dave mcbride Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Is he as good a baseball prospect as football? MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all. Comparing apples to apples, MLB contracts for top-end draftees are significantly smaller than they are for top-end NFL draftees: https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/07/browns_baker_mayfield_signs_hi.html https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/2018-mlb-draft-tigers-sign-no-1-pick-casey-mize-to-record-7-5-million-bonus/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: It's one thing to make a hypothetical statement about the#1 pick in the draft while you coach the Red Raiders of Texas Tech. It is another thing to actually pull the trigger. Also, Steve Keim is still the GM and he drafted Rosen. I understand that and you could be right. However, the Cards brought in Kingsbury in for a specific reason. I would think that the guy they are putting all their faith in, he would be given a lot say on who is under center. If Kingsbury really and truly believes in Murray....I definitely think it'll be under strong consideration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 7 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Is he as good a baseball prospect as football? MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all. He can always switch to baseball in a few years if things don't work out so he has options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) A few thoughts related to this thread: Just because Murray declares for the draft doesn't mean he is going to play football. It means he's going to test the waters, see who picks him, where he gets picked (and thus how much guaranteed money he would get) and then he would decide whether to play. Just because Mayfield has been pretty successful in the NFL so far, it doesn't mean that Murray will be successful. They are two different people and two different players. Murray is also much smaller. I don't see him being successful as an NFL QB, but like everyone else's, my opinion is just speculation. Nobody knows how it might turn out. Just because Kingsbury said "I would take him #1 overall" doesn't mean that the Cardinals will. It was just a one-off comment and he was making the point that he thinks that Murray is talented enough to be drafted at the top of the draft. It also doesn't cost him anything to be complimentary of a talented kid who just won the Heisman trophy. The sports media is just making news out of a sound bite. Kingsbury was a terrible hire who is already in over his head. He was fired because he couldn't win at Texas Tech, where he had Patrick Mahomes as his QB. How does this translate to success in the NFL? The Cardinals are reverting back to their old ways of dysfunction and foolishness. I'm hoping the Bills have moved on from that. Rosen is still an unknown commodity. The Cardinals offensive line was beyond terrible this season, MUCH worse than the Bills. Aaron Rodgers would not have been successful with that line. Also, his only quality receiver, Larry Fitzgerald, is well beyond his prime and the Cardinals coaching staff was sub par. I live in Arizona and people are not clamoring to move on from Rosen. I'm glad I am a Bills fan and not a Cardinals fan. Edited January 10, 2019 by msw2112 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Given the quality of his OL, I'm a little surprised Rosen made it mostly alive to the end of the year. Poor guy was a tethered goat. I'd hope they don't give up on him that quickly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Is he as good a baseball prospect as football? MLB money would be really hard to walk away from, guaranteed contracts and all. The difference is that big money is 6-7 years off for Murray in baseball and far from a guaranteed thing. If he is gonna get drafted in the first few picks in NFL draft, football is a no brainer from a financial perspective. He’d be choosing $4.6m guaranteed in baseball versus $20+million guaranteed in football and as a QB, his earning power is just as great in football as baseball long term. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Augie Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment. ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 There's no way they give up on Rosen that fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: There's no way they give up on Rosen that fast. Maybe they draft him and keep both and let them battle it out? College like ... their coach is used to that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe they draft him and keep both and let them battle it out? College like ... their coach is used to that Or they spend their picks on upgrading the oline, like they should. Who can play QB behind that garbage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Or they spend their picks on upgrading the oline, like they should. Who can play QB behind that garbage? That’s the smart/safe move, but they appear to be operating outside the box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, YoloinOhio said: That’s the smart/safe move, but they appear to be operating outside the box I hope they do draft another 1st round QB. That would be hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoTier Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 24 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: The difference is that big money is 6-7 years off for Murray in baseball and far from a guaranteed thing. If he is gonna get drafted in the first few picks in NFL draft, football is a no brainer from a financial perspective. He’d be choosing $4.6m guaranteed in baseball versus $20+million guaranteed in football and as a QB, his earning power is just as great in football as baseball long term. I don't think Murray actually has the luxury of choosing football over baseball based on financial benefit. He has to commit to playing in the NFL well before the draft to have any chance of being drafted in the first round, much less at the top of the draft. No NFL team is going to waste a first rounder on a kid who just might walk away if he doesn't like where he lands in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 hours ago, CommonCents said: I trust in Dunkirk more than Wingo/Mike. Visiting hours are noon to 3, Saturdays, Cellblock C. Be prepared to be strip searched. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Watkins90 said: Murray is not 5'11" Maybe when he first wakes up and is wearing heels. At best 5'8" He wakes up wearing heels?! This could be a concern for some teams... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Bottom line is you never pass on a QB in the draft if you think he can be a franchise guy. They could probably trade Rosen for a late first round pick if they are not sold on him. Murray is probably a better fit for that offence than Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 This will be 3 months of drama once he lists the teams that he will not play for if drafted. I suspect he will select the team and if drafted by another will go baseball. With Boras as the agent, expert circus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, Augie said: I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment. ? I guess that would mean he could add another team to the list of teams that made a mistake. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Is it too soon to do a "Right Josh" victory lap? I mean, it's been a LONG year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I was wondering this: what would do if you’re Murray? Imo, football is so superior and exciting of a sport. I like baseball but there’s no comparison to a football game. That said, dude can make a lot more money and save his body a lot of pain. i think I would go baseball but man, it would be a tough decision. it is not a tough decision at all. If you have a choice of playing in the MLB or playing in the NFL if your smart you chose the MLB every single time. Murray wasn't a 10th round draft pick, he was the 9th pick in the draft. The A's have already given him $5 million dollars. High picks like that unless they are total busts tend to sky rocket thru the minor leagues & into the bigs in no time. From what I heave read of Murray he is a 5 tool guy. He would have a longer career in baseball, he would more than likely make more money & he would have a better chance to live a normal life from a health standpoint than if he played in the NFL. I know the NFL is king around this board but come on, the smart choice is playing with the A's. Especially when he is only 5'10 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If Rosen gets traded, he ends up in Denver. Calling it now. Horseteeth will try to save face before being put out to pasture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Is it too soon to do a "Right Josh" victory lap? I mean, it's been a LONG year. It's never too soon, but I can guarantee that if in 3 years Rosen is playing in a Super Bowl and Allen is a backup on John Gruden's team that Yolo will find it and bump it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noacls Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Augie said: I think the Cards should take a QB at the top of the draft. Not for any football reason, but to see if Rosen has a meltdown. That could be fine entertainment. ? I agree but I think the Rosen Fan boys would meltdown even more. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 ...Right (for now) Josh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 How long until he hits the Raiders’ doorstep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 8 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's never too soon, but I can guarantee that if in 3 years Rosen is playing in a Super Bowl and Allen is a backup on John Gruden's team that Yolo will find it and bump it. The last stop for all Bills QBs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Maybe they draft him and keep both and let them battle it out? College like ... their coach is used to that Like AJM and NPeterman?! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 hours ago, ShipUPride said: With the reliance on the QB position, why would not they keep both and have them compete? Trade one away after that 2019 season. Because then you'll have the same problems that the Bills had this past year. No QB gets nearly enough reps to know what's going on. Likely Rosen with one year experience would win the competition just like Peterman did here. I think a big issue with the bill's offense this year was lack of continuity in training camp, both at the QB position and also the o-line. Every game they were trying to find the right combo, but in the long run, that may have hurt them in developing as a unit. At QB the receivers didn't get enough practice with any one QB and the QB's themselves didn't get enough time on the field either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Like AJM and NPeterman?! ? The homeless man’s version 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Is it too soon to do a "Right Josh" victory lap? Not too soon, as long as you throw in a couple of ‘reverse directions’ and a few hurdles... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Gordio said: it is not a tough decision at all. If you have a choice of playing in the MLB or playing in the NFL if your smart you chose the MLB every single time. Murray wasn't a 10th round draft pick, he was the 9th pick in the draft. The A's have already given him $5 million dollars. High picks like that unless they are total busts tend to sky rocket thru the minor leagues & into the bigs in no time. From what I heave read of Murray he is a 5 tool guy. He would have a longer career in baseball, he would more than likely make more money & he would have a better chance to live a normal life from a health standpoint than if he played in the NFL. I know the NFL is king around this board but come on, the smart choice is playing with the A's. Especially when he is only 5'10 This is correct on all accounts except if you are a 1st round QB. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because of trade speculation? I think the Bills should trade Allen for Rodgers. Let’s start some rumors and there’s zero chance Murray is going number 1 I can't imagine Arizona's GM would be thrilled with the idea. 34 minutes ago, loyal2dagame said: If Rosen gets traded, he ends up in Denver. Calling it now. Horseteeth will try to save face before being put out to pasture. Maybe the Giants. Edited January 10, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Theres no way this happens...Oh wait it is the Cards 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 10, 2019 Author Share Posted January 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, TigerJ said: I can't imagine Arizona's GM would be thrilled with the idea. Why? If he could re-coup a 1st round pick for Rosen (and possibly even more) it would be a neutral move for him at worst and not reflect poorly on him. There is a chance that this is the reason they chose Kingsbury to be their head coach in the first place. It is not a likely move, but certainly not out of the realm of possibility either. There are those out there in NFL circles that believe Rosen had a decent first year given the talent around him and still has plenty of potential. Many on this board want to call him a bust already, but I do not believe that is a universal opinion amongst all 32 teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 If I were Murray, I'd stick with baseball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Doesn't he owe the A's the 5 million back if he plays football? Being the 9th pick, he's likely to, at the very least, be a reserve player on a roster, earning a ton of money over a 20+ year career in baseball. If he's not great in football, he could be out in a few years. No doubt playing football is much more fun than baseball (crowds, media attention, etc.) but he'd have to chose baseball I think. Unless there is any chance he'd try to do both, which seems impossible for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: On Mike and Mike this morning, they speculated that The Cardinals could draft Kyler Murray at #1 overall and trade Rosen if they could get enough for him. They said the rumor came from Schefter reporting that Kingsbury previously stated he would take Murray #1 if the was in the NFL. if they did it would make them only the second team in the modern era to draft a QB in the first round in back to back years. http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/25727321 The Arizona Cardinals problem wasn't just at QB last year, if they're foolish enough to think that it was then Kingsbury is in a bad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Doesn't he owe the A's the 5 million back if he plays football? Being the 9th pick, he's likely to, at the very least, be a reserve player on a roster, earning a ton of money over a 20+ year career in baseball. If he's not great in football, he could be out in a few years. No doubt playing football is much more fun than baseball (crowds, media attention, etc.) but he'd have to chose baseball I think. Unless there is any chance he'd try to do both, which seems impossible for a QB. As an A's fan I don't know if he's all that great, I mean his college baseball stats aren't that great IMO. Yet to be honest because he's a risk to not play in the NFL and is undersized (see QB below 6'2") I think no team takes him in Round 1 or if they do it's at the end of the Round in either a trade up or a playoff team taking a chance (see New England). https://d1baseball.com/player/MceQJ3NN/kyler-murray/ Edited January 10, 2019 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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