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3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

Comparing apples to apples, MLB contracts for top-end draftees are significantly smaller than they are for top-end NFL draftees:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/browns_baker_mayfield_signs_hi.html

 

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2018-mlb-draft-tigers-sign-no-1-pick-casey-mize-to-record-7-5-million-bonus/

 

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2 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said:

 

It's one thing to make a hypothetical statement about the#1 pick in the draft while you coach the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. It is another thing to actually pull the trigger.

 

Also, Steve Keim is still the GM and he drafted Rosen.

 

I understand that and you could be right.  However, the Cards brought in Kingsbury in for a specific reason.  I would think that the guy they are putting all their faith in, he would be given a lot say on who is under center.  If Kingsbury really and truly believes in Murray....I definitely think it'll be under strong consideration.

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A few thoughts related to this thread:

 

  • Just because Murray declares for the draft doesn't mean he is going to play football.  It means he's going to test the waters, see who picks him, where he gets picked (and thus how much guaranteed money he would get) and then he would decide whether to play.
     
  • Just because Mayfield has been pretty successful in the NFL so far, it doesn't mean that Murray will be successful.  They are two different people and two different players.  Murray is also much smaller.  I don't see him being successful as an NFL QB, but like everyone else's, my opinion is just speculation.  Nobody knows how it might turn out.
     
  • Just because Kingsbury said "I would take him #1 overall" doesn't mean that the Cardinals will.  It was just a one-off comment and he was making the point that he thinks that Murray is talented enough to be drafted at the top of the draft.  It also doesn't cost him anything to be complimentary of a talented kid who just won the Heisman trophy.  The sports media is just making news out of a sound bite.
     
  • Kingsbury was a terrible hire who is already in over his head.  He was fired because he couldn't win at Texas Tech, where he had Patrick Mahomes as his QB.  How does this translate to success in the NFL?  The Cardinals are reverting back to their old ways of dysfunction and foolishness.  I'm hoping the Bills have moved on from that.
     
  • Rosen is still an unknown commodity.  The Cardinals offensive line was beyond terrible this season, MUCH worse than the Bills.  Aaron Rodgers would not have been successful with that line.  Also, his only quality receiver, Larry Fitzgerald, is well beyond his prime and the Cardinals coaching staff was sub par.  I live in Arizona and people are not clamoring to move on from Rosen.
     
  • I'm glad I am a Bills fan and not a Cardinals fan.
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14 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Is he as good a baseball prospect as football?  MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all.

 The difference is that big money is 6-7 years off for Murray in baseball and far from a guaranteed thing.  If he is gonna get drafted in the first few picks in NFL draft, football is a no brainer from a financial perspective.  He’d be choosing $4.6m guaranteed in baseball versus $20+million guaranteed in football and as a QB, his earning power is just as great in football as baseball long term.  

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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Maybe they draft him and keep both and let them battle it out? College like ... their coach is used to that 

 

Or they spend their picks on upgrading the oline, like they should. Who can play QB behind that garbage?

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24 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 The difference is that big money is 6-7 years off for Murray in baseball and far from a guaranteed thing.  If he is gonna get drafted in the first few picks in NFL draft, football is a no brainer from a financial perspective.  He’d be choosing $4.6m guaranteed in baseball versus $20+million guaranteed in football and as a QB, his earning power is just as great in football as baseball long term.  

 

I don't think Murray actually has the luxury of choosing football over baseball based on financial benefit.  He has to commit to playing in the NFL well before the draft to have any chance of being drafted in the first round, much less at the top of the draft.    No NFL team is going to waste a first rounder on a kid who just might walk away if he doesn't like where he lands in the draft.

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50 minutes ago, Augie said:

I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment.  ?

I guess that would mean he could add another team to the list of teams that made a mistake.  ?

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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I was wondering this: what would do if you’re Murray?  Imo, football is so superior and exciting of a sport.  I like baseball but there’s no comparison to a football game.  That said, dude can make a lot more money and save his body a lot of pain.

 

i think I would go baseball but man, it would be a tough decision.

 

 

it is not a tough decision at all.   If you have a choice of playing in the MLB or playing in the NFL if your smart you chose the MLB every single time.  Murray wasn't a 10th round draft pick, he was the 9th pick in the draft.  The A's have already given him $5 million dollars.  High picks like that unless they are total busts tend to sky rocket thru the minor leagues & into the bigs in no time.  From what I heave read of Murray he is a 5 tool guy.  He would have a longer career in baseball, he would more than likely make more money & he would have a better chance to live a normal life from a health standpoint than if he played in the NFL.  I know the NFL is king around this board but come on, the smart choice is playing with the A's.  Especially when he is only 5'10

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2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Is it too soon to do a "Right Josh" victory lap?

 

I mean, it's been a LONG year.

 

It's never too soon, but I can guarantee that if in 3 years Rosen is playing in a Super Bowl and Allen is a backup on John Gruden's team that Yolo will find it and bump it.

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1 hour ago, Augie said:

I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment.  ?

I agree but I think the Rosen Fan boys would meltdown even more. Lol

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3 hours ago, ShipUPride said:

With the reliance on the QB position, why would not they keep both and have them compete?  Trade one away after that 2019 season.

 

 

Because then you'll have the same problems that the Bills had this past year.  No QB gets nearly enough reps to know what's going on.  Likely Rosen with one year experience would win the competition  just like Peterman did here. 

 

I think a big issue with the bill's offense this year was lack of continuity in training camp, both at the QB position and also the o-line.  Every game they were trying to find the right combo, but in the long run, that may have hurt them in developing as a unit.  At QB the receivers didn't get enough practice with any one QB and the QB's themselves didn't get enough time on the field either.

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15 minutes ago, Gordio said:

 

 

it is not a tough decision at all.   If you have a choice of playing in the MLB or playing in the NFL if your smart you chose the MLB every single time.  Murray wasn't a 10th round draft pick, he was the 9th pick in the draft.  The A's have already given him $5 million dollars.  High picks like that unless they are total busts tend to sky rocket thru the minor leagues & into the bigs in no time.  From what I heave read of Murray he is a 5 tool guy.  He would have a longer career in baseball, he would more than likely make more money & he would have a better chance to live a normal life from a health standpoint than if he played in the NFL.  I know the NFL is king around this board but come on, the smart choice is playing with the A's.  Especially when he is only 5'10

 

This is correct on all accounts except if you are a 1st round QB.  

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3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Because of trade speculation?  I think the Bills should trade Allen for Rodgers.  Let’s start some rumors

 

and there’s zero chance Murray is going number 1

I can't imagine Arizona's GM would be thrilled with the idea.

34 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said:

If Rosen gets traded, he ends up in Denver.  Calling it now. Horseteeth will try to save face before being put out to pasture.

Maybe the Giants.

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15 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I can't imagine Arizona's GM would be thrilled with the idea.

 

Why?  If he could re-coup a 1st round pick for Rosen (and possibly even more) it would be a neutral move for him at worst and not reflect poorly on him.  There is a chance that this is the reason they chose Kingsbury to be their head coach in the first place.  It is not a likely move, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility either.

 

There are those out there in NFL circles that believe Rosen had a decent first year given the talent around him and still has plenty of potential. Many on this board want to call him a bust already, but I do not believe that is a universal opinion amongst all 32 teams.

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Doesn't he owe the A's the 5 million back if he plays football?  

 

Being the 9th pick, he's likely to, at the very least, be a reserve player on a roster, earning a ton of money over a 20+ year career in baseball.  

 

If he's not great in football, he could be out in a few years.   

 

No doubt playing football is much more fun than baseball (crowds, media attention, etc.) but he'd have to chose baseball I think.  

 

Unless there is any chance he'd try to do both, which seems impossible for a QB.  

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6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

On Mike and Mike this morning, they speculated that The Cardinals could draft Kyler Murray at #1 overall and trade Rosen if they could get enough for him.  They said the rumor came from Schefter reporting that Kingsbury previously stated he would take Murray #1 if the was in the NFL.

 

if they did it would make them only the second team in the modern era to draft a QB in the first round in back to back years.

 

http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25727321

The Arizona Cardinals problem wasn't just at QB last year, if they're foolish enough to think that it was then Kingsbury is in a bad situation.

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17 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Doesn't he owe the A's the 5 million back if he plays football?  

 

Being the 9th pick, he's likely to, at the very least, be a reserve player on a roster, earning a ton of money over a 20+ year career in baseball.  

 

If he's not great in football, he could be out in a few years.   

 

No doubt playing football is much more fun than baseball (crowds, media attention, etc.) but he'd have to chose baseball I think.  

 

Unless there is any chance he'd try to do both, which seems impossible for a QB.  

As an A's fan I don't know if he's all that great, I mean his college baseball stats aren't that great IMO. Yet to be honest because he's a risk to not play in the NFL and is undersized (see QB below 6'2") I think no team takes him in Round 1 or if they do it's at the end of the Round in either a trade up or a playoff team taking a chance (see New England).

 

https://d1baseball.com/player/MceQJ3NN/kyler-murray/

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