New Coaches Hired - QB, WR

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...bingo....A SLAM DUNK BUD...Scam is the first one to throw teammates under the bus and is distracted by his fedora/garb selection for "ME" pressers.....RG II 1/8 was the same "ME", and teammates were always at fault.....Kaep got caught up in success too early on and lost HIS focus with tats 'n poses.......this IS a HIGH paying big boyz game that demands game/ethic focus LONG before any "ME" garbage......Allen has LASER like focus IMO.....

You mean Kaep isnt out of the league because we are all racists.

[jahnyc]

4 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I don’t know enough to have a firm opinion, but this seems to be the opposite of the anti-retread line of thinking. 

 

I understand this kind of a perspective, but experience can be a very positive attribute for coaches.  I also don't think anyone is in favor of hiring a retread that has had limited or no success, but there were a number of assistant coaches and coordinators that were available who would have been good hires.  I also understand that many coaches may not want to come to Buffalo for any number of reasons, including team or area related, so it is not only difficult to assess these hires but also how many potential candidates were interested in coming to Buffalo.

Edited February 3, 2019 by jahnyc

[Augie]

1 minute ago, jahnyc said:

 

I understand this kind of a perspective, but experience can be a very positive attribute for coaches.  I also don't think anyone is in favor of hiring a retread that has had limited or no success, but there are a number of assistant coaches and coordinators that were available who would have been good hires.  I also understand that many of coaches may not want to come to Buffalo for any number of reasons, including team or area related, so it is not only difficult to assess these hires but also how many potential candidates were interested in coming to Buffalo.

 

They will be judged by their results. In the meantime, I think the Rams are fine with their choice at HC. Experience has very real value, as does fresh innovative thinking. Will we get that? I don’t know, but my job isn’t hanging in the balance. Time will tell. 

[stevewin]

7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Chad Hall - 15 career receptions for 144 yards.  Perfect fit for the Bills WR corps

[jahnyc]

33 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

They will be judged by their results. In the meantime, I think the Rams are fine with their choice at HC. Experience has very real value, as does fresh innovative thinking. Will we get that? I don’t know, but my job isn’t hanging in the balance. Time will tell. 

 

Agree with you that time will tell.  I do find it interesting that McD went for younger coaches across the board for his hires (OL, WR, QB coach and ST coordinator).  

[MrEpsYtown]

Couple of side notes on Dorsey.

 

He served as Derek Anderson's backup in Cleveland playing for Romeo Crennel (so he kind of sort of falls in the Belichick tree). 

 

He's a a disciple of Mike Shula, who has had his ups and downs. What stands out to me though is that Shula is an Erhardt-Perkins guy through and through. Hell, Shula played for Ray Perkins at Alabama back in the 80s. The positive here is that Dorsey is going to be on the same page with Daboll and will be speaking the same language. 

 

I also like like the fact that he's worked as a pro scout and in college athletics, as well as IMG academy. He has a ton of experience that makes him pretty well rounded for such a young guy. 

Edited February 3, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[klos63]

8 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

Buffalo Panthers.

 

Hopefully he's a good coach but these guys are continually biased towards their Carolina connections and it's not even a secret..

are they trying to keep these hires secret?

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, justpunt said:

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/player/cameron-newton

 

Nothing about Newton's development suggests Dorsey can develop a  qb.   Newton is average qb and didn't improve under Dorsey. Had an MVP year but not great qbr and also had his worst qbr under Dorsey.  Completion percentage went up after Dorsey left.  Not thrilled.   

 

 

LOL

[folz]

6 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

 

Former Panther and FO:

Mike Tolbert, Kaelin Klay, Kelvin Bumjamin, Star Lotuleilei, Dean Marlowe, Joe Webb, Corey Brown, Leanord Johnson, Sean McDermott, Beane, Heath Farwell, Dan Morgan, Ken Dorsey, Matt Worswick. 

 

I'm sure I've missed some, some are obscure low level staffers, but it's pretty damn clear they play favorites with familiar faces. 

 

So, according to your list, the Bills currently have:

 

2 of their 63 current players who came over from Carolina

3 of 31 coaches/trainers with a Carolina connection (1 of the 3 who didn't even coach in Carolina when McDermott and Beane were there)

and 1 of 27 FO/personnel people from Carolina

 

So, six out of 123 people (or just under 5% of the team's players and staff). That is hardly a pipeline. And even if there are a few more that you forgot and you add in the other players you listed who are no longer with the team, it would only bring that percentage up to maybe 9-10%. So, to paint it as they only or mostly hire Carolina guys or that they hire Carolina guys to the detriment of the team seems like kind of an inaccurate picture. And Benjamin seems to be the only real mistake out of those hires. Klay, Webb, Brown, and Johnson were all just stop-gap players while the team got on its feet. They filled their role. Even Tolbert, who was not good on the field, filled his role in the locker room, setting a tone and helping to teach the process. And they let all of those guys go when they were able to upgrade their positions. We don't know yet about Farwell or Dorsey and Morgan and Worswick appear to be doing a good job. So, why complain about this Carolina connection? Is it hurting the team in some way? I don't understand the angst over it.

[Kelly the Dog]

I like these hires. Dorsey should help Josh and there is a lot of QB brain power now between Dorsey, Anderson and Barkley to help Josh. And to think that last year McDermott and Beane thought it was fine to go into the season with Culley and Peterout. It was criminal. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Works for me.

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Longer than kingsbury was at USC

 

 

Hey they are all McVay 's

 

also tired of the Cam comparisons. They may have similar physical abilities but mentally they are miles apart. Cam was/is known for pouting when things dont go his way and the infamous "business decision" to protect his legs during the Super Bowl because of his fumble. This will never happen with Josh.

 

 

13 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Called it!

 

Which?

 

 

13 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

I've been singing Dorseys praises a long time and his work with the idiot in Carolina was amazing. The guy is a great QB coach and it's a shame that he had such an uncoachable talent down there.

 

He can speak to QB's and understand the defense very well. Very happy for this.  Dude will be an OC in 3 or 4 years.

 

we might finally be getting the staff McD has been working towards .

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

11 hours ago, Logic said:

Just wanted to pop into say this:

I LOVE the fact that Sean McDermott populated his staff with super-experienced veterans that he could lean on in his first two seasons, then replaced those experienced coaching vets with young, hungry, high energy up-and-comers once he had a handle on things. A great and methodical and totally logical approach. Love it.

 

Thats our coach. The thing i like best about him was he said when got hired that he always reviews his day to make improvements. A guy like that can only get better and eventually will be the best.

 

 

 

[Doc Brown]

15 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

I didn’t realize how young Ken Dorsey is. He’s only 37yrs old. For some reason I thought he was older. 

I thought he was younger as it seemed like yesterday Miami was competing for National Championships.  Cam Newton had nothing but great things to say about him and Allen's a similar type of quarterback so I think it's a good hire.

[eball]

13 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I actually think Allen has more upside than Cam.  I agree that Allen is more mentally focused and coachable as well.

 

Was just thinking the same thing. Josh may be more “talented” than any QB in the league. 

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, folz said:

 

So, according to your list, the Bills currently have:

 

2 of their 63 current players who came over from Carolina

3 of 31 coaches/trainers with a Carolina connection (1 of the 3 who didn't even coach in Carolina when McDermott and Beane were there)

and 1 of 27 FO/personnel people from Carolina

 

So, six out of 123 people (or just under 5% of the team's players and staff). That is hardly a pipeline. And even if there are a few more that you forgot and you add in the other players you listed who are no longer with the team, it would only bring that percentage up to maybe 9-10%. So, to paint it as they only or mostly hire Carolina guys or that they hire Carolina guys to the detriment of the team seems like kind of an inaccurate picture. And Benjamin seems to be the only real mistake out of those hires. Klay, Webb, Brown, and Johnson were all just stop-gap players while the team got on its feet. They filled their role. Even Tolbert, who was not good on the field, filled his role in the locker room, setting a tone and helping to teach the process. And they let all of those guys go when they were able to upgrade their positions. We don't know yet about Farwell or Dorsey and Morgan and Worswick appear to be doing a good job. So, why complain about this Carolina connection? Is it hurting the team in some way? I don't understand the angst over it.

 

Perfect and the percentage drops more when you think it is over 2 years and people are talking about 2 players, 2 coaches with a connection, and 1 FO person.

 

There is a bigger pipeline in Baltimore and Miami which both exceed the number of Carolina connections already. 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Perfect and the percentage drops more when you think it is over 2 years and people are talking about 2 players, 2 coaches with a connection, and 1 FO person.

 

There is a bigger pipeline in Baltimore and Miami which both exceed the number of Carolina connections already. 

 

 

 

...great investigative work by "folz".....think it's more of an overplayed joke now versus anything of substance.......

7 hours ago, folz said:

 

So, according to your list, the Bills currently have:

 

2 of their 63 current players who came over from Carolina

3 of 31 coaches/trainers with a Carolina connection (1 of the 3 who didn't even coach in Carolina when McDermott and Beane were there)

and 1 of 27 FO/personnel people from Carolina

 

So, six out of 123 people (or just under 5% of the team's players and staff). That is hardly a pipeline. And even if there are a few more that you forgot and you add in the other players you listed who are no longer with the team, it would only bring that percentage up to maybe 9-10%. So, to paint it as they only or mostly hire Carolina guys or that they hire Carolina guys to the detriment of the team seems like kind of an inaccurate picture. And Benjamin seems to be the only real mistake out of those hires. Klay, Webb, Brown, and Johnson were all just stop-gap players while the team got on its feet. They filled their role. Even Tolbert, who was not good on the field, filled his role in the locker room, setting a tone and helping to teach the process. And they let all of those guys go when they were able to upgrade their positions. We don't know yet about Farwell or Dorsey and Morgan and Worswick appear to be doing a good job. So, why complain about this Carolina connection? Is it hurting the team in some way? I don't understand the angst over it.

 

....GREAT work bud........

[Mountain Man]

14 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I wanted Jim Bob Cooter and it wasn't even close. This is a place that you open your check book and we didn't.

Jim Bob Cooter?

 

The guy who created the most boring offense in the league?

[WizdomCalling]

18 hours ago, Logic said:

Just wanted to pop into say this:

I LOVE the fact that Sean McDermott populated his staff with super-experienced veterans that he could lean on in his first two seasons, then replaced those experienced coaching vets with young, hungry, high energy up-and-comers once he had a handle on things. A great and methodical and totally logical approach. Love it.

This is exactly how I perceived it. He went with as much experience as possible at first being that he has never been a head coach before but now that he feels comfortable, he more than likely feels he can go in another direction because of his comfort level in the HC position.

 

Side note ... I hope they keep playing the Madden NFL football game in their classroom training sessions. If that game has taught me anything about real football it's situational football and clock management, two things that I believe Coach McDermott or any coach for that matter can ALWAYS seek to continue improving on.

[WizdomCalling]

9 hours ago, folz said:

 

So, according to your list, the Bills currently have:

 

2 of their 63 current players who came over from Carolina

3 of 31 coaches/trainers with a Carolina connection (1 of the 3 who didn't even coach in Carolina when McDermott and Beane were there)

and 1 of 27 FO/personnel people from Carolina

 

So, six out of 123 people (or just under 5% of the team's players and staff). That is hardly a pipeline. And even if there are a few more that you forgot and you add in the other players you listed who are no longer with the team, it would only bring that percentage up to maybe 9-10%. So, to paint it as they only or mostly hire Carolina guys or that they hire Carolina guys to the detriment of the team seems like kind of an inaccurate picture. And Benjamin seems to be the only real mistake out of those hires. Klay, Webb, Brown, and Johnson were all just stop-gap players while the team got on its feet. They filled their role. Even Tolbert, who was not good on the field, filled his role in the locker room, setting a tone and helping to teach the process. And they let all of those guys go when they were able to upgrade their positions. We don't know yet about Farwell or Dorsey and Morgan and Worswick appear to be doing a good job. So, why complain about this Carolina connection? Is it hurting the team in some way? I don't understand the angst over it.

 

Awesome! I took a screenshot of this post just to pull out and reference anytime someone brings up the fake news about the Carolina to bills connection. On top of that if the Bills head trust thinks it's the best fit going forward who cares if they came from Mars. (No offense Martians)  As for our new QB coach, I think that move is going to pay off major dividends on many levels. Having Anderson and Dorsey are going to help Allen become better. I believe the coaches want to try to recreate what they had in Carolina in 2015, nothing wrong with that. I also believe that it's a possibility, although pure speculation on my part, that the reasons Dorsey wasn't hired last year to be the offensive coordinator was #1 because we didn't have our quarterback yet, #2 McDermott wanted as much experience as possible on every side of the ball. All in all I think the Bills got the right man for the job but only time will tell. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

15 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

McDermott and Beane didn't hire themselves...

 

Trying to make something out of nothing...

You know he was struggling when he got to those two...LOL

[Not at the table Karlos]

16 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

How could we go wrong?

Who is that?

[Boca BIlls]

15 hours ago, stevewin said:

Chad Hall - 15 career receptions for 144 yards.  Perfect fit for the Bills WR corps

He is a coach...

[Buffalo716]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Hey they are all McVay 's

 

also tired of the Cam comparisons. They may have similar physical abilities but mentally they are miles apart. Cam was/is known for pouting when things dont go his way and the infamous "business decision" to protect his legs during the Super Bowl because of his fumble. This will never happen with Josh.

 

 

 

Which?

 

 

 

we might finally be getting the staff McD has been working towards .

 

 

I thought it was gonna be Dorsey 

[Green Lightning]

On 2/2/2019 at 1:24 PM, jahnyc said:

I am pretty underwhelmed by the new hires to the coaching staff.  There were a lot of experienced assistant coaches and coordinators available after the season with all of the head coaching changes.  Were these the most qualified assistant coaches that we could hire?  Was Dorsey the best QB coach that was available to us?  At this point, I am not sure if there is anything more important to the future success of the team than Allen's development.  I also find the continuing reach back and connections to the Panthers a bit tiresome.

Then when we hire an experienced coach we're going to hear about all the retreads were bringing on board. Sometimes you got to go young and I think this is the time.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..CERTAINLY hope Dorsey and Hall are NOT intimidated by nor cave to McDermott.....keep him defensive leaning and trust the show to the OC, if Daboll is the guy.....

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, eball said:

 

Was just thinking the same thing. Josh may be more “talented” than any QB in the league. 

Just needs to keep working and put it all together.  People laughed at me when I said he had GOAT potential.  At this point its still potential but his floor has moved up a bit.

[Aussie Joe]

17 hours ago, stevewin said:

Chad Hall - 15 career receptions for 144 yards.  Perfect fit for the Bills WR corps

 

They approached Jerry Rice first but he turned them down..

[Punching Bag]

On 2/2/2019 at 1:10 PM, BillsFanForever19 said:

Don't anyone dare point out that it's another Panthers hire. Lest you wish to be pelted with rocks from the crowd of people who get strangely defensive of it and are convinced there's no such trend.

Of course the staff should avoid all hires from Panthers to avoid being pelted by rocks.

Where are the rocks coming from?  The throwers' heads of course!

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

This is what scares me most about our connection to the Panthers, our higher ups can only evaluate players and coaches that they have been in direct contact with. They refuse to take a chance with a coach or player outside the box which is the Carolina Panthers organization. If your WR coach sucks you don't promote the guy who worked under him. We know Ken Dorcy sucks, we known our WR coach sucked. I don't see how anyone can be excited about the coaches that we hired. I don't think they can make an evaluation outside the Panthers organization. I really don't see us making a push in the AFC, we need such a talent infusion that we are at least 2 years away from good FA and good drafting to even have a chance.

 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

This is what scares me most about our connection to the Panthers, our higher ups can only evaluate players and coaches that they have been in direct contact with. They refuse to take a chance with a coach or player outside the box which is the Carolina Panthers organization. If your WR coach sucks you don't promote the guy who worked under him. We know Ken Dorcy sucks, we known our WR coach sucked. I don't see how anyone can be excited about the coaches that we hired. I don't think they can make an evaluation outside the Panthers organization. I really don't see us making a push in the AFC, we need such a talent infusion that we are at least 2 years away from good FA and good drafting to even have a chance.

 

Might want to research that one a little further 

[Trogdor]

On 2/2/2019 at 1:53 PM, YoloinOhio said:

I feel like they see Josh as a kid who could be the “process” version of Cam. They are certainly trying to recreate his development. 

I think people on this board speak negatively of Cam as though it somehow makes McD look better. That team is a mess offensively and he is the least of their problems is the injured Cam. I don't even like the guy, but this is getting as weird as when people praised McD for his work with Cam and they're not even on the same side of the ball. 

[YoloinOhio]

12 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I think people on this board speak negatively of Cam as though it somehow makes McD look better. That team is a mess offensively and he is the least of their problems is the injured Cam. I don't even like the guy, but this is getting as weird as when people praised McD for his work with Cam and they're not even on the same side of the ball. 

I’m not sure what you mean by this - as I’m not speaking negatively of him in terms of it being my opinion about Cam. He’s had well-documented issues that point to him not being a leader and not being the most focused/coachable QB. That’s not my opinion or me being negative about him. That’s just who he is. Nothing to do with his injury. Nothing to do with McDermott. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[John from Riverside]

12 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

This is what scares me most about our connection to the Panthers, our higher ups can only evaluate players and coaches that they have been in direct contact with. They refuse to take a chance with a coach or player outside the box which is the Carolina Panthers organization. If your WR coach sucks you don't promote the guy who worked under him. We know Ken Dorcy sucks, we known our WR coach sucked. I don't see how anyone can be excited about the coaches that we hired. I don't think they can make an evaluation outside the Panthers organization. I really don't see us making a push in the AFC, we need such a talent infusion that we are at least 2 years away from good FA and good drafting to even have a chance.

 

The percentages do not agree with you sir

46 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Bottom line.....that is a compliment from a Super Bowl QB

[eball]

15 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

This is what scares me most about our connection to the Panthers, our higher ups can only evaluate players and coaches that they have been in direct contact with. They refuse to take a chance with a coach or player outside the box which is the Carolina Panthers organization. If your WR coach sucks you don't promote the guy who worked under him. We know Ken Dorcy sucks, we known our WR coach sucked. I don't see how anyone can be excited about the coaches that we hired. I don't think they can make an evaluation outside the Panthers organization. I really don't see us making a push in the AFC, we need such a talent infusion that we are at least 2 years away from good FA and good drafting to even have a chance.

 

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you don't have very much life experience -- i.e., maybe you're in your twenties?  Your comments reek of someone who doesn't really understand how life works in the professional and business worlds.

 

Just hang in there.

[Lurker]

On 2/3/2019 at 11:08 PM, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

This is what scares me most about our connection to the Panthers, our higher ups can only evaluate players and coaches that they have been in direct contact with.

 

Poyer, Hyde and Hauschka say hello... 

[T master]

I'm stoked about this hire !! I believe Dorsey will be a huge get for Allens progression especially seeing as Culley had little to no QB coaching experience before he came to Buffalo, his history as a coach was mostly WR's. 

 

I never got that connection sure the WR's catch the ball but didn't know how a WR's coach knew about QB foot work & all the intricacies that went along with being a good QB coach .

 

I now don't see why they need to keep Anderson around to take up a roster spot that could be used for another position unless he will be a sounding board for Dabol & McD as far as the game plan but Dorsey one would think could be that guy too ??

Edited February 5, 2019 by T master

[eball]

2 hours ago, T master said:

I'm stoked about this hire !! I believe Dorsey will be a huge get for Allens progression especially seeing as Culley had little to no QB coaching experience before he came to Buffalo, his history as a coach was mostly WR's. 

 

I never got that connection sure the WR's catch the ball but didn't know how a WR's coach knew about QB foot work & all the intricacies that went along with being a good QB coach .

 

I now don't see why they need to keep Anderson around to take up a roster spot that could be used for another position unless he will be a sounding board for Dabol & McD as far as the game plan but Dorsey one would think could be that guy too ??

 

I think it boils down to the fact that there are no limitations around how much time players can spend with each other.  Anderson is a guy who can literally be available for Josh 24/7.

[TigerJ]

3 hours ago, T master said:

I'm stoked about this hire !! I believe Dorsey will be a huge get for Allens progression especially seeing as Culley had little to no QB coaching experience before he came to Buffalo, his history as a coach was mostly WR's. 

 

I never got that connection sure the WR's catch the ball but didn't know how a WR's coach knew about QB foot work & all the intricacies that went along with being a good QB coach .

 

I now don't see why they need to keep Anderson around to take up a roster spot that could be used for another position unless he will be a sounding board for Dabol & McD as far as the game plan but Dorsey one would think could be that guy too ??

In theory, they could sign a UDFA to the PS and save a spot on the 53 man roster, but I understand the value of having multiple veterans around to help mentor a prize rookie.  You could also save a roster spot by teaching a real offensive lineman to long snap, but you have to have a long snapper who is good.  It's better to have a great long snapper than a mediocre one who saves you a roster spot.  BTW, Derek Anderson has already demonstrated his worth as a sounding board to Daboll, and has made contributions to the playbook.