TBBills Fan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 At his salary, assuming we upgrade out offense in the offseason... Lets say we pick up a RB in the draft and maybe a FA (not bell)... Then at his salary is Shady worth it as a complimentary piece? Between leadership and breakout plays it makes sense why beane said shady will be a part of 2019...he never said shady would be the centerpiece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Maybe he would restructure I kinda doubt it. If I was Beane, though, I'm inclined to give him another year to prove himself before even asking him to restructure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Time will tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted December 13, 2018 Author Share Posted December 13, 2018 Yes time will tell. However i think he will be here but not as a centerpiece but as a leader and a expensive role player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Until the OL is fixed , McCoy is still a good receiver and YAC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 He will be on the team if he earns it in the summer. Then I dont believe he makes the trade deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 With a team lacking proven weapons even after free agency and the draft there’s no reason to cut him loose. There’s plenty of money to spend they can afford to keep him around one more year 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 He can play a 31 year old Thurman Thomas role but we need our Antowain Smith. I wouldn't be shy in making a run or Jay Ajayi in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The obvious answer is no. He’s paid like a top 3 RB. He simply is not that level of player anymore. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I've been a huge Shady proponent but I think his time has come. I believe if the OL was even adequate he could have had a good year but another season gone and at the salary he will earn next season I don't think he's worth it. Definitely has been worth the investment to date but it's time to pass the torch. It's a shame -- wish he was just a couple of years younger and could be a part of what I think this Bills team will become. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The questions I ask myself are: Who can we get in FA to replace him on a one year contract with no future cap hit who will have as much proven potential and performance as he does at $6 million dollars? If we are constantly making excuses for Allen because he has a atrocious O-line, how do we not make the same excuses for McCoy's same poor performance this year? On a team lacking in talent on offense and so many holes to fill, do we need to create yet another hole that needs to be filled? Just wishing for a rookie to reach the potential we want to see in them immediately does not make it happen. What if it doesn't, and what are our options next year to compensate for that failure if we want to at least have a competitive team next year? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) Respectfully, we have so much cap space that does it really make so much of a difference, other than a roster spot? I think with a better oline Shady will be better, but regardless if you want him gone, then after next year he is gone and we get 8 million or so back on the cap in 2020. Edited December 13, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) No. He's toast and not nearly worth what he's being paid. Edited December 13, 2018 by Azucho98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, simpleman said: The questions I ask myself are: Who can we get in FA to replace him on a one year contract with no future cap hit who will have as much proven potential and performance as he does at $6 million dollars? If we are constantly making excuses for Allen because he has a atrocious O-line, how do we not make the same excuses for McCoy's same poor performance this year? On a team lacking in talent on offense and so many holes to fill, do we need to create yet another hole that needs to be filled? Just wishing for a rookie to reach the potential we want to see in them immediately does not make it happen. What if it doesn't, and what are our options next year to compensate for that failure if we want to at least have a competitive team next year? Why exactly does he need to be replaced by someone on a one year deal? I don’t think the fact that we have other needs is really all that important to be honest. The point, in my opinion, is that McCoy is a replacement level player at this point and he’s being paid top dollar. We can cut him, sign a cheap alternative, add a rookie (which we should do with or without McCoy), and probably have upgraded the position while having additional savings to spend on other needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Sure let's pay a guy 9 Mil a year to have less yds than the QB!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I'm all in favor of letting him go, as long as he takes Chris Ivory with him. Coming off injury Ajayi may be had at less than market value. If so I take a swing at him. Tevin Coleman would be another guy to look at. Take a rookie in the draft and have a group that can do different things, kind of how New England has. The diversity of their backfield has been such an asset over the years. Hard to prepare for. And something Daboll should be well versed at having. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 4 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: At his salary, assuming we upgrade out offense in the offseason... Lets say we pick up a RB in the draft and maybe a FA (not bell)... Then at his salary is Shady worth it as a complimentary piece? Between leadership and breakout plays it makes sense why beane said shady will be a part of 2019...he never said shady would be the centerpiece Shady is gone after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The Bills are far from being up against the salary cap ceiling and Shady is not a locker room problem. So unless some team really wants to give you something significant for him then there’s no harm in keeping him. It’s pretty normal for these large, long term deals. At some point they tip in the players favor. Nothing unusual, and it doesn’t make it a bad contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 For $9 mil, he’s not close to worth it. Shady should have been dealt this season but Beane missed the boat. What value does a 31 year old RB who refuses to take what’s given to him have for that money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buddy Hix said: For $9 mil, he’s not close to worth it. Shady should have been dealt this season but Beane missed the boat. What value does a 31 year old RB who refuses to take what’s given to him have for that money? So you’re going to trade him for nothing ...out of spite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 4 hours ago, ALF said: Until the OL is fixed , McCoy is still a good receiver and YAC Why they haven't been using him regularly in this role is beyond me. He is very good at short passes and YAC and even has the hands for a medium pass attempt. With all the frustration that the Bills and McCoy have experienced with the run game and the Oline, you think this would have been a no brainer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 He's absolutely not worth it, but since we have so much cap we should keep him on the books next year. No way we can responsibly spend 100mil so lets save some for 2020 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlottebillsfan2 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) I think that the point here is with the structure of his contract the Bills now have options. $9 million cap it. $6,425,000 in actual cash paid to him from team and only a $2,625,000 hit in dead cap space. My thoughts are the Bills should move on from him. Personally I would rather build a great o line and plug in a rookie RB every couple of years VIA draft. I would rather spend the money in other places. I just think the RB is a position you can fill every year if you have a solid line. Top 5 running backs based on yards in the NFL 1 Elliott - 3rd season 2 - Gurley - 4th season 3 - Barkley - 1st season 4- Lindsay - 1st season 5 - McCaffrey - 2nd season Edited December 13, 2018 by Charlottebillsfan2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 The offensive scheme is dependent on Shady cutting and slipping through tackles. With Ivory as the power back so we would have to draft replacements correctly. Bryce Love and LJ Scott would wrap that up pretty well late in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: At his salary, assuming we upgrade out offense in the offseason... Lets say we pick up a RB in the draft and maybe a FA (not bell)... Then at his salary is Shady worth it as a complimentary piece? Between leadership and breakout plays it makes sense why beane said shady will be a part of 2019...he never said shady would be the centerpiece Leadership? I don't see it. He was damaged goods before the season started and Beane should have traded him last year before it was apparent to everyone. The team needs to get younger. He needs to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Watch what Shady does behind a good line in run blocking. He’s worth it and we have the money. His problem is he is trying to hard vs. just running north south. I also don’t know why Daboll isn’t throwing to Shady b/c he is fantastic in open space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Charlottebillsfan2 said: spend the money in other places, RB is a position you can fill every year if you have a solid line. Exactly. There's been proof of this throughout the league for awhile. Hopefully, McBeane can see this. Edited December 13, 2018 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaattMaann Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 who cares what hes making next year? It aint my money, and it sure as hell aint any of yours. why create more holes? Even if its just for him to be a 3rd down back, why should we get rid of him? Great leader, great teammate, pro Buffalo....why again would we get rid of him? We have obscene amounts of money and literally no one to spend it all on in FA. That said, I know he will perform better if he has even a semblance of an o-line. We should still draft his replacement though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddy Hix Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So you’re going to trade him for nothing ...out of spite? I don’t spite Shady at all. I would have traded him for pretty much anything because he isn’t a good player any longer and his production doesn’t justify his cost. Shady was a great player but we can all see he has lost a step. And for his style of play, losing a step is more impactful than it would be for a North/South runner. Also, by not trading him and committing to him as a key piece for next season as Beane did, the offensive unit is being set up for failure. Expecting an old RB who can’t get it done to be a key cog will leave a gaping hole when it falls apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Just now, Buddy Hix said: I don’t spite Shady at all. I would have traded him for pretty much anything because he isn’t a good player any longer and his production doesn’t justify his cost. Shady was a great player but we can all see he has lost a step. And for his style of play, losing a step is more impactful than it would be for a North/South runner. Also, by not trading him and committing to him as a key piece for next season as Beane did, the offensive unit is being set up for failure. Expecting an old RB who can’t get it done to be a key cog will leave a gaping hole when it falls apart. You and I agree on the basic facts. But... the decision facing the front office will be what can they get for him now, not what could they have gotten for him last summer. Based on this season I doubt anyone will offer much at all, and if true, I’m saying they might as well keep him. They aren’t short on cash. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 5 hours ago, TBBills Fan said: At his salary, assuming we upgrade out offense in the offseason... Lets say we pick up a RB in the draft and maybe a FA (not bell)... Then at his salary is Shady worth it as a complimentary piece? Between leadership and breakout plays it makes sense why beane said shady will be a part of 2019...he never said shady would be the centerpiece If he starts playing WR he could up his worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 There are at least two issues at play here. First, there is reason to suspect that most of the ineffectiveness of the running game should be solely laid on the shoulders of the offensive line. Turnover, a lack of talent and an overly complex blocking scheme has created a disaster area on the offensive line, and nobody besides the QB can gain any yards with consistency. Second, cap room is not a problem for Buffalo this offseason. If Buffalo's line were good, and Shady were as ineffective as he's been, then you cut him yesterday. There is absolutely no reason to keep him around. If Buffalo faced cap constraints, but Shady could still be effective, you might consider moving on, though with some regrets. I don't think there is any pressure to move on at this point. I think what Buffalo needs to do is to identify wome quality youth at the position for the 2019 season. Whether than means signing a quality young free agent or drafting somebody, they should find someone. Rather than putting the full load on Shady next season, they should use a two headed monster philosophy. One other thing to consider: If Keith Ford can address his fumbling issues, it could be that the Bills already have Shady's successor. Keith Ford was a five star recruit to college. He's got size and power, but he's also got a fair amount of speed and quickness. From all accounts he's worked hard while on the PS and has a great attitude. Don't count him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 Shady's not a bruiser. He needs space to do his thing. If we trot out the same OL next year that we have this year -then no, don't keep Shady. Shady and this OL don't work well together. If we upgrade the OL, then I say yes for the same reasons others have given: Shady still has some gas in the tank and his competitive fire/leadership are useful. As an aside, back in 1971 I watched Willie Ellison break Cookie Gilchrist's pro football record for most rushing yards in a game. Willie ran for 247 yards on 26 carries versus Cookie's 243 (AFL record) and Jim Brown's 237 (NFL record). Don't remember Willie Ellison??? That's because he wasn't all that good and spent most of his NFL career as a backup. But the OL in front of him on that magical day was freakin' dominant. They opened gaping holes the size of Texas. A good high school back could have easily rushed for over 100 behind that line and many college backs could have gone over 200. It's hard to imagine what OJ or Brown might have done but it would have been incredible. On the flip side, I think Barry Sanders would have had trouble getting yards running behind our offensive line. OLs matter hugely. The 1971 Rams OL made Willie look like an Olympian god toying with mortals. Our OL makes Shady look like Elmer Fudd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) I keep saying this in various threads here, but when you're trying to guess whether or not a player has a future with the Bills you need to look at more than just his on-field production. Has Shady struggled this year? Yes. There have been times where he's definitely pressing because he's dying to make a play. The OL isn't doing much of anything to open up lanes for him and it's been a frustrating year. But on the flip side, he's earned himself a captain role so he's obviously seen as a respected veteran in the locker room. To McBeane, that stuff matters. I think they keep McCoy but I think he may be part of a RB by committee or they'll reduce his workload and have some specialized plays for him. TJ Yeldon and Tevin Coleman are two names to watch for in free agency. The draft doesn't have a running back worth taking until the mid-late second round this year. They may be inclined to go after a player coming out of his rookie deal who's 25-26 years old, doesn't have the mileage on him that a full-time 20-25 carries a game back has, etc. Edited December 13, 2018 by blacklabel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BarleyNY Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Sure let's pay a guy 9 Mil a year to have less yds than the QB!!!!!!!!!! That’ll be his cap hit ($9.05M) but some of that would be dead money anyway. The difference to keep him is $6.425M. Still, you want value for that. I’m keeping him unless I get a trade or replace him first. He doesn’t have a roster bonus due and we will have plenty of cap space so there’s no hurry. Edited December 13, 2018 by BarleyNY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 For the amount we're paying Shady we could have Yeldon and Coleman for the same price and they're 6 years younger. Cut Ivory as well. Murphy goes into camp the #3 to compete against a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, BarleyNY said: That’ll be his cap hit ($9.05M) but some of that would be dead money anyway. The difference to keep him is $6.425M. Still, you want value for that. I’m keeping him unless I get a trade or replace him first. He doesn’t have a roster bonus due and we will have plenty of cap space so there’s no hurry. Sounds like you are not concerned about production at all. Do this for me divide his paycheck by his total yards this year and tell me what you think. The guy should be ashamed cashing it every month. Edited December 13, 2018 by ALLEN1QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 I would see what Ford and Murphy can do for these last 3 games. RBs are the easiest things to find which is why you don’t ever have to pay them. See if either one of them are any good and go from there. I wouldn’t even let McCoy or Ivory play the last 3 games. See what the young guys have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said: Sounds like you are not concerned about production at all. Do this for me divide his paycheck by his total yards this year and tell me what you think. The guy should be ashamed cashing it every month. Really? It didn’t sound like that to me at all. I’d just like to not jump the gun on getting rid of him so we can find his replacement first and also get something for him if we can. No need to be hasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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