Barbarian's Mock 2

[BubbaT]

4 hours ago, JM57 said:

Just did this one on FanSpeak. Would have liked to address RB earlier but it just didn't shake out properly for that. Only doubled up on WR with Anthony Johnson because he was BPA by almost 20 spots on the big board.

 

9: R1P9

 

DL ED OLIVER

HOUSTON

41: R2P9

 

WR N'KEAL HARRY

ARIZONA STATE

71: R3P7

 

G CONNOR MCGOVERN

PENN STATE

113: R4P11

 

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON

BUFFALO

133: R4P31

 

C ROSS PIERSCHBACHER

ALABAMA

149: R5P10

 

EDGE SUTTON SMITH

NORTHERN ILLINOIS

159: R5P20

 

LB RYAN CONLEY

WISCONSIN

184: R6P9

 

CB COEY BALLENTINE

WASHBURN

224: R7P8

 

RB BRUCE ANDERSON

NDSU

230: R7P14

 

OT DERWIN GRAY

MARYLAND

 

 

After watching Pierschbacher get his lunch eaten big time in the game against Clemson, I'd say a big NO even with the 149th pick. Address G and C in free agency or find a T that can move inside. Christian Wilkins from Clemson made himself some money with that game against Pierschbacher

Edited January 11, 2019 by BubbaT

[FeelingOnYouboty]

1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:

Who would the Texans be jumping up to 9 for where they'd be willing to give up 2 2nd round picks for? 

 

Yodny Cajuste, Jonah Williams, Cody Ford

[The Now Moment]

2 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

 

Yodny Cajuste, Jonah Williams, Cody Ford

Too many assets to give up for any of those guys IMO.  One of them could even fall into there laps at 23.  None of them are worthy of that kind of trade up for at this point, could change as we get closer to the draft.  Cody Ford is an interesting prospect to me.  Just don't see them giving up those assets for anything less than a Quenton Nelson type of prospect.  

[T master]

I would like to see a couple of the hometown players from UB at least on the radar seeing as in the past none of them including Mack & a few others that have had decent careers in the NFL haven't been considered especially being right in the Bills back yard apparently they were passed over .

 

But that being said BB has the pulse of the college game & knows a lot more about the players than i so i'd be all in on his picks ! 

Edited January 11, 2019 by T master

[ctk232]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Using Drafttek

 

1. WR DK Metcalf 6'4" 225 Ole Miss

2. OT David Edwards 6'7" 315 Wisconsin

3. OG Chris Lyndstrom 6'3" 307 Boston College

4. TE TJ Hockenson 6'4" 250 Iowa

4. DT Olive Sagapolu 6'2" 345 Wisconsin

5. DE Chase Winovich 6'3" 245 Michigan

5. CB Rock Ya-Sin 6'2" 190 Temple

6. OLB Ben Burr-Kiven 6'0" 221 Washington

7. Punter Mitch Wishnowsky 6'2" 220 Utah

7. TE Jace Sternberger 6'4" 250 Tex A&M

 

I actually don't mind a lot of these but question when it is we pick DK here - if it's at 9 that would arguably be a helluva reach.

 

The one I LOVE about this is Burr-Kirven, would absolutely love to get this kid in the late rounds. I'm slightly biased being in Seattle and end up watching the PAC games more than most other conferences, but even comparable to other conferences, the kid has one of the best football IQ/awareness traits of any guy out there.

 

He played in the standard 4-3 LB role, but fits more of a SS/LB LOS defender profile in the NFL. He'll get dinged for not falling perfectly within either the physical or speed schools, as his size holds him out of the conversation at the LB position, and isn't quite fast enough to be the prototypical TJ Smith speed LB, though he can get to the flats for coverage consistently. But what he lacks in top value size/speed he makes up for in smarts and form tackling - kid is great in short-mid range coverage and is able to identify where plays are going before blockers can get there to remove him from the play. His 94 solo tackles this year were insane to watch, and while no guy is perfect, it was great watching him diagnose plays and beat blockers/coverage to the ball. Haven't seen many LBs able to dissect run packages like he can at that level, but his contributions would most certainly extend to ST here, too.

 

He'd be an instant depth upgrade at both the LB position and in our big nickel package, and be a great contributor to ST as well. Would love to see this happen on day 3.

Edited January 11, 2019 by ctk232

[CuddyDark]

1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

Here's my mock

 

Bills trade 9th pick to Texans for 23rd, 54, 55th picks

 

1. Hakeem Butler-WR Iowa State 6'5 215
2. Damien Harris-RB Alabama 5'10 214
2. Garrett Bradbury-C North Carolina State 6'3 305
2. Julian Love-CB Notre Dame 5'11 193
3. Tytus Howard-T Alabama State 6'6 311 
4. Donald Parham-TE Stetson 6'7 255 

Bradbury has risen that far? I thought he'd be a sleeper 3rd or 4th rounder?

[ctk232]

3 hours ago, colin said:

I don't see our front office going through an entire draft without some trades.  they love trades!

I know it seems crazy to think with all the talk from the board (myself included) to going BPA or trade down in the first. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Beane trade up either into the late 1st or early second. In my mind, the scenario I envision is more so the latter where we go BPA in the 1st (likely defensive BPA) - then address WR and OL with two early first round picks. I say this over a late first trade up as it's more likely to land an early second, despite what we'd likely have to give up. 

 

Wouldn't honestly hate to see it either - while this arguably wouldn't be the draft to do this, might be worth entertaining the idea as Beane showed he's willing to pull the trigger, even in his first full draft.

[RobbRiddick]

I'd like to see them really go after the O-line in FA, then use the draft for WRs, a TE and a RB, with a defensive pick maybe at 9 since the draft appears to be heavier with defensive talent at the top. 

 

Maybe get a C and G in FA and grab the best tackle at 9 (if he's still there of course).

 

I wonder how hard it will be to get FA WRs to come when they assume we're a run team with a QB who is always having his low percentage talked about. Whereas O-linemen you would think would love the idea of playing in Buffalo since it's cold weather and we want to be run heavy, so they know they'll have the chance to plough defences and be a bit more old school.

 

Whatever happens I'm really excited for the offseason this year, more than I have been for... as long as I can remember actually.

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

9: R1P9

 

OT JONAH WILLIAMS

ALABAMA 

41: R2P9

 

RB JOSH JACOBS

ALABAMA

71: R3P7

 

WR KELVIN HARMON

NC STATE

113: R4P11

 

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON

BUFFALO

133: R4P31

 

TE JACE STERNBERGER

TEXAS A&M

149: R5P10

 

EDGE SUTTON SMITH

NORTHERN ILLINOIS

159: R5P20

 

LB KHALIL HODGE

BUFFALO

184: R6P9

 

OT MITCH HYATT

CLEMSON

224: R7P8

 

CB JAMAL PETERS

MISSISSIPPI STATE

230: R7P14

 

QB TRACE MCSORLEY

PENN STATE

this seems like a fantastic, yet improbable draft.  If J. Williams, and A. Johnson are available at those slots, that's a huge win.  Not to mention M. Hyatt in the 6th. 

Just now, RobbRiddick said:

I'd like to see them really go after the O-line in FA, then use the draft for WRs, a TE and a RB, with a defensive pick maybe at 9 since the draft appears to be heavier with defensive talent at the top. 

 

Maybe get a C and G in FA and grab the best tackle at 9 (if he's still there of course).

 

I wonder how hard it will be to get FA WRs to come when they assume we're a run team with a QB who is always having his low percentage talked about. Whereas O-linemen you would think would love the idea of playing in Buffalo since it's cold weather and we want to be run heavy, so they know they'll have the chance to plough defences and be a bit more old school. 



 

Whatever happens I'm really excited for the offseason this year, more than I have been for... as long as I can remember actually.

 

I love the idea of FA O-line just because there will be less of a learning curve, esp. at Center.  But if J. Williams is there at 9, I'm still taking him.  I doubt he will be, and FA OL really lets us go BPA or trade back and load-up at WR, RB, etc in the draft. 

[Juice_32]

5 round mock, I traded back with ATL and picked up an extra 2nd. What do you all think of taking 2 WR's?

 

14: R1P14

 

OT JONAH WILLIAMS

ALABAMA

41: R2P9

 

C ELGTON JENKINS

MISSISSIPPI STATE

45: R2P13

 

WR KELVIN HARMON

NC STATE

71: R3P7

 

WR DEEBO SAMUELS

SOUTH CAROLINA

113: R4P11

 

RB RODNEY ANDERSON

OKLAHOMA

133: R4P31

EDGE CHRISTIAN MILLER

ALABAMA

149: R5P10

DL MARQUISE COPELAND

CINCINNATI

159: R5P20

 

CB JAMAL PETERS

MISSISSIPPI STATE

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Quinnen Williams, Jonah Williams among four from Alabama going pro

 

Alex Scarborough ESPN Staff Writer 11:59 AM ET

 

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. -- Alabama's annual exodus of underclassmen to the NFL began again Friday when four players declared for the draft, including star defensive lineman and potential top-five pick Quinnen Williams.

 

Offensive lineman Jonah Williams and running back Josh Jacobs also declared for the draft in a Friday news conference. Tight end Irv Smith Jr., who was not present, announced his decision on Twitter.

Edited January 11, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Kirby Jackson]

12 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

this seems like a fantastic, yet improbable draft.  If J. Williams, and A. Johnson are available at those slots, that's a huge win.  Not to mention M. Hyatt in the 6th. 

 

I love the idea of FA O-line just because there will be less of a learning curve, esp. at Center.  But if J. Williams is there at 9, I'm still taking him.  I doubt he will be, and FA OL really lets us go BPA or trade back and load-up at WR, RB, etc in the draft. 

I tried to use the most realistic option and set it to difficult. It isn’t perfect but probably as good as you’ll get.

[Iamkrgr]

I would be 100% ok with this draft...

 

9: R1P9

 

OT JONAH WILLIAMS

ALABAMA

41: R2P9

 

WR DEEBO SAMUEL

SOUTH CAROLINA

71: R3P7

 

C ELGTON JENKINS

MISSISSIPPI ST

113: R4P11

 

TE T.J. HOCKENSON

IOWA

133: R4P31

 

RB RODNEY ANDERSON

OKLAHOMA

149: R5P10

 

EDGE JALEN JELKS

OREGON

159: R5P20

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON (UB)

BUFFALO

184: R6P9

 

G CODY FORD

OKLAHOMA

224: R7P8

 

TE IRV SMITH JR.

ALABAMA

230: R7P14

 

C JESSE BURKETT

STANFORD

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Lyndstrom is going early round 2

 

TJ Hockenson if he declares may go late round 1, but won’t last past pick 50.

 

Winovich will go no later than mid round 3.

Right now at 9. I believe it will be 

 

Devin White

Rashan Gary

Ed Oliver

Jeffrey Simmons 

 

Wasnt impressed by Jonah Williams against Clemson. He didn’t help his stock especially when there were talks that he had not faced a great pass rusher all year. Then he did.

 

 

 

 

 

First rule of discussing the draft in January..........gotta' understand that there are at least 150 players that draftniks are certain will go in the first 3 rounds.

 

In reality about 15 players that no draftnik thinks will go early will actually go in the first 3 rounds.

 

And amazingly guys like Levi Wallace.........who seemed like even a possible 3rd round pick will fall out entirely of what is basically a 9 round draft after comp picks.

 

Point is........it's too early to be declaring for certain where a prospect of broad differing opinion like Winovich or Lyndstrom will go.

 

[wppete]

6 hours ago, JM57 said:

Just did this one on FanSpeak. Would have liked to address RB earlier but it just didn't shake out properly for that. Only doubled up on WR with Anthony Johnson because he was BPA by almost 20 spots on the big board.

 

9: R1P9

 

DL ED OLIVER

HOUSTON

41: R2P9

 

WR N'KEAL HARRY

ARIZONA STATE

71: R3P7

 

G CONNOR MCGOVERN

PENN STATE

113: R4P11

 

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON

BUFFALO

133: R4P31

 

C ROSS PIERSCHBACHER

ALABAMA

149: R5P10

 

EDGE SUTTON SMITH

NORTHERN ILLINOIS

159: R5P20

 

LB RYAN CONLEY

WISCONSIN

184: R6P9

 

CB COEY BALLENTINE

WASHBURN

224: R7P8

 

RB BRUCE ANDERSON

NDSU

230: R7P14

 

OT DERWIN GRAY

MARYLAND

 

I really like LB Sutton Smith especially if we can get him in round 5. I would love to see him at SLB and coming off the edge in passing downs. He is a little undersized but he is a baller with an unbelievable motor. Fingers crossed this happens.

 

 

[JM57]

14 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

I really like LB Sutton Smith especially if we can get him in round 5. I would love to see him at SLB and coming off the edge in passing downs. He is a little undersized but he is a baller with an unbelievable motor. Fingers crossed this happens.

 

 

Smith is an absolute gamer. I know the current regime has a type of DE, and I think Smith's best fit is probably a pass rushing sub edge player in a 3-4 D, but with a few more pounds of muscle he could be the heir apparent in Alexander's hybrid role.

[JMF2006]

We have 2 young punters on IR.

 

Even in the 7th there must be a better option.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

2 hours ago, CuddyDark said:

Bradbury has risen that far? I thought he'd be a sleeper 3rd or 4th rounder?

 

Seems like a Top 50 lock especially with Biadsz returning to Wisconsin

[FeelingOnYouboty]

3 hours ago, Buffalo30 said:

Too many assets to give up for any of those guys IMO.  One of them could even fall into there laps at 23.  None of them are worthy of that kind of trade up for at this point, could change as we get closer to the draft.  Cody Ford is an interesting prospect to me.  Just don't see them giving up those assets for anything less than a Quenton Nelson type of prospect.  

 

Houston's OL is in even worse shape than ours. They're #1 asset is Watson and they've done a bad job at protecting him. It's not far fetched that they make a move up. 

 

The Saints moved up to take a project DE last year. Anything can happen.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

8 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

Is "Wishnowsky" a real thing?  It seems like some name a kid made up.  "I Wishnowsky that my punt goes 75 yards and rolls to a stop at the 1.  HIKE!"

Perhaps it's a name his parents gave him. 

[BmarvB]

If the best O-Lineman in the draft falls down to them at #9,  pull the trigger and make the pick.

[freddyjj]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Using Drafttek

 

1. WR DK Metcalf 6'4" 225 Ole Miss

2. OT David Edwards 6'7" 315 Wisconsin

3. OG Chris Lyndstrom 6'3" 307 Boston College

4. TE TJ Hockenson 6'4" 250 Iowa

4. DT Olive Sagapolu 6'2" 345 Wisconsin

5. DE Chase Winovich 6'3" 245 Michigan

5. CB Rock Ya-Sin 6'2" 190 Temple

6. OLB Ben Burr-Kiven 6'0" 221 Washington

7. Punter Mitch Wishnowsky 6'2" 220 Utah

7. TE Jace Sternberger 6'4" 250 Tex A&M

 

Like the top 4, but I would go Jonah Williams OT in Rd1 as I think Metcalf could be had at pick 41 given injury concerns.  Also any DT picked should be a 3T as we don't really have one now (Jordan Philips could play there if re-signed).  Good work here

[buffalostu2]

13 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Using Drafttek

 

1. WR DK Metcalf 6'4" 225 Ole Miss

2. OT David Edwards 6'7" 315 Wisconsin

3. OG Chris Lyndstrom 6'3" 307 Boston College

4. TE TJ Hockenson 6'4" 250 Iowa

4. DT Olive Sagapolu 6'2" 345 Wisconsin

5. DE Chase Winovich 6'3" 245 Michigan

5. CB Rock Ya-Sin 6'2" 190 Temple

6. OLB Ben Burr-Kiven 6'0" 221 Washington

7. Punter Mitch Wishnowsky 6'2" 220 Utah

7. TE Jace Sternberger 6'4" 250 Tex A&M

 

I like it but I would switch out Metcalf with N'Keal Harry.  He has the best hands in the draft and we have the best fastaballer QB.

[tbarg12]

Definitely don't think Ed Oliver will be there at 9, I would've taken Allen or Greedy. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

14 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Using Drafttek

 

1. WR DK Metcalf 6'4" 225 Ole Miss

2. OT David Edwards 6'7" 315 Wisconsin

3. OG Chris Lyndstrom 6'3" 307 Boston College

4. TE TJ Hockenson 6'4" 250 Iowa

4. DT Olive Sagapolu 6'2" 345 Wisconsin

5. DE Chase Winovich 6'3" 245 Michigan

5. CB Rock Ya-Sin 6'2" 190 Temple

6. OLB Ben Burr-Kiven 6'0" 221 Washington

7. Punter Mitch Wishnowsky 6'2" 220 Utah

7. TE Jace Sternberger 6'4" 250 Tex A&M

 

 

 

Solid mock draft.

 

I don't think I'd take a WR in this draft top 20, if I was going to take a flier on a guy it would be our own UB alum Anthony Johnson, the guy runs really nice routes, not blazing speed but enough to keep the defense honest and excellent hands plus we screwed up on not taking Khalil Mack so I'd think we'd be straight up fools to do that again if the opportunity was right. I have a feeling we select a pass rusher, Clelin Ferrell of Clemson round 1, I truly believe the Bills will build up most of the OL in FA, also add a veteran WR then get the rest via draft, heavy offensive draft I'd say.

Edited January 11, 2019 by BuffaloBillsGospel

[Aussie Joe]

4 hours ago, wppete said:

 

I really like LB Sutton Smith especially if we can get him in round 5. I would love to see him at SLB and coming off the edge in passing downs. He is a little undersized but he is a baller with an unbelievable motor. Fingers crossed this happens.

 

 

 

He is someone that is on my radar too in the 5th or later..

 

As mentioned, could fit the Lorenzo role longer term ..,

 

On the small side, , but as we have seen with Milano when he was drafted this is not necessarily a deal breaker with this team..

[Alphadawg7]

11 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I like Metcalf but not at 9.

 

There is no WR in this draft that justifies a Top 10 selection. 

 

Metcalf has top 10 ability, and had he not been hurt he would be ranked there already.  His type of injury shouldn’t have an impact on his career either.  

 

So if he has had a big combine, he will likely be on many teams boards as the top WR on the board and could go top 15 even top 10.

 

I want him or Harry.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Alphadawg7

[Boca BIlls]

11 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I like Metcalf but not at 9.

 

There is no WR in this draft that justifies a Top 10 selection. 

You never know until they play.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

You never know until they play.

 

 

...would that be the "Sammy Effect" then??...just askin'...........

[Boca BIlls]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...would that be the "Sammy Effect" then??...just askin'...........

I didnt know Whaley was still picking for this team.

[Augie]

13 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

9: R1P9

 

OT JONAH WILLIAMS

ALABAMA

41: R2P9

 

RB JOSH JACOBS

ALABAMA

71: R3P7

 

WR KELVIN HARMON

NC STATE

113: R4P11

 

WR ANTHONY JOHNSON

BUFFALO

133: R4P31

 

TE JACE STERNBERGER

TEXAS A&M

149: R5P10

 

EDGE SUTTON SMITH

NORTHERN ILLINOIS

159: R5P20

 

LB KHALIL HODGE

BUFFALO

184: R6P9

 

OT MITCH HYATT

CLEMSON

224: R7P8

 

CB JAMAL PETERS

MISSISSIPPI STATE

230: R7P14

 

QB TRACE MCSORLEY

PENN STATE

 

So you see OL heavily addressed in FA, which makes sense. Since I don’t even know who most of these people are, I’ll trust you and the FO to make the right thing happen. 

 

 

But what would I give to sit in the draft room.....

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

I didnt know Whaley was still picking for this team.

 

...LOL....a bit of sarcasm for those allergic to WR's in the 1st............

[ndirish1978]

9: R1P9

 OT GREG LITTLE

OLE MISS

 

41: R2P9 

TE ALBERT OKWUEGBUNAM

MISSOURI

 

71: R3P7 

RB BENNY SNELL JR.

KENTUCKY

 

113: R4P11 

G MICHAEL JORDAN

OHIO STATE

 

133: R4P31 

WR PARRIS CAMPBELL

OHIO STATE

 

149: R5P10 

G CODY FORD

OKLAHOMA

 

159: R5P20

TE ALIZE MACK

NOTRE DAME

 

184: R6P9 

OT JAWAAN TAYLOR

FLORIDA

 

224: R7P8 

EDGE SUTTON SMITH

NORTHERN ILLINOIS

 

230: R7P14 

WR CODY THOMPSON

TOLEDO

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Been working a ton of overtime, will get to this as soon as i can.

 

[Yav]

22 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

I like Metcalf but not at 9.

 

There is no WR in this draft that justifies a Top 10 selection. 

Wrong. N’Keal Harry is a top 10 pick. 

[4merper4mer]

On January 11, 2019 at 6:14 AM, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Rock ya sin? Is that a serious person?

I read that hIs mom went to a new age church and received this for a penance.  She liked it so much she named him for it.

[billsbackto81]

2 hours ago, Yav said:

Wrong. N’Keal Harry is a top 10 pick. 

I love N'Keal!!!! Just because you or I feel he's worthy of being a Top 10 pick doesn't mean it will be. Reason? Most teams who are breaking in a new QB go through FA and later rounds of the draft to get their receivers. WRs for the most part take 2-3 years to fully understand the game and develop chemistry with their QB though there are exceptions. But those usually have seasoned vet QBs like Brees/Thomas, Big Ben/JJ, Ryan/Jones, Rivers/ Allen. Taking a WR at 9 when there so many other needs is not smart from a GM perspective. He may very well be a first rounder and even a Top 10 Target but I don't see it being Buffalo. It would be Sammy Watkins all over again and Sammy was a better prospect than any of the WRs in this draft.

[4merper4mer]

18 hours ago, JM57 said:

Smith is an absolute gamer. I know the current regime has a type of DE, and I think Smith's best fit is probably a pass rushing sub edge player in a 3-4 D, but with a few more pounds of muscle he could be the heir apparent in Alexander's hybrid role.

First initial = last initial = guaranteed bust.

 

Think Connor Cook , Blake Bortles.

[JM57]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

First initial = last initial = guaranteed bust.

 

Think Connor Cook , Blake Bortles.

 

[JohnC]

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 9:12 AM, HappyDays said:

 

He is probably going in the 1st. His stock has risen a ton. Every year I fall in love with a player (last year it was Mayfield) and this year it is Jacobs. Solid blocker, runs hard, passionate about the game, and a weapon as a receiver. I hate 1st round RBs but I'd make an exception for him, IF we can trade down.

A tough inside runner is as much a priority as is bolstering the line. I'm not sure I would want to use a second round pick for a back but I'm not adverse to it. We can get second tier receivers in free agency who will still upgrade the unit. The OL is the priority and so is upgrading the offense in general to put our young and strapping qb in a position to succeed.