Report: Bills were 'furious' about Jets' 2018 trade-up for Sam Darnold

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

I'm sure the Bills were more than happy with the way it eventually turned out.

 

I believe both QBs will do well in the AFC-East but I prefer Allen's leadership and scrambling ability.

 

I am not impressed with the Jets coaching staff..

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Rosen wasn't on their board. Nor was Mayfield. The Bills were all in on Allen or Darnold and if they didn't come away with one of them they'd have taken Mason Rudolph later. 

a curiosity   - How do you know?  

An educated guess or did someone in the Bills post the draft board? 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

It may just be my opinion from paying close attention but I think they wanted Darnold or Allen and not mayfield or Rosen. I don’t think they ever thought they had a chance at Darnold based on where they were drafting and he was long rumored to he going #1. They were rumored to have tried like hell to get to 2. If you recall they took a somewhat last minute trip out to Cali to meet with Darnild and put him through a workout. I believe this was when they found out the Browns weren’t sold on him at 1 and that he might end up being available. I have no idea who they had ranked higher, it could have been Darnold,  but if they were mad that the Jets got to 3 I think it was because they had 2 guys on their board and they could have both been gone by the time they picked. they tried to get to 2 before the draft and then to 5 on draft day.

 

This is exactly right. 

 

Like I say I was told by a former NFL position coach I know who had spoken to someone in the Bills organisation after the draft. His source only found out our board when he walked into the room on draft night. Beane and McDermott played it very close to their chest the speculation is fewer than half a dozen people knew which way they were going at QB. Their guys were Sam Darnold and Josh Allen. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

It may just be my opinion from paying close attention but I think they wanted Darnold or Allen and not mayfield or Rosen. I don’t think they ever thought they had a chance at Darnold based on where they were drafting and he was long rumored to he going #1. They were rumored to have tried like hell to get to 2. If you recall they took a somewhat last minute trip out to Cali to meet with Darnild and put him through a workout. I believe this was when they found out the Browns weren’t sold on him at 1 and that he might end up being available. I have no idea who they had ranked higher, it could have been Darnold,  but if they were mad that the Jets got to 3 I think it was because they had 2 guys on their board and they could have both been gone by the time they picked. they tried to get to 2 before the draft and then to 5 on draft day.

 

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

Rosen wasn't on their board. Nor was Mayfield. The Bills were all in on Allen or Darnold and if they didn't come away with one of them they'd have taken Mason Rudolph later. 

fair enough. they wanted darnold and were furious with the jets for taking their guy and ended up with their second choice, allen.

 

personally, I'm really glad the jets messed up their plan. I would take allen over darnold any day of the week.

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

a curiosity   - How do you know?  

An educated guess or did someone in the Bills post the draft board? 

 

 

See my post below. It is second hand but it comes from a good source and it wasn't leaked before the draft info (which can sometimes be for tactical reasons) this was info that only came out post draft. 

[Bill_with_it]

There is no way this has any merit. If we wanted him he would be on our team. It’s complete speculative garbage.

 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

The Giants were in a position to rake us over the coals. We were worried our 2-year plan to trade talent and gain capital, including trading out of a chance to take Mahomes or Watson, had fallen apart and we were about to be locked out of a primo QB prospect. NYG could have extorted us.

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

fair enough. they wanted darnold and were furious with the jets for taking their guy and ended up with their second choice, allen.

 

personally, I'm really glad the jets messed up their plan. I would take allen over darnold any day of the week.

Im not sure about all that... I think they were just mad that the Jets were at 3. They didn’t know who they were taking. There were rumors for weeks that the Jets really wanted mayfield. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Forgive me for forgetting TB in the equation. Was my spelling ok at least? Any opinions on the post or were you just fact checking?

Also the jets traded up to 3 a week before the draft. Both trades by the Bills were draft day trades. 

 

NYJs GM didn't do anything special to "jump" the Bills after the bills moved up. 

[cage]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Need more context for why were the Bills furious. Who on the Buffalo staff was furious? Did the Bills try to trade with the Colts already? I don’t think IF someone was furious it was because they wanted Darnold. I believe the Bills had Darnold and Allen ranked pretty equally, albeit for different reasons. This article doesn’t state, nor should it, that the Bills were furious because they wanted Darnold.

 

As I recall up until 1-2 weeks before the draft (well after this trade), Darnold was assumed to be the #1 pick by the Browns.  So I can't imagine they thought the Jets outmaneuvered them for Darnold.

[Mark92]

I think we can all sit here today and say we were pissed also.  That was the trade the Bills were supposed to make and it really didn't cost much to do it.  It worked out for both teams in the end so now it's a moot point.  Both teams and fan bases are happy with the picks.  

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

I doubt the Bills were furious....they had to know Darnold was going in 1st 5 picks

The above makes complete sense to me.

 

Before that draft Darnold would have been my top pick, and it wasn't that close. The order of my favorites for the Bills was:

Darnold

Allen

Mayfield

Rosen

 

Now, one year later; the jury is still out on who will be the best but I am perfectly happy with Allen. I'm sorry but how could one not be happy about his arm? Imo his arm strength compares to that of Bledsoe in many ways. The kid can run as a weapon and to get out of trouble to boot. In short, his ceiling is sky high.

 

Can I guarantee that he will be better than Darnold? No I cannot but we have needed a kid with his talent for quite some time and now we have him. The front office owes it to him and the fans to get out there and draft him some more protection.

 

Damn, now I'm getting all riled up.

 

GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[HOUSE]

I was furious when Starbucks switched to Colombian Beans

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

I think we can all sit here today and say we were pissed also.  That was the trade the Bills were supposed to make and it really didn't cost much to do it.  It worked out for both teams in the end so now it's a moot point.  Both teams and fan bases are happy with the picks.  

It didn’t “cost much” for the Jets because they were at 6 and only had to move up 3 spots, giving the Colts a pick still in the top 10 which is what they said they needed. What do you think it would have cost the Bills to move up from 12? A LOT more. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Let me put it this way. I would NOT trade Allen for Darnold.....noooooo

too early for me to say.  they both have a distinct set of strengths and weaknesses.   I would venture a guess that most Jets fans would say “hell no” to trading Darnold straight-up for Allen, too!!!

[Jobot]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Need more context for why were the Bills furious. Who on the Buffalo staff was furious? Did the Bills try to trade with the Colts already? I don’t think IF someone was furious it was because they wanted Darnold. I believe the Bills had Darnold and Allen ranked pretty equally, albeit for different reasons. This article doesn’t state, nor should it, that the Bills were furious because they wanted Darnold.

 

Seriously.  Did they want Darnold, or were they pissed that NY established the draft trade market so expensive?

[LeviF]

2 hours ago, Jeetz1231 said:

Yeah, the more I thought about it the more I thought about deleting it but I had already put in so much work! 

 

I'm also curious as to why you don't think Andrew Luck factors in that equation.

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It didn’t “cost much” for the Jets because they were at 6 and only had to move up 3 spots, giving the Colts a pick still in the top 10 which is what they said they needed. What do you think it would have cost the Bills to move up from 12? A LOT more. 

There was NO way the Colts were trading down to 12. None. It's just stupid for anyone to suggest that's the trade the Bills "were supposed to make." 

[MrEpsYtown]

15 minutes ago, Mark92 said:

I think we can all sit here today and say we were pissed also.  That was the trade the Bills were supposed to make and it really didn't cost much to do it.  It worked out for both teams in the end so now it's a moot point.  Both teams and fan bases are happy with the picks.  

 

Moving up a few spots for the Jets was a massive overpay. I'm sure they don't regret it, as they got their guy, but their roster still sucks and they have less ammunition to help out their quarterback. But I agree, both teams and fan bases are happy with their picks. But we have ten picks this year and they have 6, and no second rounder. After picking #3, they don't have another pick until the third. They have a second third rounder for Teddy Bridgewater, but that's closer to a 4th rounder. So the move was kind of short sighted and they basically paid double. 

[Doc]

35 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

fair enough. they wanted darnold and were furious with the jets for taking their guy and ended up with their second choice, allen.

 

personally, I'm really glad the jets messed up their plan. I would take allen over darnold any day of the week.

 

No, the Bills wanted Allen all along. 

[billsbackto81]

 

14 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Also the jets traded up to 3 a week before the draft. Both trades by the Bills were draft day trades. 

 

NYJs GM didn't do anything special to "jump" the Bills after the bills moved up. 

Both teams were drafting what they believed to be their future franchise QB. Regardless of when the trades were made the Jets ensured themselves of getting one of the two they valued most. Maybe the move wasn't "special" but it was definitely proactive. 

 

Acquiring a first rounder from KC.

The trade up with Cincinnati for Glenn.

All this was done to get their QB of choice in 2018. Everyone knew this, including the Jets. They made the deal the Bills wouldn't. Beane kept his capital and acquired some nice talent but if he coveted Mayfield or Darnold that ship had sailed.

[Mark92]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It didn’t “cost much” for the Jets because they were at 6 and only had to move up 3 spots, giving the Colts a pick still in the top 10 which is what they said they needed. What do you think it would have cost the Bills to move up from 12? A LOT more. 

Totally!  It would have cost a lot to move up and in the end the Bills gut the guy they say they wanted and held on to most of their draft capital. I was saying it didn't cost the Jets much to do it.  Moving from 6 to 3 I believe it was three 2nds.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Just now, Doc said:

No, the Bills wanted Allen all along. 

I always felt that but I guess we'll never really know with so many conflicting reports/opinions.

 

we have allen, all that matters to me.

[billsbackto81]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

No, the Bills wanted Allen all along. 

No offense,  but how would you know this?

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, Jobot said:

 

Seriously.  Did they want Darnold, or were they pissed that NY established the draft trade market so expensive?

 

Truth is the Bills were going to select a QB #1. Would have been Allen, Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield.

 

As it turned out, The Football gods were shining on Buffalo.  I am not a Mayfield fan at all. Mark my words, He will take a beating this year.

 

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by HOUSE

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Maybe the Bills should bring back Doug Whaley to give McDermott and Beane lessons in ‘Poker Face 101’?

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EDIT:  AND ONLY THAT!

Edited March 19, 2019 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[Steptide]

Didn't McDermott and beane say many times after the draft that they got the qb they wanted all along? Maybe they're full of it, but I tend to believe them. 

[billsfan5121]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Didn't McDermott and beane say many times after the draft that they got the qb they wanted all along? Maybe they're full of it, but I tend to believe them. 

That could probably still be true.  Maybe they were upset because they thought the Jets could take Allen?  I’d have to assume if they were that much more in love with Darnold than Allen, they could’ve made the move to 2 to ensure they got him.  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Didn't McDermott and beane say many times after the draft that they got the qb they wanted all along? Maybe they're full of it, but I tend to believe them. 

Maybe they were just Joshing?

[hemma]

They may have thought 6 + 37 + 49 + this year's 2nd ---> was way too much and would needlessly jack up what they'd need to do to get Allen.

[billsbackto81]

53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The facts are important. The point being at the stage the Jets made the trade they didn't need to leapfrog the Bills. Indeed they wouldn't have needed to even if the Bills had got #7 from Cincy - because the Jets were at #6. I don't know what the Jets board looked like I don't know whether the trade was necessary to acquire their guy or one of their guys.... it was, to my mind at least, a defensive trade up. The Giants had already pretty much ruled out trading back unless the bounty was huge because they wanted Saquon. So #3 was the landing spot that secured them ahead of the Bills. As to whether it was necessary I don't know. 

Thats true Gunner but the Bills were already rumored to jump the Jets via a Colts trade up. I'm just saying from a GM perspective the Jets didn't leave their QB hopes to chance and felt that deserved a little kudos. 

[FeelingOnYouboty]

I kinda believe Beane and McDermott when they said Josh Allen was their guy all along

[Doc]

58 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

I always felt that but I guess we'll never really know with so many conflicting reports/opinions.

 

we have allen, all that matters to me.

 

58 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

No offense,  but how would you know this?

 

Benjamin Allbright was saying the Bills wanted Allen well before the draft last year.  I pooh-poohed it and thought there was no way they wanted Allen, but that's who they got.  And he's still saying it.  I have heard no one else saying the Bills wanted Darnold all along, just people speculating.

Edited March 19, 2019 by Doc

[papazoid]

furious ?

 

didn't look that way and honestly not a reaction I would expect

 

after watching those interviews......beane should play in the world poker tour

[YoloinOhio]

21 minutes ago, billsfan5121 said:

That could probably still be true.  Maybe they were upset because they thought the Jets could take Allen?  I’d have to assume if they were that much more in love with Darnold than Allen, they could’ve made the move to 2 to ensure they got him.  

It was reported that they tried repeatedly to get to 2 and NYG would not deal the pick. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

3 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Need more context for why were the Bills furious. Who on the Buffalo staff was furious? Did the Bills try to trade with the Colts already? I don’t think IF someone was furious it was because they wanted Darnold. I believe the Bills had Darnold and Allen ranked pretty equally, albeit for different reasons. This article doesn’t state, nor should it, that the Bills were furious because they wanted Darnold.

 

3 hours ago, njbuff said:

This might be the dumbest thing ever.

 

I think the Bills knew that the Jets wanted to trade up and the Bills were mad because of it?

 

Yeah ok. I don't buy it for one second.

 

 

Yeah, or the word "furious" is...is just kind of dumb in this context.

 

Unless the Bills had a deal for the Colts pick and then were screwed out of it (which also is unlikely) I don't see how you can be furious at another team making a move that team needed to make and you didn't.

[napmaster]

That article title is wrong, and this thread title is wrong, and it's misleading.  It gives the impression that the Bills wanted Sam Darnold, for which their is no proof.

 

The Jets did not trade up for Sam Darnold.  They traded up to be in a position to pick one of the top 3 QBs on their board.  The Giants very easily could have taken Darnold.  The Jets would have needed to trade to #1 to claim they traded for Darnold.

[Papa g]

Who cares we got the better.QB.

[John from Riverside]

Worked out for us

[eball]

Weird article.  Bottom line -- we'll never really know (until perhaps many years from now) if the Bills really wanted Darnold over Allen.  I think they're pretty happy with where things are now, however.