row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, prissythecat said: Can you pay for someone take a Wonderlic for you just like how those rich people paid millions to get their kids scores fabricated in that Admissions Scandal i got a feeling the person of interest writing the test are easily identified when they come in to write. not sure if there's a market of smart guys the size of offensive lineman able to fill in for a test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, these aren’t related at all. Jim Kelly got a 15. Marino got a 16. Fitz got a 48. football intelligence is completely different than wonderlic “intelligence.” While the test may not be indicative of future success, it does provide one useful measuring stick to help evaluate a player's ability to learn and process information. The Fitz score has been a running joke for years -- but think about this, for a minute. For all of his short-comings, Fitz has been around the league for a long time. 2019 will be his 15th year in the league. He has had to learn multiple offenses -- often with no off-season to do so. His headiness has allowed him to hang around the NFL for many more seasons than his underwhelming physical traits would otherwise merit. Josh's relatively high score suggests that he should be able to learn and apply concepts. He has all of the physical tools that any QB would ever want. Aside from pure luck (staying injury-free, supporting cast, etc.), the key to success will be his motivation and the quality of those who are guiding/coaching him. Given how much improvement we saw pre and post injury for him last year, the arrow is pointing in the right direction. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 They usually do not use the test results to prove the candidate is fundamentally illiterate. 10 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: While the test may not be indicative of future success, it does provide one useful measuring stick to help evaluate a player's ability to learn and process information. The Fitz score has been a running joke for years -- but think about this, for a minute. For all of his short-comings, Fitz has been around the league for a long time. 2019 will be his 15th year in the league. He has had to learn multiple offenses -- often with no off-season to do so. His headiness has allowed him to hang around the NFL for many more seasons than his underwhelming physical traits would otherwise merit. Josh's relatively high score suggests that he should be able to learn and apply concepts. He has all of the physical tools that any QB would ever want. Aside from pure luck (staying injury-free, supporting cast, etc.), the key to success will be his motivation and the quality of those who are guiding/coaching him. Given how much improvement we saw pre and post injury for him last year, the arrow is pointing in the right direction. Good QBs have usually had good skill players around them, and the inverse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 11 minutes ago, ALF said: With a complicated playbook (Rex D) it's helps a lot to have the high wonderlic , good memory. I'm more in favor with a less complicated O and D. less mistakes that way. That goes for OL scheme after what Castillo did. You misspelled "antiquated". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, transient said: You misspelled "antiquated". Rex had his system, ***** Mario Williams if he won't sacrifice all his abilities to play in this antiquated system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 It's also about figuring out how to take the test. So there are 50 questions, say 27 can be done in 5 seconds by basically everyone, some can be done in 5 seconds by some people and others take a lot longer and there are some that take 10 minutes for the smartest, most knowledgeable person alive. If you put a few of the harder problems early, and the real tough one at like #15, then a 27 therefore shows you know how to take a test, because you skipped problems and are a good test taker. That said, you could be really smart, get through the first 14 and just have to figure out the #15 problem...not necessarily a bad thing, not near as bad if you get a 13 and skipped all the hard ones (having the desire to solve complex problems is a good thing to have, but doing that on this test probably shows you have adhd, or did not prepare for the test in anyway...the lack of prep would be more of a concern by far). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 This was my favorite topic this time last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: This was my favorite topic this time last year that would work for at last 5 dozen subjects... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: This was my favorite topic this time last year "13" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: "13" Exactly. That simple number was the cause of mass triggering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Exactly. That simple number was the cause of mass triggering. It was glorious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think anyone has ever suggested that the Wonderlic is a conclusive measure to QB success. It’s one piece of the puzzle. The higher the better, Allen gets a check mark here. Not sure why every year it’s a “but Kelly/Marino! But Fitz” argument back and forth as to whether it is meanigful. It’s one factor of many factors. It’s a good sign to score high. It’s a bad sign to score low. But it’s not a determinant either way. There is a reason they still give the test. I don’t know why it’s ever worth arguing about. Agreed. But some of the bigger criticisms of Allen were the mental part of the game. So obviously, he’s not a dumb person. But guys like EJ (28), JP (31), and Trent did well too and it really didn’t mean much. i was called the biggest homer on this board for years. I always wanted players to be good. I freely admit I have a blind spot to judging Bills players. I didn’t want Allen. And it had nothing to do with his physical skills or mental abilities. History says that if Allen becomes a successful qb, it will be a huge expectation to the general rule. I wish I could just join the cult of Allen and just blindly believe. Sorry but years of blindly believing and getting let down made me real skeptical. I’m need much more than 52% and a solid wonderlic score to change that. And as always, I hope the homers are right. 2 hours ago, Gugny said: Ahhhh ... there it is. Thank you for not disappointing. You’re welcome nerd. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes and no. I think the job of the modern QB involves a lot of work off the field - ability to study and retain information, ability to recognize when the same pattern is being presented in different forms. So from one POV, the Wonderlic score matters just because the QBs know it's on the menu. Given that it's on the menu, a guy who has an adequate scholastic background consistent with a high school college-prep education and puts in some preparation should be able to hit in the mid-20s. I would say in this day and age, a score of less than 25 would be a watchout - it would either mean the guy has a learning disability or a poor scholastic background, or just didn't prepare at all. So if I were a team considering him, I would want to investigate very carefully and satisfy myself that the guy can actually do the kind of study and retention he needs. Other than that, I'm not sure a higher score correlates with higher QB'ing ability since I would tend to agree that the type of thinking needed to nuke a test like that differs from the kind of on-field "see and react" a QB needs. The thing that made me laugh was something someone with some UCLA "inside skinny" posted last year about Josh Rosen's attitude - that going in, from what he heard of the guy from people who had met him, he would expect him (Rosen) to have had the attitude that he's extremely intelligent so naturally he would have one of the very best Wonderlic scores, and then "this happened" LOL. (and I do think Rosen has more potential and less poisonous attitude than sometimes painted, but Mr Smarty Pants did get thoroughly shown up on the Wonderlic by Our Own "Mr Cornfed" and Darnold). That’s fair. But like the SATs, there are other factors for certain scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, row_33 said: you get 8 for writing your name out I don't know why, but this just had me laughing hysterically (inside voice) at my desk at work!! Too damn funny!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Shaw66 said: This is actually wrong. A lot of people can score in the 40s on the Wonderlic if they have enough time. The questions aren't very hard. It isn't the SATs. The whole point of the Wonderlic is to see if you can think accurately and quickly under pressure. Most people don't finish the test within the time limit. It has nothing to do with delivering an accurate pass within 3 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Seems there are good QB's all over that scoring scale. Not sure what it means based on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Well of the 1st round qbs, dumb Lamar was the only one in the playoffs. ..does he know it?.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Houston's #1 Bills Fan Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, BringBackFergy said: Jamarcus Russell scored better than Brett Favre. Air go, Jamarcus > Brett Favre Jamarcus thought it was an eating contest! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Yes let’s isolate one dimension. Show it’s not statistically perfect and then disregard that dimension. Pretty sure that’s how intelligent people operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The thing about Fitzpatrick is that the 48 is the only reason he has had su cess in the league. Slow guys with mediocre arms don't survive well in the NFL. Fitz thinks his way to the success he has had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roch Jim Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 "Jamarcus Russell scored better than Brett Favre. Air go, Jamarcus > Brett Favre" Please tell me you were having fun in a Wonderlic discussion when you said "Air go". Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 56 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I was called the biggest homer on this board for years. I always wanted players to be good. I freely admit I have a blind spot to judging Bills players. I didn’t want Allen. And it had nothing to do with his physical skills or mental abilities. History says that if Allen becomes a successful qb, it will be a huge expectation to the general rule. I wish I could just join the cult of Allen and just blindly believe. Sorry but years of blindly believing and getting let down made me real skeptical. I’m need much more than 52% and a solid wonderlic score to change that. And as always, I hope the homers are right. But you've gone to far the other way, and are going out of your way not to like the kid. Listen, we all know that you're dying to jump on the bandwagon. What is it going to take? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: i was called the biggest homer on this board for years. I always wanted players to be good. I freely admit I have a blind spot to judging Bills players. I didn’t want Allen. And it had nothing to do with his physical skills or mental abilities. History says that if Allen becomes a successful qb, it will be a huge expectation to the general rule. I wish I could just join the cult of Allen and just blindly believe. Sorry but years of blindly believing and getting let down made me real skeptical. I’m need much more than 52% and a solid wonderlic score to change that. And as always, I hope the homers are right. And your solution is to now berate other posters and call them homers because they look for optimism? Curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I'm glad we don't have to go through this year again.... '6' = worse than a Janitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Has nothing to do with making a decision within 3 seconds under pressure and accurately delivering a pass. All this says is Allen can retain a lot of information. What it means is that he has greater capacity to process what he sees and is more capable to interpret it correctly, thus making the right decision. Smarter people have the correct answer before less smart people. Give me a smart QB anytime. None of this has anything to do with the ability to throw the ball with the right velocity or accuracy. Coaching, athletic ability, and practice has to do the job with that. Unfortunately all the coaching in the world can't overcome stupidity ( Vince Young proved that for all of us.). All of the test scores with the exception of one, fall in a range that teams consider to be good for an NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Forward Progress said: For those who want to know all of the scores... NFL Wonderlic Scores I have pulled out a list of QB's for the sake of reference: Player Score Position Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB Blaine Gabbert 42 QB Carson Wentz 40 QB Alex Smith 40 QB Eli Manning 39 QB Matthew Stafford 38 QB Colin Kaepernick 38 QB Josh Allen 37 QB Tony Romo 37 QB Andrew Luck 37 QB Jared Goff 36 QB Sam Bradford 36 QB Drew Bledsoe 36 QB Aaron Rodgers 35 QB Ryan Tannehill 34 QB Tom Brady 33 QB Nathan Peterman 33 QB Steve Young 33 QB Marcus Mariota 33 QB Kirk Cousins 33 QB Johnny Manziel 32 QB Matt Ryan 32 QB JP Losman 31 QB Trent Edwards 31 QB Phillip Rivers 30 QB Josh McCown 30 QB Matt Barkley 30 QB Josh Rosen 29 QB Troy Aikman 29 QB John Elway 29 QB Andy Dalton 29 QB Rex Grossman 29 QB Nick Foles 29 QB Matt Hasselbeck 29 QB Jimmy Garoppolo 29 QB Sam Darnold 28 QB Blake Bortles 28 QB Mark Sanchez 28 QB Drew Brees 28 QB Peyton Manning 28 QB EJ Manuel 28 QB Russell Wilson 28 QB Joe Flacco 27 QB Carson Palmer 26 QB Jay Cutler 26 QB Kyle Orton 26 QB Baker Mayfield 25 QB Ben Roethlisberger 25 QB Chad Pennington 25 QB Colt McCoy 25 QB Cardale Jones 25 QB Dak Prescott 25 QB Mitchell Trubisky 25 QB Brock Osweiler 25 QB JaMarcus Russell 24 QB Jacoby Brissett 24 QB Geno Smith 24 QB David Carr 24 QB Patrick Mahomes 24 QB Robert Griffin III 24 QB Jordan Palmer 23 QB Tim Tebow 22 QB Brett Farve 22 QB AJ McCarron 22 QB Cam Newton 21 QB Deshaun Watson 20 QB Teddy Bridgewater 20 QB Jake Locker 20 QB Derek Carr 20 QB Michael Vick 20 QB Derek Anderson 19 QB Daunte Culpepper 18 QB Paxton Lynch 18 QB Vinny Testaverde 17 QB Terry Bradshaw 16 QB Dan Marino 16 QB Jim Kelly 15 QB Vince Young 15 QB Steve Mcnair 15 QB Donovan Mcnabb 14 QB Kordell Stewart 14 QB Lamar Jackson 13 QB Vince Young 6 QB How is Vince Young up there twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, the skycap said: How is Vince Young up there twice? I think he re-took it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he re-took it Why didn't they erase the lower score? There's quite a few HOFer's with scores in the teens. Is the wonderlic overrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, the skycap said: Why didn't they erase the lower score? There's quite a few HOFer's with scores in the teens. Is the wonderlic overrated? When did these HOFers last play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 51 minutes ago, Roch Jim said: "Jamarcus Russell scored better than Brett Favre. Air go, Jamarcus > Brett Favre" Please tell me you were having fun in a Wonderlic discussion when you said "Air go". Please? I’m pretty sure that comment is sponsored by Nike... Imbedded advertising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Roch Jim said: "Jamarcus Russell scored better than Brett Favre. Air go, Jamarcus > Brett Favre" Please tell me you were having fun in a Wonderlic discussion when you said "Air go". Please? You're post is a nonseckwiter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Now we know how Vince Young got to school https://m.imgur.com/gallery/TFt30og Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Forward Progress said: For those who want to know all of the scores... NFL Wonderlic Scores I have pulled out a list of QB's for the sake of reference: Player Score Position Ryan Fitzpatrick 48 QB Blaine Gabbert 42 QB Carson Wentz 40 QB Alex Smith 40 QB Eli Manning 39 QB Matthew Stafford 38 QB Colin Kaepernick 38 QB Josh Allen 37 QB Tony Romo 37 QB Andrew Luck 37 QB Jared Goff 36 QB Sam Bradford 36 QB Drew Bledsoe 36 QB Aaron Rodgers 35 QB Ryan Tannehill 34 QB Tom Brady 33 QB Nathan Peterman 33 QB Steve Young 33 QB Marcus Mariota 33 QB Kirk Cousins 33 QB Johnny Manziel 32 QB Matt Ryan 32 QB JP Losman 31 QB Trent Edwards 31 QB Phillip Rivers 30 QB Josh McCown 30 QB Matt Barkley 30 QB Josh Rosen 29 QB Troy Aikman 29 QB John Elway 29 QB Andy Dalton 29 QB Rex Grossman 29 QB Nick Foles 29 QB Matt Hasselbeck 29 QB Jimmy Garoppolo 29 QB Sam Darnold 28 QB Blake Bortles 28 QB Mark Sanchez 28 QB Drew Brees 28 QB Peyton Manning 28 QB EJ Manuel 28 QB Russell Wilson 28 QB Joe Flacco 27 QB Carson Palmer 26 QB Jay Cutler 26 QB Kyle Orton 26 QB Baker Mayfield 25 QB Ben Roethlisberger 25 QB Chad Pennington 25 QB Colt McCoy 25 QB Cardale Jones 25 QB Dak Prescott 25 QB Mitchell Trubisky 25 QB Brock Osweiler 25 QB JaMarcus Russell 24 QB Jacoby Brissett 24 QB Geno Smith 24 QB David Carr 24 QB Patrick Mahomes 24 QB Robert Griffin III 24 QB Jordan Palmer 23 QB Tim Tebow 22 QB Brett Farve 22 QB AJ McCarron 22 QB Cam Newton 21 QB Deshaun Watson 20 QB Teddy Bridgewater 20 QB Jake Locker 20 QB Derek Carr 20 QB Michael Vick 20 QB Derek Anderson 19 QB Daunte Culpepper 18 QB Paxton Lynch 18 QB Vinny Testaverde 17 QB Terry Bradshaw 16 QB Dan Marino 16 QB Jim Kelly 15 QB Vince Young 15 QB Steve Mcnair 15 QB Donovan Mcnabb 14 QB Kordell Stewart 14 QB Lamar Jackson 13 QB Vince Young 6 QB There are some interesting trends there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobs0108 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The way I look at the Wonderlic today for a Qb as long as you score a 25 or higher you have a chance at being a starter in the NFL as long as the rest of the skills and brains add up. If you are under 25 it is a lot harder but doesn’t mean it won’t happen. Like what was said up stream it’s just one of many measures that you use to drafting a Qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 hours ago, The Jokeman said: According to http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/wonderlic-test-scores-nfl-draft-lamar-jackson-baker-mayfield-josh-allen-rosen-2018/ybb46fv3x1ex1r4hj3l4j9gtb Josh Rosen was supposed to be the hyperintelligent renaissance man last year, but our guy is a lot smarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 7 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Look at the intelligence of my QB. The sheer acumen of my QB. The brain capacity of my QB. The intellect of my QB. the aptitude of my QB. The precociousness of my QB. The IQ of my QB. I noticed you didn't mention "Accuracy" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I took it and got a 42 . Football players are not too bright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: Has nothing to do with making a decision within 3 seconds under pressure and accurately delivering a pass. All this says is Allen can retain a lot of information. The Wonderlic has almost ZERO to do with retaining information, past some basic vocabulary questions. Give it a try - it's not easy. Also, it is timed and it is really fast (12 minutes for 50 questions) so under pressure and fast are two key components. 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he re-took it Yes and he went from a 6 to a 16. I just tried one and got 29/29 when I ran out of time - apparently I'm smart enough to answer the questions but not smart enough to read the directions on the part where it's 12 minutes for 50 questions! Spent 5 minutes getting one that had me stuck Pretty sure I'd have been well in the 40's if I'd skipped it and moved on. I'm a physicist and robot AI developer, for context. Fitz has me impressed! Edited March 26, 2019 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 its basic math and word comprehension You score a 13 and the NCAA should explain how you got to college let alone passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 I think if you score in the 30's you are pretty sharp. Maybe not as smart and humble as Ducky Boys. But we can't all be Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 37 but on my phone and was listening to WGR. I could have done better and ran out of time. 4 hours ago, the skycap said: Why didn't they erase the lower score? There's quite a few HOFer's with scores in the teens. Is the wonderlic overrated? It is a freakin joke. I wrote earlier. I got a 37, on my phone, while listening to WGR. I am sure it would have improved IF I paid attention to the test and the timer. I cant imagine if Inhad practiced it a few times before ro get toming and pace down. There are better psychological instruments in the in line with a stronger correlation of successful QB play and instrument scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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