Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I could also see a former 1st round corner like Kevin Johnson cashing in somewhere if he stays healthy and has a good year. Positional value and young age will help there. There's also the tag, if Spain excels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 With this revamped OL Is Shady buying the champagne tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Uncle Joe said: With this revamped OL Is Shady buying the champagne tonight? Don’t give him any ideas 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Uncle Joe said: With this revamped OL Is Shady buying the champagne tonight? If he is, make sure he keeps it away from undercover cops on speed. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, Rufridr101 said: Are we the largest offensive line in the league This what the Patriots did last year. They loaded up with tight ends, fullbacks, and big offensive linemen and literally smashed people with old school power, duo, and counter plays, all the way to the Super bowl. With teams spending so much more time in nickel and getting smaller, quicker linebackers, it makes sense to attack them with some old school smash mouth football. And the playaction attack gets that much better. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Don’t give him any ideas Just now, Joe in Winslow said: If he is, make sure he keeps it away from undercover cops on speed. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: This what the Patriots did last year. They loaded up with tight ends, fullbacks, and big offensive linemen and literally smashed people with old school power, duo, and counter plays, all the way to the Super bowl. With teams spending so much more time in nickel and getting smaller, quicker linebackers, it makes sense to attack them with some old school smash mouth football. And the playaction attack gets that much better. I immediately think of Darron Lee and Kiko Alonso in our own division 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: This player was undrafted, not retained by his original team, and then signed a one year deal. I never heard of him before. We seem to be very exited over this signing and I hope that he winds up in the Pro Bowl. That said, can someone tell me what specifically he excels at. Is he just so good that we should overlook OL help in the draft? He's given up 5 sacks in 4 years (48 starts) http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/playerstats.asp?id=29063 I can live with that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MAJBobby Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Hope you are correct. He has been a marginal swing tackle most of his career and is 33. Mills was mostly below average, decent in run game, and putrid at time in pass protection. Just not convinced Nsekhe is much better. Still want to see OT drafted on day 2 They will likely Draft an OT but Nseke and actually Waddle are both much better than Mills. Nseke is is solid run blocker and a very good Pass Blocker. As I said just wish he was younger so we wouldnt have to worry about the RT in the future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Dare I say with all these guys signed, that we are building a bully?? If they can gel in camp, our offense is gonna be just what Josh can excel in...a smash mouth, play action, fiery offense with attitude? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 18: vs HOU 9/16, vs PHI 9/30, vs BAL 10/14, vs JAX 12/06, @NYG 12/16 BEST Mental Processing, Pass Pro, Anchor WORST UOH, Initial contact on pulls, finishing PROJECTION Starting OG you can win with in quick pass, zone-blocking scheme that allows him to uses his athletic traitsandmental processing, Pass Pro, and Anchor abilities. Limited by poor UOH, finishing, and functional strength. SCHEME FIT Best fits in quick pass, zone-blocking scheme that allows him to use his short area quickness. SUMMARY 4th year OG who has started 48 of 50 games, including 15 of 15 in 2018. 1styear under rookie HC Mike Vrabel, OC/play-caller Matt LaFleur’s West Coast based offense(1styear as a play-caller in NFL), and OL coach Keith Carter (1styear as an OL coach). Wasbenched in the second half of week 13, but started again the rest of the season. Solid height, good weight on a top heavy frame, with elite arm length, adequate hand size, and solid AA due to good agility, foot speed, and quickness, solid explosiveness, adequate bend, and marginal balance. Shows good mental processing pre-snap by receiving cue from QB then relaying to OC to snap the ball when in Shotgun and Pistol. Solid get-off on Gap blocks from 2 and 3-point stances. Able to stay square and engage DL and LB in assigned gap. Shows good understanding of when to stay on DBL and when to move on to the next assignment. Shows solid footwork to stay level and square. Shows solid ability to locate assignment on Pull blocks. Solid overall Zone blocking, with solid get off on Zone blocks from 2 and 3-point stances. Solid ability to engage Scoop blocks due to foot quickness to get to POA, keeps solid wide base and footwork. Shows good ability to locate and get to POA on reach blocks due to good agility and short area quickness and long arms. Demonstrates solid ability to block smaller body types in open space/screen plays, such as LB and Safeties. Shows solid ability to sustain Zone blocks due to his solid base and reach. Solid in Pass Pro, as he is able to set a solid wide base from 2/3 point stances while setting good set points due to quick footwork. Shows good set quickness to intersect rushers. Able to recognize most inside threat, and when to shift to more immediate threats due to good mental processing. Able to pick up stunts/twists due to good mental processing. Solid Anchor due to solid back strength and long arms, able to compete against solid power-rushers, maintaining clean pocket for 3-4 seconds. Good mental toughness, able to bounce back from poor play, fought to reclaim starting job after week 13 benching. Adequate overall Gap Blocker, struggles to get push at POA due to adequate play strength and poor UOH (late and outside). Marginal ability on pull blocksdue to habit of lowering his head before making contact which results in whiffs, as well as taking false steps when pulling. Adequate ability to sustain blocks due to poor UOH, resulting in players being able to turn him and make a play on ball-carrier. Sometimes will lower head on reach/2ndlevel blocks causing him to miss defender and have poor hand placement. Adequate sustaining zone blocks due to poor hand placement resulting in being levered by DL. Marginal finish on run blocks due to poor UOH, creating marginal leverage and adequate play strength, doesn’t block through the whistle by coming off blocks early if he believes the ball carrier is not near him. Is late on punch in Pass Pro resulting in poor UOH. Is adequate in maintaining half-man relationship vs smaller bodied DL/all types LBs. Marginal ability to deal with counters due to poor UOH and marginal balance, especially against swim moves. Struggles as Anchor against good power-rushers, and can be pushed into QB has to go beyond second read. Adequate overall Competitive toughness due to lack of effort on rollout play-action passes, and marginal aggressiveness show on run plays. Overall starting OG you can win with because of his mental processing, Pass Pro, and Anchor abilities. Best fits in quick pass, zone-blocking scheme that allows him to uses his athletic traits. Ideally would benefit from an experience OL coach to help fix his poor UOH, finishing, and functional strength Edited April 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think it is two sided here as well. I suspect when we see contract details Spain has signed at a pretty modest price. My guess on how this went down is that the Bills were interested in him early but he had a number in his head that we were not willing to go to so we went out and signed Feliciano. Then Spain realised his market was more at the price Buffalo offered than the price in he and his agent's head. Beane then rings him back and says "we are still interested" and he and his agent say "we will take that for one year" and bet on him to prove his value and have another dip at a big UFA deal in 2020. That is my take on how we ended up here. ..if he's "hitting it out of the park" at the 3/4 pole, maybe McBeane tries to extend him in season...... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuscott16 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He plays to the whistle for sure. He never stopped being aggressive with his blocking in those clips. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That is true - they could I suppose go: Nsekhe - Dawkins - Morse - Spain - draft pick I just maintain what I have already said about this (even though you know I share your view that Dawkins could be a dominant LG and will only ever be a serviceable LT)..... I am only moving Dawkins from LT to play Nsekhe there if I have already decided Dawkins is not my long term LT. If I still think he might be then I am sticking with him at that spot (I suspect the Bills still think he might be) rather than moving him about to accommodate a 33 year old career backup. I assume they haven’t concluded that yet, given he struggled after Richie left and playing next to a combo of Ducasse and a mid round rookie. They also canned the OL coach which tells me they hold him accountable for some of Dawkins regression. If I’m Bobby Johnson I want to see him play next to a decent vet LG in my scheme before making any determinations about changing his position. Edited April 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBlue Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 17 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This what the Patriots did last year. They loaded up with tight ends, fullbacks, and big offensive linemen and literally smashed people with old school power, duo, and counter plays, all the way to the Super bowl. With teams spending so much more time in nickel and getting smaller, quicker linebackers, it makes sense to attack them with some old school smash mouth football. And the playaction attack gets that much better. This year is shaping up to make us true contenders imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Dare I say with all these guys signed, that we are building a bully?? There’s that ‘irrational exuberance’ again...? * However, upon this signing, I for some reason thought back to the first words in the 2015 Star Wars trailer: “There’s been an awakening...have you felt it?” Apparently, it’s my ‘irrational exuberance’. It’s gotta be that 2019 draft hat...? Edited April 3, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013 Plug for the draft hat...even if not ‘made in USA’. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Hope you are correct. He has been a marginal swing tackle most of his career and is 33. Mills was mostly below average, decent in run game, and putrid at time in pass protection. Just not convinced Nsekhe is much better. Still want to see OT drafted on day 2 He hasn’t been marginal though. He has been a borderline dominant player but played behind 2 early picks (one of whom is an All-Pro). Nsekhe is our best OT now. He’s just old. He’s probably a 2-3 year solution. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I'm gonna buck the inevitable trend and say no. It's 2019, lady. We can all tell when something is photoshopped. Looks like her cheeks are made of chrome. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: This player was undrafted, not retained by his original team, and then signed a one year deal. I never heard of him before. We seem to be very exited over this signing and I hope that he winds up in the Pro Bowl. That said, can someone tell me what specifically he excels at. Is he just so good that we should overlook OL help in the draft? Bill, you will love him. He is an outstanding and nasty run blocker who consistently gets to the second level and seals off lanes for his running back. He has very good short area quickness for those counter plays that Daboll loves to run and he is a finisher. Great size, good solid base in pass pro, he has occasionally got a bit grabby but he has allowed very few sacks in his NFL career. Part of that is he has a fantastic feel for when the pocket is about to move or the Quarterback is about to escape and he is excellent at re-directing rushers to create escape lanes. Go and watch some of Mariota's long runs his first two years.... the man who senses the play is breaking down and his QB needs an escape route is Quinton Spain, again and again and again. He is one of the least heralded and most underrated players in the league. He was absolutely my #1 FA target for this team. I am not just very excited I am absolutely delighted the Bills have managed to get him. Given that it is a one year prove it deal it shouldn't preclude us from looking for interior help in the draft but for me that is now a development high ceiling guy rather than a guy you need to be an instant starter. Edited April 3, 2019 by GunnerBill 10 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: The point of acquiring good players is to create competition in training camp. Sometimes that means cutting a player that could make another team's roster. That's acceptable if you're not getting stuck with piles of dead cap money and you end up with your 5 or 6 best receivers. Completely disagree!! The point of acquiring good players is to have them make the final roster and play in meaningful games starting in September. Yes that's fine if every position on your roster is flush with talent, but if there's some positions like say LB ,safety, or even punter where you can bring in a rookie and there's a pretty high chance they make the roster, that's better than having 12 guys completing for 9 O-line slots or 5 to 6 WR slots and cutting the rest. In nothing else, you wasted the signing bonus I'm guessing at least one of these lineman they've just signed will be cut or maybe Teller, but he's on a cheap rookie contract so more incentive to keep him than a higher priced backup unless much, much better in talent. If it's a 5th or 6th round pick can likely hide that guy on the practice squad. Or you hope maybe the higher draft pick that is at a position with depth, you hope he gets a hang nail so can hide him on IR for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dr. Who Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: He was my #1 FA target for the Bills. We got three of the 4 guys I wanted - Spain, Kroft and Morse...... great job Beano. Does this mean Oliver is our target? You and Beane are both on a roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Arg - one of my peeves on this board - when there's a significant change in status (something going from weeks of speculation to actually happening) can't a new thread be opened instead of leaving pages of stale old/obsolete posts live on in perpetuity. Hate going backwards for pages trying to find when the new event started. I feel better now - back to your scheduled program. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: He hasn’t been marginal though. He has been a borderline dominant player but played behind 2 early picks (one of whom is an All-Pro). Nsekhe is our best OT now. He’s just old. He’s probably a 2-3 year solution. I will trust you Kirby as your info is usually spot on. I see a guy who has 16 starts in four years and will take a wait and see approach if he can be an answer at RT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Not sure having the most FA signings is a good thing?? But considering the holes we had last year, can't hurt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 We've gone from bad OL ---> could be real solid OL. Great to have a GM that does his job well. Now it's up to the Coaches. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Going to be a major battle for that RG spot but I think the winner will be a huge upgrade over Miller. And I have no idea what they're going to do at the OT spots seeing as how both Dawkins and Nsekhe seem and/or say that they are better at LT than RT. Now...where can I go to bet big on the over for wins this season? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Completely disagree!! The point of acquiring good players is to have them make the final roster and play in meaningful games starting in September. Yes that's fine if every position on your roster is flush with talent, but if there's some positions like say LB ,safety, or even punter where you can bring in a rookie and there's a pretty high chance they make the roster, that's better than having 12 guys completing for 9 O-line slots or 5 to 6 WR slots and cutting the rest. In nothing else, you wasted the signing bonus I'm guessing at least one of these lineman they've just signed will be cut or maybe Teller, but he's on a cheap rookie contract so more incentive to keep him than a higher priced backup unless much, much better in talent. If it's a 5th or 6th round pick can likely hide that guy on the practice squad. Or you hope maybe the higher draft pick that is at a position with depth, you hope he gets a hang nail so can hide him on IR for a year. I get the feeling Teller is destined for the PS. He wasnt any better than Ducasse or Miller. Hope Im wrong and he develops nicely. Because he would be a nice cheap backup at a minimum. Feliciano is probably the one most likely to not make the roster of the FA signings unless he can back up at C. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I know this will be a big shocker coming from a relentless optimist, but...I love this signing! Of all the o-line signings this offseason, Spain is only the second guy (Morse being the first) that I view as a surefire starter. In my opinion, the Bills had only one surefire starter (Dawkins) along the o-line when the offseason started. Now they have 3/5. I have confidence that the one of the many guard candidates will capably fill the other OG spot. The biggest remaining concern is RT, where Nsekhe can and maybe WILL start for a year, but isn't the long term answer. Still, seeing two high quality starters (whose strength happens to be pass blocking, by the way) added, as well as a bunch of depth and competition, has been awesome. Outstanding job by Beane making major OL upgrades without breaking the bank or hamstringing the freshly resuscitated salary cap situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Ethan in Portland said: I get the feeling Teller is destined for the PS. He wasnt any better than Ducasse or Miller. Hope Im wrong and he develops nicely. Because he would be a nice cheap backup at a minimum. Feliciano is probably the one most likely to not make the roster of the FA signings unless he can back up at C. Teller's got a tough row to hoe with all the FA's they signed. I think all the FA's they signed (including Long) stick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: Going to be a major battle for that RG spot but I think the winner will be a huge upgrade over Miller. And I have no idea what they're going to do at the OT spots seeing as how both Dawkins and Nsekhe seem and/or say that they are better at LT than RT. Now...where can I go to bet big on the over for wins this season? I thought the same thing! Better place that bet soon. The closer we get to opening day, that win total is gonna go up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 39 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: This what the Patriots did last year. They loaded up with tight ends, fullbacks, and big offensive linemen and literally smashed people with old school power, duo, and counter plays, all the way to the Super bowl. With teams spending so much more time in nickel and getting smaller, quicker linebackers, it makes sense to attack them with some old school smash mouth football. And the playaction attack gets that much better. Win in the trenches 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I get the feeling Teller is destined for the PS. He wasnt any better than Ducasse or Miller. Hope Im wrong and he develops nicely. Because he would be a nice cheap backup at a minimum. Feliciano is probably the one most likely to not make the roster of the FA signings unless he can back up at C. Does he still have eligibility left based on how many games he played last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufridr101 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I really think the bills can lead the league in rushing next year. Allen can chip in with 800 yards 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I will trust you Kirby as your info is usually spot on. I see a guy who has 16 starts in four years and will take a wait and see approach if he can be an answer at RT. There's some good video of when the Skins played the Texans last year and Nsekhe dominated Clowney. He's good. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Not sure having the most FA signings is a good thing?? But considering the holes we had last year, can't hurt. This is going to kill their comp pick formula! What are these guys thinking! 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Rhode Island Red said: To me this signing adds a little fuel to the “trade up for a (defensive) stud” fire.... See this is what im wondering. We have added so much depth talented players are going to get cut all over the place. How many draft picks are we going to walk away with after the draft? Im hoping we move a ton and move up for some quality players vs depth. So exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Love this signing. He's only 27 and nasty. The OL is no longer a joke. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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