Tipster19 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/18/odell-beckham-trade-browns-nfl-free-agency-fmia-peter-king/ This time I’ll let the article do the talking. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 So Beane didn’t bite? Was there more? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: So Beane didn’t bite? Was there more? Yes, the free agency fool's gold. To all people who want to expend in a crazy way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) Cleveland is still Cleveland Edited March 18, 2019 by HOUSE 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, poblano said: Yes, the free agency fool's gold. To all people who want to expend in a crazy way Like the Browns? The media loves them though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Man Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Great article? Not really. What does it say of note? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) I read all that to see that the Bills didn't bite.......Quite the tip....Tipster19 Edited March 18, 2019 by fansince88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, fansince88 said: I read all that to see that the Bills didn't bite.......Quite the tip....Tipster19 Sometimes the unwritten words is what makes an article/book the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Good read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Like the Browns? The media loves them though.. Yes because they have a franchise quarterback and elite weapons. Why would anyone not love them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Tipster19 said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/18/odell-beckham-trade-browns-nfl-free-agency-fmia-peter-king/ This time I’ll let the article do the talking. Thanks for the link - a good article. If true that the Giants contacted Beane first, I am glad he passed. Makes me wonder more and more about Gettleman - and feel more and more confident about Beane. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 hours ago, HOUSE said: Cleveland is Cleveland and Buffalo is Buffalo....Browns now have Beckham, Landry, Chubb, Mayfield and Njoku....that looks like a good offense and their D was good last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, nucci said: and Buffalo is Buffalo....Browns now have Beckham, Landry, Chubb, Mayfield and Njoku....that looks like a good offense and their D was good last year. Maybe... Maybe not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 That comment and article about Bradley way down at the bottom was fascinating. King is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Tipster19 said: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/18/odell-beckham-trade-browns-nfl-free-agency-fmia-peter-king/ This time I’ll let the article do the talking. Thanks for the link Tipster19. Haven’t read King in quite a while. It’s a very good article. If the deal was contingent on the Jints getting Jabrill Peppers, I wonder who did Gettleman have in mind to get from The Bills? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Mountain Man said: Great article? Not really. What does it say of note? just get to the part that says History Says Free Agency Is Often Fool’s Gold As to Beane ..... there is nothing there at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Good read. Thanks for sharing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 That was a really good Peter King piece even aside from the OBJ - Buffalo nugget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Like the Browns? The media loves them though.. They also loved the Redskins when they loaded up on past-their-prime superstars. Ooooh, shiny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Didn't know that the Giants reached out to Beane. That alone made it a good article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Buffalo Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 It's a good read, I wondered what the details behind the scenes were. I wanted OBJ, but at the asking price, I am glad Beane didn't bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racketmaster Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, nucci said: and Buffalo is Buffalo....Browns now have Beckham, Landry, Chubb, Mayfield and Njoku....that looks like a good offense and their D was good last year. Just because the trade might work for Cleveland does not mean it would have worked for Buffalo. Seriously, how happy would OBJ have been had he been dealt to Buffalo? Most diva wrs want nothing to do with Buffalo at this point in time. It is completely true that Cleveland and Buffalo are not that different in terms of desirable markets, but their team and organizational structure is much different. Cleveland has Jarvis Landry (OBJ's close friend and college teammate). He is the leader of the wrs in Cleveland and can help keep OBJ in check. Mayfield has worked out with OBJ and is a very strong personality, himself. Mayfield is an up and coming rock star and he won't be overshadowed by OBJ in Cleveland. Cleveland also has OBJ's college wrs coach so having Landry and the same college position coach in Cleveland is like having an LSU reunion of sorts. In addition, Cleveland has decided it is ready this year to push their chips into the center of the table. They have acquired a bunch of talent from previous drafts, trades and free agency. They believe they can win their division and be a contender in the AFC. And they might be right if all the parts come together. In Buffalo, OBJ would not have had his close friend and college coach. Allen is a leader but he does not have the cache that Mayfield has right now. Mayfield has more "street cred" at this point and it is more likely that OBJ would view Mayfield as the leader and top dog on offense. In Buffalo, OBJ likely would have viewed himself as the "top dog" and feel more empowered. The situation could have easily become a negative one for Allen. Plus, Buffalo is an improving team but there is no sense that they are better than the Patriots right now. They are not ready to plant their flag for the 2019 season. Again, the situation may work for a while in Cleveland before exploding down the road. With all the personalities there, it probably is only a matter of time as that is what generally happens with that many egos. Cleveland is banking on winning big before it does explode and I don't disagree with that thinking. Again, OBJ in Cleveland seems to "fit" while he would be a very "odd fit" in Buffalo. Edited March 18, 2019 by racketmaster 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 So basically, the Giants didn't want to pay Collins, a MUCH better player than Peppers, who wanted to stay with the team. So in order to make up for that they had to get Peppers back, essentially making that a wash, a less talented player for a lot less money. Getting the 3rd back was just making up for a 3rd they wasted. So they traded their best player (or second best if you want to argue Barkley) for the 17th pick in the draft but are doubling down on a 38 year old QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, nucci said: and Buffalo is Buffalo....Browns now have Beckham, Landry, Chubb, Mayfield and Njoku....that looks like a good offense and their D was good last year. They were? 25th against the pass 28th against the run 21st in scoring against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, nucci said: and Buffalo is Buffalo....Browns now have Beckham, Landry, Chubb, Mayfield and Njoku....that looks like a good offense and their D was good last year. They weren’t good. They were bottom 5 in most defensive catergories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I'm glad we didn't trade for ab or obj. IMO we are on the right path to being a playoff team for years to come. We don't need "me 1st" wrs on this team. 1/11 players only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: Maybe... Maybe not. so, it could go either way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Interesting point in that article is the Ravens completely bid against themselves for Earl Thomas. He was set to sign a 1 year deal and the Ravens come in and give him 4/55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: They weren’t good. They were bottom 5 in most defensive catergories. Yep, I'm wrong about defense...not sure what I was thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I enjoy reading King’s Monday morning articles, they’re always well written and informative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, nucci said: Yep, I'm wrong about defense...not sure what I was thinking. I could see it. They have a lot of talent on that side, but Williams imo is not a good defensive minded coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Dopey said: I'm glad we didn't trade for ab or obj. IMO we are on the right path to being a playoff team for years to come. We don't need "me 1st" wrs on this team. 1/11 players only. Yeah, who needs HOF receivers when you just signed guys who averaged 600 yards/ season! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 48 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: I enjoy reading King’s Monday morning articles, they’re always well written and informative. LOL I spit my coffee out Many a time I have found King’s articles chock full of spelling and grammatical errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 1 hour ago, racketmaster said: Just because the trade might work for Cleveland does not mean it would have worked for Buffalo. Seriously, how happy would OBJ have been had he been dealt to Buffalo? Most diva wrs want nothing to do with Buffalo at this point in time. It is completely true that Cleveland and Buffalo are not that different in terms of desirable markets, but their team and organizational structure is much different. Cleveland has Jarvis Landry (OBJ's close friend and college teammate). He is the leader of the wrs in Cleveland and can help keep OBJ in check. Mayfield has worked out with OBJ and is a very strong personality, himself. Mayfield is an up and coming rock star and he won't be overshadowed by OBJ in Cleveland. Cleveland also has OBJ's college wrs coach so having Landry and the same college position coach in Cleveland is like having an LSU reunion of sorts. In addition, Cleveland has decided it is ready this year to push their chips into the center of the table. They have acquired a bunch of talent from previous drafts, trades and free agency. They believe they can win their division and be a contender in the AFC. And they might be right if all the parts come together. In Buffalo, OBJ would not have had his close friend and college coach. Allen is a leader but he does not have the cache that Mayfield has right now. Mayfield has more "street cred" at this point and it is more likely that OBJ would view Mayfield as the leader and top dog on offense. In Buffalo, OBJ likely would have viewed himself as the "top dog" and feel more empowered. The situation could have easily become a negative one for Allen. Plus, Buffalo is an improving team but there is no sense that they are better than the Patriots right now. They are not ready to plant their flag for the 2019 season. Again, the situation may work for a while in Cleveland before exploding down the road. With all the personalities there, it probably is only a matter of time as that is what generally happens with that many egos. Cleveland is banking on winning big before it does explode and I don't disagree with that thinking. Again, OBJ in Cleveland seems to "fit" while he would be a very "odd fit" in Buffalo. Enough with the narratives that certain types of players or players in general don't want to come here. It's been proven to be utter bullsh*t. Money talks and bullsh*t walks. If you did any research you would see that most of the people that sign here end up love being here, and the narrative that you refer to does not exist among any current players. I for one am sick of here about how players don't want to come here, 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: So basically, the Giants didn't want to pay Collins, a MUCH better player than Peppers, who wanted to stay with the team. So in order to make up for that they had to get Peppers back, essentially making that a wash, a less talented player for a lot less money. Getting the 3rd back was just making up for a 3rd they wasted. So they traded their best player (or second best if you want to argue Barkley) for the 17th pick in the draft but are doubling down on a 38 year old QB. If I was a betting man, I am thinking they are going to do a package deal with the 49ers. The Giants have picks 6,12 and 17. I thing they use those 3 or 6, and 12 along with a 2nd to move up to the second spot. Just my opinion or how i see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, who needs HOF receivers when you just signed guys who averaged 600 yards/ season! Don't get why people wouldn't want Beckham on this team...they must not be old enough to remember Kelly, Thurman, Bruce....I hate the term diva but those Bills teams always had drama but were all business on the field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LOL I spit my coffee out Many a time I have found King’s articles chock full of spelling and grammatical errors I meant well written in terms of readability, it’s like he’s having a conversation with the reader. It’s 2019, grammar and spelling are as dead as chivalry. Edited March 18, 2019 by Buddy Hix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yeah, who needs HOF receivers when you just signed guys who averaged 600 yards/ season! At the end of the day, you want players that make your offense, as a whole, better. OBJ was stellar, no doubt. But the Giants offense, as a whole, was never that good with him. Part of that is when you have a diva WR1, you have to feed him the ball constantly. The Giants did that, and it ended up really hurting them. OBJ may have made our offense better, but at his salary cap hit and the assets we would have given up for him, it is not a given that it would have made the Bills that much better. Edited March 18, 2019 by JoshAllenHasBigHands 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: I meant well written in terms of readability, it’s like he’s having a conversation with the reader. It’s 2019, grammar and spelling are as dead as chivalry. Maybe I'm old, but I think that's just sad. Pretty soon it'll be... "meh, it's 2025, who cares about precision engineering, just throw some steel and concrete together, that bridge will hold up". ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: At the end of the day, you want players that make your offense, as a whole, better. OBJ was stellar, no doubt. But the Giants offense, as a whole, was never that good with him. Part of that is when you have diva WR1, you have to feed him the ball constantly. The Giants did that, and it ended up really hurting them. OBJ may have made our offense better, but at his salary cap hit and the assets we would have given up for him, it is not a given that it would have made the Bills that much better. this team is built on team players. No divas or me players seen anywhere. Why would you bring in Antonio Brown or OBJ both sound like disruptive cogs to this team... We both dodged a bullet and saw our GM not bite on any of this stupidity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 hours ago, nucci said: and Buffalo is Buffalo....Browns now have Beckham, Landry, Chubb, Mayfield and Njoku....that looks like a good offense and their D was good last year. Yeah, but can they play together as a team? I anticipate it's not long before the "I don't get enough touches" complaints start emerging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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