BeastMode54 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Sometimes it’s not all about football. Sometimes it’s about maturity, learning to be a good teammate, and learning to be a good leader; all of which can be worked in another year of school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Because stat sheets and measurements don’t tell the whole story in football. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Jackson isnt a QB that is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 ...seriously?....Ferrari vs Yugo......wrong zip code, country AND planet..... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Tyree Jackson is a horrible QB and will almost certainly flame out if he gets drafted at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Because Josh Allen was the best player on a bad Wyoming offense. Tyree is not the best player on a loaded UB offense Josh has a super clean release which translates well to the league Tyree has a very elongated delivery which NFL DBs will read and react too. He also doesn’t play under center much. Allen was in a complete pro style offense 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 27 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Sometimes it’s about more than stats. Ask any Texas Tech quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Among various reasons I guess one reason for the National attention he got was that he was recruited by the same coach that recruited Carson Wentz going into a draft where Wentz was shitting gold. Also he Allen could throw a football through a brick wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Because Josh Allen was the best player on a bad Wyoming offense. Tyree is not the best player on a loaded UB offense Josh has a super clean release which translates well to the league Tyree has a very elongated delivery which NFL DBs will read and react too. He also doesn’t play under center much. Allen was in a complete pro style offense We have a winner! I think you can add to that-Allen is 100% committed team player, and Tyree Jackson shows evidence of being a "me guy." Edited January 6, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) I've watched every TJ game the last two seasons. His game peak was the first 4 games this season. He was impressive. But he declined after the Army game. First thought is Jackson a product of Johnson when he was out with an injury? Then Johnson returns but TJ is still playing worse. I'm curious to see Jackson at a different program. Maybe his coaching at UB is poor? But, wow, I wouldn't go near him after what I saw end of season. Edited January 7, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Because people watch the games. I watched Jackson every time he is on TV this season. I watched Josh Allen every Wyoming game I could find, pro-day, senior bowl, and combine. These two really are not even comparable. Jackson benefited by having two good receivers. When he was relied upon, he failed. Josh Allen WAS Wyoming. He did everything. If he wasn’t creating offense Wyoming was done. When Allen was injured Wyoming lost to San Jose State (who? Exactly). My personal analysis is Jackson is a semi mobile QB with a good QB frame. He is not a great passer and when he does scramble he has very questionable decision making and ball security. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 OP, ever watch Jackson throw the ball? If so, your question is answered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted January 6, 2019 Author Share Posted January 6, 2019 No, I have only seen Tyree Jackson once. I'm really only going on similarity in size and from small schools. Wasn't meant as a knock on Allen, I love him. Just was wondering with similar measurements what the difference was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BeastMode54 said: No, I have only seen Tyree Jackson once. I'm really only going on similarity in size and from small schools. Wasn't meant as a knock on Allen, I love him. Just was wondering with similar measurements what the difference was. I think every UB game is on demand in WatchESPN. Watch the Temple and EMU games for awesome Tyree. Watch the Ohio and NIU games for awful Tyree. Edited January 6, 2019 by PromoTheRobot 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Josh won his bowl game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, BeastMode54 said: Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Do you honestly think that’s all there is here? Jesus Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Josh Allen all day, thank you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Will be interesting to see where he gets drafted Ive watched a good amount of ub football, he will get drafted. He kinda reminds me of cardale jones. Has the tools to become a good QB. He needs to go to a good organization and be coached up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I only got to watch Jackson\UB twice this year-----they lost both games. Jackson is a physical specimen with a lot of potential----but his ball security & accuracy at times seemed very poor. If he ends up in the right spot & can be coached up, he might make it in the Pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: Sometimes it’s about more than stats. Ask any Texas Tech quarterback Patrick Mahomes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Because Josh Allen was the best player on a bad Wyoming offense. Tyree is not the best player on a loaded UB offense Josh has a super clean release which translates well to the league Tyree has a very elongated delivery which NFL DBs will read and react too. He also doesn’t play under center much. Allen was in a complete pro style offense Nailed. It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: Patrick Mahomes? Well ***** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Shirley you can’t be Sirius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Will be interesting to see where he gets drafted Ive watched a good amount of ub football, he will get drafted. He kinda reminds me of cardale jones. Has the tools to become a good QB. He needs to go to a good organization and be coached up I feel like the 5th round would be a reach, same with the 6th. Might be worth the chance in the 6th though. I think he more likely ends up a 7th rounder or UDFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Bills2ref said: I feel like the 5th round would be a reach, same with the 6th. Might be worth the chance in the 6th though. I think he more likely ends up a 7th rounder or UDFA. Thats actually part of why I think he reminds me of cardale jones, a guy who got over drafted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 29 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Thats actually part of why I think he reminds me of cardale jones, a guy who got over drafted Oh yeah, if he gets drafted he definitely will be. I’m curios to see where he lands. Someone will think they can mold his prototypical frame into a productive QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Virgil said: Sometimes it’s about more than stats. Ask any Texas Tech quarterback yeah, like that Patrick Mahomes guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 He's not NFL ready or even close. Jackson, has never played against any high level competition and he makes Byron Leftwich's release look quick by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 14 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Will be interesting to see where he gets drafted Ive watched a good amount of ub football, he will get drafted. He kinda reminds me of cardale jones. Has the tools to become a good QB. He needs to go to a good organization and be coached up Exactly. I initially feared Josh was another Cardale Jones but he proved to be much better. Still, as with Josh, Tyree is fairly accurate when he can just fire the ball, especially deep. When Tyree has to use touch, he’s like “EJ into the hospitality tent”. He regressed this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 17 hours ago, BeastMode54 said: Both played at small school, both are huge, with big arms, and accuracy issues. How then was Josh Allen drafted in the 1st round and Jackson is projected very late with NFL teams having told him to go back to school? I'm just curious why the big discrepancy in future potential and draft position. Eye test. Jackson looks bad, sloppy, and slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Tyree likely goes day 2 based on potential alone. Is really a day 3 pick at this point. Another year in a pro style college offense would have helped his development. Mechanics, presnap reads and pocket movement are real weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 “Jackson is a lot like Allen” - big time analytics guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Whatever it takes to get to Jordan Palmer a.s.a.p. he should make the investment. My impression of him as an athlete is that he is gangly rather than fluid, doesn't show much physical toughness, and is not nearly a finished college QB. The transfer flirtation is odd and now the draft declaration indicates that he is either listening to the wrong people or maybe that he had some problem with the UB coaches. I would like to see him do well but there is a long way for him to go before that can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 18 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Because Josh Allen was the best player on a bad Wyoming offense. Tyree is not the best player on a loaded UB offense Josh has a super clean release which translates well to the league Tyree has a very elongated delivery which NFL DBs will read and react too. He also doesn’t play under center much. Allen was in a complete pro style offense NFL QBs don't play under center much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 My quick take. At the beginning of the 2018 season i was wishing the Bills had Tyree instead Josh Allen. By the end of the season I'm very glad the Bills have Josh Allen as their starting QB. Tyree will be a project and I no longer see him as having the same skills as Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 18 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I've watched every TJ game the last two seasons. His game peak was the first 4 games this season. He was impressive. But he declined after the Army game. First thought is Jackson a product of Johnson when he was out with an injury? Then Johnson returns but TJ is still playing worse. I'm curious to see Jackson at a different program. Maybe his coaching at UB is poor? But, wow, I wouldn't go near him after what I saw end of season. He was horrible in the Army too. Jackson is a perfect example of an athlete playing QB. As far as skill set, Jackson isn't close to having what Allen brings to the table. It is laughable that he decided to go into the draft. Poor decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gordio said: He was horrible in the Army too. Jackson is a perfect example of an athlete playing QB. As far as skill set, Jackson isn't close to having what Allen brings to the table. It is laughable that he decided to go into the draft. Poor decision. I gave TJ a pass for the Army game. No Anthony Johnson and his defense got run over all game. (A sign of things to come, unfortunately.) But he never turned it around fully since that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said: Whatever it takes to get to Jordan Palmer a.s.a.p. he should make the investment. My impression of him as an athlete is that he is gangly rather than fluid, doesn't show much physical toughness, and is not nearly a finished college QB. The transfer flirtation is odd and now the draft declaration indicates that he is either listening to the wrong people or maybe that he had some problem with the UB coaches. I would like to see him do well but there is a long way for him to go before that can happen. I was thinking about that, actually. Obviously sometimes a transfer is a risk that can pay dividends. Russ Wilson transferring from NC State to Wisconsin is the Poster Child for that. So I thought the transfer might be a good move. I don't understand the thinking on wanting to come out and be drafted. If he thinks he'll get more development as a 6th round or UDFA on a pro team, I think he's mistaken. Those guys get the scraps left over when the big shots are done with the coaches' time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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