my opinion the GOAT QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Dang. Rodgers is a bit of an A-Hole.... What does these new revelations about Rodgers mean for the Favre - Rodgers relationship? Do we still believe the simple answer that Favre was a curmudgeonly old man? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 that was a great read! THIS EXPLAINS A LOT! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Not a surprise that one of the greatest QB’s of all-time is an a-hole. Most of the greats in any profession are. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Along with betting the over on the Bills' win totals for next year, I should bet the under on the Packers. if they keep loading up that defense they might be really good next year. Another weapon for rodgers and that team will win. Plus a motivated rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 For being filthy rich, widely recognized as one of the best at your craft and an impressive lineup of female "friends", Rodgers sure seems like a really unhappy dude. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Ever hear the story about how Aaron Rodgers disowned his parents and brother. Seems like a big a-hole. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Ever hear the story about how Aaron Rodgers disowned his parents and brother. Seems like a big a-hole. People's family lives can be super complicated. Many people have families with strained relationships and sometimes wealth only makes the strain worse. Im not going to come down on Rodgers about his personal relationships without knowing both sides of the story. Edited April 4, 2019 by jletha 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Was just coming to post this Yolo. Wow what a story! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 “getting a massage in his office during team meetings” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 9 minutes ago, RiotAct said: “getting a massage in his office during team meetings” least he was not at the New Day spa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 What an incredibly reported story. OUTSTANDING job by Ty Dunne. I think there's a little bit of truth to all of it. I'm sure the coach-QB relationship DID sour. I'm sure Rodgers IS kind of a dick. I'm sure Ted Thompson was a pretty bad GM (which I've always thought). But it's important to remember that a lot of the most negative quotes about Rodgers come from just two guys: Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley. Without knowing the specifics of the way the relationships between those two men and Rodgers played out, its impossible to know how much of what they say is accurate and how much is just them having an axe to grind for some reason or another. In any case, I'll just say this: I am SO glad that Josh Allen appears to be the polar opposite of how Rodgers is described in this piece. And I'm happy that Sean McDermott seems to be the polar opposite of the way McCarthy is described, too. For anyone who still doubts that TEAM CULTURE is the most important thing in football, just read this story. They have the greatest quarterback of all time, and what good did it do them once things got shaky? Culture matters. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Dang. Rodgers is a bit of an A-Hole.... What does these new revelations about Rodgers mean for the Favre - Rodgers relationship? Do we still believe the simple answer that Favre was a curmudgeonly old man? I think the conclusion is they are both egomaniacs... destined to not be friends. interesting article. I started noticing the lack of checkdown and chainmovers from AR this past season. Wasn’t sure if it had always been there. Now it seems it was a personality issue with those players or sabotaging the coach. Id be upset if I spent money on packers tickets this past year. Edited April 4, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, Logic said: What an incredibly reported story. OUTSTANDING job by Ty Dunne. I think there's a little bit of truth to all of it. I'm sure the coach-QB relationship DID sour. I'm sure Rodgers IS kind of a dick. I'm sure Ted Thompson was a pretty bad GM (which I've always thought). But it's important to remember that a lot of the most negative quotes about Rodgers come from just two guys: Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley. Without knowing the specifics of the way the relationships between those two men and Rodgers played out, its impossible to know how much of what they say is accurate and how much is just them having an axe to grind for some reason or another. In any case, I'll just say this: I am SO glad that Josh Allen appears to be the polar opposite of how Rodgers is described in this piece. And I'm happy that Sean McDermott seems to be the polar opposite of the way McCarthy is described, too. For anyone who still doubts that TEAM CULTURE is the most important thing in football, just read this story. They have the greatest quarterback of all time, and what good did it do them once things got shaky? Culture matters. 1 - can Allen have an ego at this point? If he gets to Rodgers level, I won’t be surprised if he wants to control more of the way things are run. All great qbs do. 2 - McCarthy sucked. He wasn’t a good coach. He kept the Toupee as his DC for way too long. He wasn’t even that good of an OC. He ruined Rodgers’ career. If Rodgers wasn’t so good, McCarthy would have been fired years ago. One of the worst coaches in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Logic said: What an incredibly reported story. OUTSTANDING job by Ty Dunne. I think there's a little bit of truth to all of it. I'm sure the coach-QB relationship DID sour. I'm sure Rodgers IS kind of a dick. I'm sure Ted Thompson was a pretty bad GM (which I've always thought). But it's important to remember that a lot of the most negative quotes about Rodgers come from just two guys: Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley. Without knowing the specifics of the way the relationships between those two men and Rodgers played out, its impossible to know how much of what they say is accurate and how much is just them having an axe to grind for some reason or another. In any case, I'll just say this: I am SO glad that Josh Allen appears to be the polar opposite of how Rodgers is described in this piece. And I'm happy that Sean McDermott seems to be the polar opposite of the way McCarthy is described, too. For anyone who still doubts that TEAM CULTURE is the most important thing in football, just read this story. They have the greatest quarterback of all time, and what good did it do them once things got shaky? Culture matters. A counter arguement can be easily made using the same exact post you made. The final sentence could be, even with shaky relationships and bad culture - if your QB is awesome and things come together you can win a superbowl and make everyone thing you're one of the best franchises in the league. I think culture is BS. Major team issues are all you need to avoid. An excellent QB, a coach that can game plan, good/smart enough players at the other positions to execute their part is what matters. More than everyone really liking or respecting each other. There's a certain level of respect needed but what gets todays players to buy into that is telling them the selfish benefits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills11 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Rodgers is definetely arrogant anyone can see that..he's much more Kobe than dirk Nowitzki . At the same time though..the Packers have wasted nearly his entire career with archaic policy's like Thompson's free agent aversion and mcarthys in game blunders . They could have easily got Marshawn Lynch his college teamate from Buffalo which would have taken them to another level on offence etc ...the Patriots work because Belichick might be a huge jerk but his coaching is brilliant so it erases whatever flaws are in him and toms relationship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, White Linen said: A counter arguement can be easily made using the same exact post you made. The final sentence could be, even with shaky relationships and bad culture - if your QB is awesome and things come together you can win a superbowl and make everyone thing you're one of the best franchises in the league. I think culture is BS. Major team issues are all you need to avoid. An excellent QB, a coach that can game plan, good/smart enough players at the other positions to execute their part is what matters. More than everyone really liking or respecting each other. There's a certain level of respect needed but what gets todays players to buy into that is telling them the selfish benefits. Well said. Plenty of awful teams have good culture. There are girl’s youth soccer teams that have good culture of drinking juice boxes after games that never score goals. Winning = culture 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D521646 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Wow, this article is one of the best I've ever read about the "inside baseball" of a Football team. Sure as casual observers we all knew something was going on, but this article makes no claim to who's fault it was, but it clearly lays out the framework for what not to allow happen. Great post, OP.!! Tim- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 McCarthy wasn’t even that good of an OC https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/McCaMi0.htm the QB is always going to win. Rodgers is much, much, much better at his job than McCarthy. McCarthy should be grateful for Rodgers for carrying him all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kangaxx Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I think Aaron Rodgers is deeply insecure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 1 - can Allen have an ego at this point? If he gets to Rodgers level, I won’t be surprised if he wants to control more of the way things are run. All great qbs do. It's more than that, though. Allen seems like a really humble kid. The whole thing about Rodgers freezing teammates out of his life, putting them in "the doghouse", not reciprocating their off-field friendships and kindnesses...none of that seems like Josh Allen. Allen is universally described as highly coachable, humble, "gets it", etc. And in just his first full offseason with the team, he already has various practices with his WRs scheduled and was recently shown at dinner with his teammates. I'm not saying Allen could never become Rodgers. How could I possibly know that? I AM saying, though, that it appears highly unlikely. Allen appears to be a born leader and quality person. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Just now, Logic said: It's more than that, though. Allen seems like a really humble kid. The whole thing about Rodgers freezing teammates out of his life, putting them in "the doghouse", not reciprocating their off-field friendships and kindnesses...none of that seems like Josh Allen. Allen is universally described as highly coachable, humble, "gets it", etc. And in just his first full offseason with the team, he already has various practices with his WRs scheduled and was recently shown at dinner with his teammates. I'm not saying Allen could never become Rodgers. How could I possibly know that? I AM saying, though, that it appears highly unlikely. Allen appears to be a born leader and quality person. I don’t remember hearing about any problems of Rodgers being a leader earlier in his career. Then he became the best qb in the nfl and probably got an ego. And he knew he had a garbage coach. It happens all the time. Brady and Belichick butt heads. No matter how good a coach is, the great qb should probably win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Ever hear the story about how Aaron Rodgers disowned his parents and brother. Seems like a big a-hole. Wasn't that crazy B word(and former Rodgers girlfriend), Olivia Mund, a big reason why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I don’t remember hearing about any problems of Rodgers being a leader earlier in his career. Then he became the best qb in the nfl and probably got an ego. And he knew he had a garbage coach. It happens all the time. Brady and Belichick butt heads. No matter how good a coach is, the great qb should probably win. Did you read the whole Dunne article? It sure seems like it's more than just "QB becomes successful, QB gets big ego". He seems overly sensitive, petty, isolated, and refuses to accept blame for anything. Who knows if the article accurately represents Rodgers, but if it does, it paints him in a very negative light. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 And I thought Rodgers only disliked certain motorcycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 The Packers will become the new Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Aaron Rodgers is a rug pee'er 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 3 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Aaron Rodgers is a maniac LOL! One of the more interesting NFL players ever and in my opinion the GOAT QB. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fan_in_tx Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Ever hear the story about how Aaron Rodgers disowned his parents and brother. Seems like a big a-hole. Drew Brees did as well prior to his mothers death. What's your point? Family's can be complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Not surprised. I think I remember reading Rodgers stopped talking to his family. Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 3 hours ago, Doc said: Along with betting the over on the Bills' win totals for next year, I should bet the under on the Packers. do you have a recommended betting site? I def want to bet over on Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 2 hours ago, RiotAct said: “getting a massage in his office during team meetings” 2 hours ago, RiotAct said: “getting a massage in his office during team meetings” Lol “ the angle of the dangle is directly perpendicular to the beat of the meat “ - Beavis 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Amazing piece. Arguably the best piece of football writing in the last year/year plus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, APoxOnYou said: I think Aaron Rodgers is deeply insecure. He did this one interview a few years ago - can’t remember which media outlet - and they made an innocuous comment about how height. He reacted very defensively and pissed. I need to look this up now. Edit: yup, here it is. It was 60 Minutes https://www.google.com/amp/s/deadspin.com/aaron-rodgers-is-very-sensitive-about-his-height-5957852/amp Edited April 4, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, fan_in_tx said: Drew Brees did as well prior to his mothers death. What's your point? Family's can be complicated. Sometimes with family, you need to be the better person and take the high road. Regardless of family dynamics/ complications , some people really just are A-holes in real life. Even sports stars that many people think highly of. We often only see their “ public” persona, and that’s the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFlutie Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Seems like a lot of people in this thread don't understand what culture means. NE, for instance, has the strongest culture of any organization I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 4, 2019 Author Share Posted April 4, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackFlutie said: Seems like a lot of people in this thread don't understand what culture means. NE, for instance, has the strongest culture of any organization I've ever seen. Their culture guy just left and went to the Texans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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