Little talked about option for Bills at 9: Brian Burns

[Logic]

1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Aaron Maybin.  Our issues were not on the edge.  We need a 3 Tech DT.  Now if we could get a beast of a DE Id take it.  But I want a Doberman, not a min-pin who soaked himself in water to look bigger.

Scroll up in the thread just a little. We've already had the Aaron Maybin discussion. 

And the Bills' issues weren't on the edge? Really? Buffalo's starting right and left end COMBINED for 11 sacks on the year. The Bills finished 26th in sacks. Lawson and Hughes both have expiring contracts at the end of next season and Hughes is 31.

I agree that we need a 3T,  as well, but that's a separate discussion. To say that the Bills don't have a need at edge rusher is just not correct, in my opinion.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Brian Burns wouldn’t even be in my top five edge rushers in this draft.  I expect a much better player to be available at 9.  I’d prefer Allen, Gary, Sweat and Ferrell (in that order) to Burns, but that’s JMO.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

11 hours ago, 947 said:

Watching Burns in his FSU highlights, he looks way too skinny to play 4-3 DE. I hate to say it, but he is built like Maybin was at Notre Dame- who ironically also played at 230lbs & bulked up to almost 250 for the combine.

 

I know Burns is a much more complete player than Maybin could ever dream of being, but the body comparisons are close.

 

You don’t understand, this kid has that quick first step... 

[NewEra]

I think he’s a tremendous 3-4 olb prospect.  Top 10 type talent.  Not sure if he’ll ever NOT be a liability vs the run playing 4-3 DE.  Can he play SLB?

 

I don’t think he fits with our scheme, but if we can mix things up to utilaizr his strengths, he could be the difference maker our pass rush needs 

[BillsFan1988]

14 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He is easily an option for us at 9 and has been IMO.  There are several guys who could or should be there at 9 I would love taking, so pretty sure I will be thrilled with our pick there no matter what.  I trust Beane not to do a "Whitner" or Oakland Raider type blunder, so its going to be someone like Burns, Oliver, Gary, Metcalf, Allen, Sweat, etc.  Hard to predict who falls to us, but pretty sure we are going to get one helluva prospect at #9.

Trade bk could be in play to if anything the combine opened up more options for trade other then QBs.

 

Hopefully the Pack move up from 12 to 9 and we swap there late first for our 2nd. #29 for #40 . 

 

#13 - Hock, Sweat, Burns maybe even Wilkins who I think the Bills love. 

 

#29- Fant , Risner or Little 

Edited March 5, 2019 by BillsFan1988

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Solid player but there is no way he's the 9th best player in this draft class imo.

[GunnerBill]

I am pretty excited about the idea Ed Oliver falls to us because he wanted to put on a jacket. 

[formerlyofCtown]

11 hours ago, Logic said:

Scroll up in the thread just a little. We've already had the Aaron Maybin discussion. 

And the Bills' issues weren't on the edge? Really? Buffalo's starting right and left end COMBINED for 11 sacks on the year. The Bills finished 26th in sacks. Lawson and Hughes both have expiring contracts at the end of next season and Hughes is 31.

I agree that we need a 3T,  as well, but that's a separate discussion. To say that the Bills don't have a need at edge rusher is just not correct, in my opinion.

Hughes is one of the best Passrushers in the NFL.  Dont be surprised if he gets an extension.

 

Get a penetrating DT and some of those pressures turn into sacks at both DE spots.

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am pretty excited about the idea Ed Oliver falls to us because he wanted to put on a jacket. 

I really would like that pick.  We could actually move him around to exploit weaknesses on the other teams OL.

[TigerJ]

As of right now, I don't think too many pundits would think he's the BPA at #9.  That could change in another 6 weeks.  Of course, the opinions of pundits don't count for that much either.  The only opinion that does is Brandon Beane's.

[Spiderweb]

22 hours ago, BringBackFlutie said:

All I have to say to you is that I KNOW you don't watch enough of Jason Taylor to make a comparison. I effing know it.

Or Maybin like... You choose...

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Tom Donahoe LOVES this kid!!

[TigerJ]

Comparing prospects to former players is an inexact science at best.  They each have their own set of skills, athletic gifts and experience.  The size comparison with Aaron Maybin is interesting, but there is no way to measure how similar he is to Maybin as a player, or to Jason Taylor for that matter.  I don't know whether Burns will succeed or not in the NFL, but it won't be because Maybin busted and Taylor was terrific. 

[elroy16]

 

 

 

That bend makes me feel all tingly inside. 

[YoloinOhio]

All I know after reading this thread is that a lot of you have Aaron Maybin PTSD. I recommend therapy. 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

All I know after reading this thread is that a lot of you have Aaron Maybin PTSD. I recommend therapy. 

Absolutely......thank you for putting a name on my sickness

[Just Joshin']

3 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Comparing prospects to former players is an inexact science at best.  They each have their own set of skills, athletic gifts and experience.  The size comparison with Aaron Maybin is interesting, but there is no way to measure how similar he is to Maybin as a player, or to Jason Taylor for that matter.  I don't know whether Burns will succeed or not in the NFL, but it won't be because Maybin busted and Taylor was terrific. 

I think it is laziness but it is also inexact for the reasons you stated.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

You don't typically see good edge rushers or QB's make it to FA. If you have a top 10 pick and already have your QB a Edge Rusher is pretty much a no brainer if one drops. If just 2 QB's get drafted before our pick things will get very interesting.

[RiotAct]

Beane’s going Offensive Line or Wide Receiver with that 1st.

[BillsSB2020]

I like him as a prospect, but I'm leery of the production. 8.5, 4.5, and 10 sacks for a pass rusher with his build are not impressive. Didn't put up big TFL numbers either.

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Beane’s going Offensive Line or Wide Receiver with that 1st.

 

Why? Because of need? Or because they are the best football players? 

 

Is it a coincidence that you happen to name our two greatest needs, despite the specific talent this draft is supposed to have?

[racketmaster]

I’ve moved away from the idea of Hockenson or Metkalf and Burns seems like a much better option at this point. Bills need an edge rusher in the worst way. It is probably the #1 need following free agency period. 

 

Burns fits the freaky athletic profile that may really interest Beane with the 9th pick. His speed, bend, balance and array of pass rushing moves is impressive. We could still go back and get a wr, tight end or offensive tackle in the 2nd round to add to the offense as there is depth there.  But the defense really needs an upgrade at pass rush and special edge rushers are usually found at the top of the draft. 

[Doc]

They need an interior pass rusher: Oliver.

[TPS]

12 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

I’ve moved away from the idea of Hockenson or Metkalf and Burns seems like a much better option at this point. Bills need an edge rusher in the worst way. It is probably the #1 need following free agency period. 

 

Burns fits the freaky athletic profile that may really interest Beane with the 9th pick. His speed, bend, balance and array of pass rushing moves is impressive. We could still go back and get a wr, tight end or offensive tackle in the 2nd round to add to the offense as there is depth there.  But the defense really needs an upgrade at pass rush and special edge rushers are usually found at the top of the draft. 

After reading the Ledyard analysis that Yolo recently posted on edge defenders, I've been leaning more in this direction too. 

I don't think they will be in a position to draft a top edge rusher in a long time.   

[DuckyBoys]

Not that excited about a 230lb edge with those stats Seems like a high risk pick at #9

[RiotAct]

On 3/5/2019 at 9:43 PM, RiotAct said:

Beane’s going Offensive Line or Wide Receiver with that 1st.

in hindsight, this post did not age well.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

On 3/4/2019 at 12:33 PM, 947 said:

Watching Burns in his FSU highlights, he looks way too skinny to play 4-3 DE. I hate to say it, but he is built like Maybin was at Notre Dame- who ironically also played at 230lbs & bulked up to almost 250 for the combine.

 

I know Burns is a much more complete player than Maybin could ever dream of being, but the body comparisons are close.

 

That's my thought Maybin 2.0. He's too small to be a DE in a 4-3 and would have to have some sick cover skills to be an OLB in our scheme.  As a replacement for Alexander maybe, but at 9 I'd like to get a day 1 impact player and it seems Burns will be a tweener who will need to convert positions. Jason Taylor played at 255+ most of his career

Edited March 22, 2019 by BillsRdue

[NewEraBills]

18 hours ago, Doc said:

They need an interior pass rusher: Oliver.

 

I think Oliver is going off the board faster than people think.

16 hours ago, DuckyBoys said:

Not that excited about a 230lb edge with those stats Seems like a high risk pick at #9

 

Baltimore would be an excellent fit for him.  They need WRs in the worse way though.

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

1 minute ago, NewEraBills said:

 

I think Oliver is going off the board faster than people think.

 

Baltimore would be an excellent fit for him.  They need WRs in the worse way though.

They need WR but Lamar won't use them properly.  That's why Brown is here.

[NewEraBills]

1 minute ago, BillsRdue said:

They need WR but Lamar won't use them properly.  That's why Brown is here.

 

Doesn't matter, they still need a presence at the position.

[Doc]

17 minutes ago, NewEraBills said:

I think Oliver is going off the board faster than people think.

 

It’s that quick first step!

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

On 3/4/2019 at 10:31 PM, Logic said:

Scroll up in the thread just a little. We've already had the Aaron Maybin discussion. 

And the Bills' issues weren't on the edge? Really? Buffalo's starting right and left end COMBINED for 11 sacks on the year. The Bills finished 26th in sacks. Lawson and Hughes both have expiring contracts at the end of next season and Hughes is 31.

I agree that we need a 3T,  as well, but that's a separate discussion. To say that the Bills don't have a need at edge rusher is just not correct, in my opinion.

I agree that we need a DE that can rush the passer with Hughes more than anything. I've watched a few college games of Burns and he appears to be nothing like Maybin. Burns has quite a few pass rush moves but that outside speed rush where he bends and leans into the OT is something that can't be taught. This guy is going to be a nightmare for any OT to block and I think he has ability to drop into coverage. I would have no problem drafting this guy  if he is still there at pick 9. 

[Jay_Fixit]

18 hours ago, Doc said:

They need an interior pass rusher: Oliver.

Sure. But if Burns is the better player then they need Burns.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

20 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I agree that we need a DE that can rush the passer with Hughes more than anything. I've watched a few college games of Burns and he appears to be nothing like Maybin. Burns has quite a few pass rush moves but that outside speed rush where he bends and leans into the OT is something that can't be taught. This guy is going to be a nightmare for any OT to block and I think he has ability to drop into coverage. I would have no problem drafting this guy  if he is still there at pick 9. 

It's easy to tell the guys who have done zero research on Burns. The ones who compare him to Maybin. Burns may be the best pure pass rusher in this class. Speed and flexibility to win outside, counter moves and technique to win across the face. Always has a rush plan. Polished and ready to go

[Coach Tuesday]

1 minute ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

It's easy to tell the guys who have done zero research on Burns. The ones who compare him to Maybin. Burns may be the best pure pass rusher in this class. Speed and flexibility to win outside, counter moves and technique to win across the face. Always has a rush plan. Polished and ready to go

 

True - but you need to assess his frame to make sure he can add weight.  If his body has maxed out it’s gonna be tough for him to be a full-time player.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Sure. But if Burns is the better player then they need Burns.

 

That's arguable.  But a 230# DE doesn't exactly thrill me as we've been down that road before.

[racketmaster]

Brian Burns (BB)/Von Miller (VM)/Aaron Maybin (AM) NFL Combine Numbers:

Height: 6’5” (BB) and 6’3” (VM) and 6’4” (AM)

Weight: 249lbs (BB) and 246lbs (VM) and 249lbs (AM)

Arm Length: 33 7/8 (BB) and 33 ½ (VM) and Not Listed

Vertical: 36 (BB) and 37 (VM) and 38 (AM)

Broad Jump: 129 (BB) and 126 (VM) and 124 (AM)

3 Cone: 7.01 (BB) and 6.70 (VM) and 7.52 (AM)

40 Dash: 4.53 (BB) and 4.53 (VM) and 4.78 (AM)

 

College Sacks:

Brian Burns had 8.5 (2016), 4.5 (2017) and 10 (2018) for 23 total Von Miller had 2 (2007), 3.5 (2008), 17 (2009) and 10.5 for a total of 33, Aaron Maybin had 4 (2007) and 12 (2008) for total of 16. 

From the numbers, Burns appears closer in athleticism to Miller than he does to Maybin. Burns may have added some additional weight, but he was able to maintain elite level athleticism. Plus, Maybin really had 1 year of production at Penn State where as Burns had more productive career over a 3 year span that seems more similar to what Von Miller's career (multiple years with solid sack numbers).

 

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

True - but you need to assess his frame to make sure he can add weight.  If his body has maxed out it’s gonna be tough for him to be a full-time player.

You think? He weighed at 249 at the combine and showed in his workouts he can actually play at that weight, unlike a lot of guys (Oliver, Kyler) who beef up for the weigh-in and then don't work out. Hughes is 255 if I remember correctly?

 

I believe 249 is a 25 lbs. gain since the season so you'd think he could put on a little more at 6'5".

[Mr. WEO]

On ‎3‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 12:33 PM, 947 said:

Watching Burns in his FSU highlights, he looks way too skinny to play 4-3 DE. I hate to say it, but he is built like Maybin was at Notre Dame- who ironically also played at 230lbs & bulked up to almost 250 for the combine.

 

I know Burns is a much more complete player than Maybin could ever dream of being, but the body comparisons are close.

 

 

Dude weighs only 23lb more than Kyler Murray??

 

Maybe he can convert to TE....

[racketmaster]

1 minute ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said:

You think? He weighed at 249 at the combine and showed in his workouts he can actually play at that weight, unlike a lot of guys (Oliver, Kyler) who beef up for the weigh-in and then don't work out. Hughes is 255 if I remember correctly?

 

I believe 249 is a 25 lbs. gain since the season so you'd think he could put on a little more at 6'5".

Exactly, Burns may have added weight for the combine but he still performed athletically at a high level. He matched Von Miller's 40 time and still posted a solid 3 cone score. Look at Maybin (who many detractors want to compare Burns to). Maybin bulked up but then put up a mediocre 40 time and a bad 3 cone score. He was not able to maintain the same speed and athleticism by adding all that weight. Every player is different and Burns seems to have been able to maintain the necessary athleticism while adding the additional weight.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Dude weighs only 23lb more than Kyler Murray??

 

Maybe he can convert to TE....

At the combine Burns was 249, Murray 207 I believe.