Bills have interest in Seattle DE Frank Clark

[Fan in Chicago]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

Are the Seahawks just going to give us Frank Clark for free?  You’re talking about a historically bad offensive football team using all of its premium picks on defense.  Yes, it’s great that Beane shored up the o-line, but as of right now, we have zero offensive playmakers—not a single guy that opposing defenses fear.

The Bills defense was not very good last year. We need help on the DL and this draft has some very good prospects. In addition to getting several OLinemen, Beane also added WR talent which makes that group much stronger than in the past 3-4 years. We are lacking at the TE department but we should go BPA wherever we pick. 

 

You are throwing stones at others' recommendations but not making a suggestion of your own. You do realize that if you come out and recommend we draft Metcalf/Hockensen, you will open yourself to a reverse question of how to shore up a relatively wek DL. So, what ya got ?

 

[TOboy]

8 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

The Bills defense was not very good last year. We need help on the DL and this draft has some very good prospects. In addition to getting several OLinemen, Beane also added WR talent which makes that group much stronger than in the past 3-4 years. We are lacking at the TE department but we should go BPA wherever we pick. 

 

You are throwing stones at others' recommendations but not making a suggestion of your own. You do realize that if you come out and recommend we draft Metcalf/Hockensen, you will open yourself to a reverse question of how to shore up a relatively wek DL. So, what ya got ?

 

 

Ummm...my preference is Ed Oliver at 9 (or Q Williams if he's somehow available), but I take issue with the bolded. The Bills defense was very good last year. Elite against the pass, and solid against the run. Not sure how you think they were not very good? 

 

With Kyle retiring, it would be nice to get a 3 technique who can rush the passer. I think that would help this defense, and potentially make them one of the best in the league. 

[mannc]

11 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

The Bills defense was not very good last year. We need help on the DL and this draft has some very good prospects. In addition to getting several OLinemen, Beane also added WR talent which makes that group much stronger than in the past 3-4 years. We are lacking at the TE department but we should go BPA wherever we pick. 

 

You are throwing stones at others' recommendations but not making a suggestion of your own. You do realize that if you come out and recommend we draft Metcalf/Hockensen, you will open yourself to a reverse question of how to shore up a relatively wek DL. So, what ya got ?

 

First, I disagree that our defense was "not very good last year."  They weren't dominant, but they were overall a very good unit that got worn down and had to compensate for a historically bad offense for most of the year.  

 

I'm actually OK with Beane using our first round pick on whoever he thinks is the best DL available there.  What I'm not OK with is burning our first two picks (plus probably another premium pick this year or next) on defense when we are completely devoid of offensive playmakers.   Go ahead and pick a DL at 9, but I want to see the next two picks used on WR, TE and/or RB.

Edited April 15, 2019 by mannc

[Fan in Chicago]

17 minutes ago, TOboy said:

 

Ummm...my preference is Ed Oliver at 9 (or Q Williams if he's somehow available), but I take issue with the bolded. The Bills defense was very good last year. Elite against the pass, and solid against the run. Not sure how you think they were not very good? 

 

With Kyle retiring, it would be nice to get a 3 technique who can rush the passer. I think that would help this defense, and potentially make them one of the best in the league. 

 

17 minutes ago, mannc said:

First, I disagree that our defense was "not very good last year."  They weren't dominant, but they were overall a very good unit that got worn down and had to compensate for a historically bad offense for most of the year.  

 

 

 

Okay I will concede that "not very good" may have been too strong. But while they got better down the stretch, I still dont think they had the horsepower to hold the strong offenses. Plus, KyleW retired and Harrison Phillips is still an unknown. 

 

Given both sides of the argument, I still maintain that BPA is the way to go. We will have our choice of difference maker whether it is on D or O. If there is a pick valued equally, I would go D as they bust potential is lower. 

[Rufridr101]

The Seahawks only have 4 picks in this draft.  They are looking to add 4 picks this is what the general manager has said.  I could see us giving a 3rd 4th 5th rounders this year and a 4th next year. Or maybe swap Hughes and Clark plus a 4th and 5th rounders. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, bilzfancy said:

Wouldn't surprise me if the Bills and Seahawks do a deal, switch 1st rd picks +, and 5 yrs about 100 mil or thereabouts should get it done

Maybe the Seahawks would want to make this deal. It will allow them to draft their QB, once they decline Dangeruss offer. My questions would be if the Bills would want to do this and how would Jerry Hughes feel?

[MJS]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

How do we fulfill @MJS dream of Oliver and Clark?     Trade the 2nd for Clark? 

Eh, I don't actually care much. I was just making the point that trading for Clark does not mean Beane won't still draft a defensive lineman.

 

I'm down for whatever the Bills end up doing. I don't watch college ball, so I don't know about these players other than how they perform at the combine and how they are projected by others. I watch some highlight videos too.

[billsbackto81]

We resigned Phillips, we got Hughes and Star and Murphy and Lawson and Yarborough and Harold and H. Phillips. 

We're talking about drafting Oliver or Wilkins or Gary. On top of that we're trading for Clark. 

Just wondering? Is anybody concerned we've done nothing as far as our LB corps is concerned?

[Rocket94]

Devin White and Zach Allen.

[Victory Formation]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Well, it’s not going to happen by magic.

I believe in magic.

[Alphadawg7]

Is there any actual buzz to this Clark trade yet or is this thread just people dreaming?  Serious question.  I’d love Clark personally.  

 

I accidentally “followed” it so got all these emails about new comments lol.  Came in thinking I’d at least see a recent link to Clark and Bills rumors and seems it’s just more what do scenarios.  

 

So curious, is there anything linking this up yet that’s recent?  Last week when I asked it was a no.  

[GimmeSomeProcess]

8 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

We resigned Phillips, we got Hughes and Star and Murphy and Lawson and Yarborough and Harold and H. Phillips. 

We're talking about drafting Oliver or Wilkins or Gary. On top of that we're trading for Clark. 

Just wondering? Is anybody concerned we've done nothing as far as our LB corps is concerned?

No, nickel defense is the base defense and Milano and Edmunds are perfect for that role. Both highly productive and studs. Sure grab a back up in the 5th otherwise, we’re good. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Is there any actual buzz to this Clark trade yet or is this thread just people dreaming?  Serious question.  I’d love Clark personally.  

 

I accidentally “followed” it so got all these emails about new comments lol.  Came in thinking I’d at least see a recent link to Clark and Bills rumors and seems it’s just more what do scenarios.  

 

So curious, is there anything linking this up yet that’s recent?  Last week when I asked it was a no.  

We'll know if there's smoke soon. Seattle is focused on Russ at the moment.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

We'll know if there's smoke soon. Seattle is focused on Russ at the moment.

 

So nothing then and this recent activity in this thread is mostly based on the hope the Russel Wilson saga gives us an opening?  Just making sure I understood correctly 

Edited April 15, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Mark Vader]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So nothing then and this recent activity in this thread is mostly based on the hope the Russel Wilson saga gives us an opening?  Just making sure I understood correctly 

I know that the issue with Russell Wilson has to be taken care of, but I'm of the belief that if Frank Clark gets traded,it will be during the draft.

Just my opinion.

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

 

Lorax replacement? yes please!

[Jay_Fixit]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Are the Seahawks just going to give us Frank Clark for free?  You’re talking about a historically bad offensive football team using all of its premium picks on defense.  Yes, it’s great that Beane shored up the o-line, but as of right now, we have zero offensive playmakers—not a single guy that opposing defenses fear.

Again, what does what you’re saying have to do with the other guy wanting to draft Oliver and trade for Frank Clark?

 

You think that offensive help can’t be had at other spots in the draft?

 

I mean, your response is as close to abysmal as can be.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

Are the Seahawks just going to give us Frank Clark for free?  You’re talking about a historically bad offensive football team using all of its premium picks on defense.  Yes, it’s great that Beane shored up the o-line, but as of right now, we have zero offensive playmakers—not a single guy that opposing defenses fear.

have they used all the premium picks on defense?  last I heard the draft is still about 10 days away. did you follow FA? seems a majority of those were offensive pick ups?

 

10 picks, one or two you can count on being defensive in the early rounds. hell, they may even go OL with the first pick? I trust beane, not the opinion of someone on the board who is clamoring about what they haven't done and really has no clue, just as I have no clue whether it'll be a heavy defensive draft, offensive or some of both? they may even draft a punter, who knows.

 

 

trust the process

[John from Riverside]

6 hours ago, mannc said:

Do you dream of rooting for an NFL team that scores 5 points per game?

If we can run the ball we will score quite easily.......

 

We literally could not run the ball at all last year....making us one dimensional

 

Relax

[MJS]

1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said:

We resigned Phillips, we got Hughes and Star and Murphy and Lawson and Yarborough and Harold and H. Phillips. 

We're talking about drafting Oliver or Wilkins or Gary. On top of that we're trading for Clark. 

Just wondering? Is anybody concerned we've done nothing as far as our LB corps is concerned?

 

I do think we need more depth, but most of the time we only field two linebackers anyway. We definitely need to find a replacement for Lorenzo eventually.

 

And I believe we will expend some draft picks on linebackers.

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Is there any actual buzz to this Clark trade yet or is this thread just people dreaming?  Serious question.  I’d love Clark personally.  

 

I accidentally “followed” it so got all these emails about new comments lol.  Came in thinking I’d at least see a recent link to Clark and Bills rumors and seems it’s just more what do scenarios.  

 

So curious, is there anything linking this up yet that’s recent?  Last week when I asked it was a no.  

Yes, there was new buzz tweeted by PFT last night that a trade for Clark was brewing. It was the first new post in the thread yesterday.

[Foxx]

30 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Yes, there was new buzz tweeted by PFT last night that a trade for Clark was brewing. It was the first new post in the thread yesterday.

 

[billsredneck1]

6 hours ago, mannc said:

First, I disagree that our defense was "not very good last year."  They weren't dominant, but they were overall a very good unit that got worn down and had to compensate for a historically bad offense for most of the year.  

 

I'm actually OK with Beane using our first round pick on whoever he thinks is the best DL available there.  What I'm not OK with is burning our first two picks (plus probably another premium pick this year or next) on defense when we are completely devoid of offensive playmakers.   Go ahead and pick a DL at 9, but I want to see the next two picks used on WR, TE and/or RB.

i'm just not getting the "devoid of offensive play makers" stuff.  mcoy and gore are gonna give us a top 5 rushing attack.(whilst training a youngster or two.

brown/ beasley/ jones/duke and foster.  not to mention the oline additions.   we have a 2nd yr. qb, not tom brady.   i don't know how long you've been a fan but...

 

for years after years the bills have picked up one side of the team and the other screwed our season. i for one believe these guys are a bit smarter than that. we need to solidify the dline and get some pressure.

 

they need to stagger contracts. i expect playoffs this year but realistically believe next year will be the year where we go all in on a couple of superstars. trust the process foo!

[LSHMEAB]

6 hours ago, TOboy said:

 

Ummm...my preference is Ed Oliver at 9 (or Q Williams if he's somehow available), but I take issue with the bolded. The Bills defense was very good last year. Elite against the pass, and solid against the run. Not sure how you think they were not very good? 

 

With Kyle retiring, it would be nice to get a 3 technique who can rush the passer. I think that would help this defense, and potentially make them one of the best in the league. 

The defense was GOOD, but not great. They struggled getting to the QB and lack top end pass rushers. Hughes is a good player, but it's not enough. If they want to become VERY good, they need to get in the QB's mug and create more turnovers. It's really the name of the game in today's NFL. So while they are GOOD, they are aging and not great in terms of talented pass rushers, the most important aspect of a defense IMO.

 

I don't care if the pressure comes from a 3T DT or an edge. Gotta get to the QB! Losing Kyle isn't going to help.

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

No, nickel defense is the base defense and Milano and Edmunds are perfect for that role. Both highly productive and studs. Sure grab a back up in the 5th otherwise, we’re good. 

what happened went Milano went down ... ?
i would like to see a gem found to develop beyond Special teams roles.

would not sleep on that position.
Who is Edmunds Back up ? 

 Milanos ?

 Lorax ?

 

6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

The defense was GOOD, but not great. They struggled getting to the QB and lack top end pass rushers. Hughes is a good player, but it's not enough. If they want to become VERY good, they need to get in the QB's mug and create more turnovers. It's really the name of the game in today's NFL. So while they are GOOD, they are aging and not great in terms of talented pass rushers, the most important aspect of a defense IMO.

 

I don't care if the pressure comes from a 3T DT or an edge. Gotta get to the QB! Losing Kyle isn't going to help.

I think Frazier and McD like pressure up the middle that allows edge guys to do just that. Come off the edge as the qb is still backpedaling quickly.

 If they have the run stuff game figured ? you gotta turn the wick up from the outside rush or stunts to consistently to dominate

[Aussie Joe]

Where are you Frank?

 

Seahawks got no money left for you unfortunately.,

[BuffaloRebound]

Yeah, I’d think Wilson contract extension means Clark is gonna be traded.  

[GimmeSomeProcess]

12 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

what happened went Milano went down ... ?
i would like to see a gem found to develop beyond Special teams roles.

would not sleep on that position.
Who is Edmunds Back up ? 

 Milanos ?

 Lorax ?

 

I think Frazier and McD like pressure up the middle that allows edge guys to do just that. Come off the edge as the qb is still backpedaling quickly.

 If they have the run stuff game figured ? you gotta turn the wick up from the outside rush or stunts to consistently to dominate

As I said, draft a player in the 4th or 5th round. Why would we invest a premium pick on a back up linebacker. 

[Rufridr101]

1 hour ago, GimmeSomeProcess said:

As I said, draft a player in the 4th or 5th round. Why would we invest a premium pick on a back up linebacker. 

He's 6'3 265 will play defensive end 

[eball]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Yeah, I’d think Wilson contract extension means Clark is gonna be traded.  

 

So the question becomes what draft picks do you offer if you're Buffalo (and you're willing to give Clark a new deal)?  Seattle has lost leverage...

 

This almost makes too much sense for it not to happen.  The Bills have Josh's rookie deal for another couple of years so they can absorb a big cap hit for a couple of seasons.

[Rufridr101]

The Russell Wilson contract and only having 4 draft picks makes a trade of Clark the smart move.  Need players on rookie contracts. 

[eball]

Trade for Clark, draft Oliver, then spend every remaining draft pick on offense.

[bilzfancy]

22 minutes ago, eball said:

 

So the question becomes what draft picks do you offer if you're Buffalo (and you're willing to give Clark a new deal)?  Seattle has lost leverage...

 

This almost makes too much sense for it not to happen.  The Bills have Josh's rookie deal for another couple of years so they can absorb a big cap hit for a couple of seasons.

I'd swap 1st rd picks, maybe throw in a 5th rd too, that should be good enough 

[JaCrispy]

2 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

I'd swap 1st rd picks, maybe throw in a 5th rd too, that should be good enough 

Agreed...that sounds about right...

[eball]

28 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

I'd swap 1st rd picks, maybe throw in a 5th rd too, that should be good enough 

 

If I'm Beane I want to keep #9...Oliver at 3-tech is a key piece for this defense.

[JaCrispy]

30 minutes ago, eball said:

 

If I'm Beane I want to keep #9...Oliver at 3-tech is a key piece for this defense.

I hear ya, but I don’t think Oliver lasts to pick 9... and if we trade back with Seattle we can still get Tillary

Edited April 16, 2019 by JaCrispy

[rayray808]

how do we pull off this trade while keeping the 9th pick?

[Alphadawg7]

58 minutes ago, eball said:

 

If I'm Beane I want to keep #9...Oliver at 3-tech is a key piece for this defense.

 

Clark is a premiere DE and 25.  Odds of Oliver (or any rookie) being as good as Clark are low as he is just that good and not easily replicated.  

 

Take the known elite player who is 25 over an unknown rookie who has better than a 50% chance to bust and even worse odds of being as good as Clark.

 

Then draft a DT on the trade down or in the 2nd, guys like Simmons, Tillery, etc.  

 

Swapping first round picks with Seattle would be something I would run to the phone to accept if I was Beane and Seattle offered it. 

[BuffaloRebound]

Seattle doesn’t have all that much leverage.  They still have to pay Bobby Wagner and they are right at the cap after signing Wilson.  Clark can force his way out if he plays hardball.  A 2nd probably gets it done.  Throw in Lawson if you have to.  Clark, Star, Q Williams/Oliver, and Hughes is a hell of a front 4.  For those clamoring for offensive weapons with 1st or 2nd round pick, how likely is it Allen is gonna be able to mesh with Beasley, Brown, and Kroft plus a highly drafted WR or TE in Year 1?

[DCbillsfan]

Beane is just waiting this out.  All of the pressure is on Seattle especially since they re-signed Russell Wilson and have just 4 picks.