Sport Science: Josh Allen has the strongest arm in NFL History---74 MPH Velocity

[Big Turk]

John Brenkus from Sports Science said they had to double, triple and quadruple check it because they thought something was wrong when it registered 74 MPH leaving his hand...said it was so stunning they couldn't believe it...said without any doubt in his mind he has the strongest arm in NFL History...

 

 

https://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/football/john-brenkus-of-espn-s-sport-science-analyzes-josh-allen/article_dfd31bdd-f0d7-5a2f-8811-4f3a22c661c1.html

Edited November 26, 2018 by matter2003

[Utah John]

Let's just hope the rest of his game continues to develop.  He's doing OK this year, no question about it, but there's a lot of improvement needed as he goes forward.  He could turn into something really special.

[njbuff]

74 mph doesn't mean a darn thing when you have to convert a 3rd and 7 to keep drives alive. And I don't just mean running for first downs.

 

If Allen can channel that, then the sky's the limit.

[Jasovon]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

74 mph doesn't mean a darn thing when you have to convert a 3rd and 7 to keep drives alive. And I don't just mean running for first downs.

 

If Allen can channel that, then the sky's the limit.

he converted two 3rd and longs yesterday that were called back, he's doing fine. 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

The new Rocketman, and I ain’t talking about the 3 foot dumpling who currently runs the DPRK...?

[Matt_In_NH]

All things considered you want a guy with good arm strength but at some point it does not really matter.  There are probably like 100 traits a QB has to have to be good, arm strength is one.    We can find the guy who can bench press the most weight and plays DT.  Does that make him a franchise DT?

[Doc]

What's equally impressive is his foot speed.  As I mentioned in another thread, he hit 20 MPH on his 45-yard run yesterday. 

[Victory Formation]

90% of the time he won't even need all that juice, but in situations like that bomb to Foster yesterday where he was being brought down by 3 defenders and with just a flick of his wrist he connects on a 75 yard bomb, it certainly helps. He needs to work on touch and finesse more than anything though and his completion % will go up.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Good.  When we're in the middle of a convenience store holdup, we can count on him to pick up a Red Bull and bounce it off the perp's noggin, incapacitating him and again saving the day. (Think of the gas station scene early on in 'Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man'.)

[Hebert19]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

74 mph doesn't mean a darn thing when you have to convert a 3rd and 7 to keep drives alive. And I don't just mean running for first downs.

 

If Allen can channel that, then the sky's the limit.

He did that.  And then converted 3rd and 15.  Unfortunately we had penalties. 

[RoyBatty is alive]

24 minutes ago, Doc said:

What's equally impressive is his foot speed.  As I mentioned in another thread, he hit 20 MPH on his 45-yard run yesterday. 

Where did you get this info, he ran a 4.75 at his 40 time, the equates to 16.8 mph, now you are saying he hit 20 in full football gear holding onto a football?

Edited November 26, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive

[PolishDave]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Where did you get this info, he ran a 4.75 at his 40 time, the equates to 16.8 mph, now you are saying he hit 20 in full football gear holding onto a football?

 

At the stadium during the games, they show MPH for playmakers on the plays they make.

 

They also have them here.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Where did you get this info, he ran a 4.75 at his 40 time, the equates to 16.8 mph, now you are saying he hit 20 in full football gear holding onto a football?

Good lord!...Josh Allen...Steve Austin...last name begins with 'A'.  Coincidence?  I don't think so!  ?

1 minute ago, PolishDave said:

 

At the stadium during the games, they show MPH for playmakers on the plays they make.

 

They also have them here.

Somebody call 'Myth Busters', STAT!

[Doc]

14 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Where did you get this info, he ran a 4.75 at his 40 time, the equates to 16.8 mph, now you are saying he hit 20 in full football gear holding onto a football?

 

In week 3 against the Vikings he hit 20.6 MPH.  I remarked at the time that that was amazing considering he ran just a 4.75 40-yard.  I went back and looked at his runs during the Combine and it appeared to me that he wasn't running all-out.

[Big Turk]

51 minutes ago, Doc said:

What's equally impressive is his foot speed.  As I mentioned in another thread, he hit 20 MPH on his 45-yard run yesterday. 

Yeah and 20.6 MPH in the Minnesota game...I actually made a thread about this because its stunning to see him basically have the same game speed as Lamar Jackson and Robert Foster, 2 guys who ran a 4.34 and 4.41 40...in comparison the fastest I could find for Tyrod was 18.8 MPH...

30 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Where did you get this info, he ran a 4.75 at his 40 time, the equates to 16.8 mph, now you are saying he hit 20 in full football gear holding onto a football?

Yes, next gen stats tracks this...see my thrrad on it...its fairly obvious he is running much faster than a 4.75 40 just by watching him pull away from LBs who run high 4.5s and low 4.6s

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Yeah and 20.6 MPH in the Minnesota game...I actually made a thread about this because its stunning to see him basically have the same game speed as Lamar Jackson and Robert Foster, 2 guys who ran a 4.34 and 4.41 40...in comparison the fastest I could find for Tyrod was 18.8 MPH...

Yes, next gen stats tracks this...see my thrrad on it...its fairly obvious he is running much faster than a 4.75 40 just by watching him pull away from LBs who run high 4.5s and low 4.6s

Well upon further thought,  40 times are misleading, you have to get up to speed and Allen is a big guy, takes a while to get the big body in motion but once it starts he is fast, what helps is his long legs, he is deceptively fast, he runs faster than it looks.

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well upon further thought,  40 times are misleading, you have to get up to speed and Allen is a big guy, takes a while to get the big body in motion but once it starts he is fast, what helps is his long legs, he is deceptively fast, he runs faster than it looks.

Thats the thing tho...his acceleration is what might be even more impressive. He hit 20.6 MPH on a 10 yard run...thats not a lot of time to get up to that speed.

[DuckyBoys]

Guys a physical freak.  6'4 240lbers arent supposed to run that fast and he has a little wiggle to go with it.  The arm is ridiculous but you can see it on many throws..  Exciting stuff

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

90% of the time he won't even need all that juice, but in situations like that bomb to Foster yesterday where he was being brought down by 3 defenders and with just a flick of his wrist he connects on a 75 yard bomb, it certainly helps. He needs to work on touch and finesse more than anything though and his completion % will go up.

This.

I really don’t understand those who are saying velocity doesn’t matter. I’m gonna send you all the recently released NFL Films presentation; Nathan Peterman’s NFL Career passes. 

 

Yes, the 75 yard TD strike with 3 behemoths crushing him is velocity. Can it be further developed and smoothed out? Of course - and it’s far more likely than developing a power arm. This was the 21 year old’s 7th game situation. His arm isn’t the only attribute he’s oozing strength from. He’s tough as nails, FAST and loves competing. 

 

Count me among the impressed and with big expectations.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I f@&$$ing love science 

[Bring it]

2 hours ago, Jasovon said:

he converted two 3rd and longs yesterday that were called back, he's doing fine. 

He does need to improve some in that department but he isn’t as inaccurate as some say! Every QBs misses some throws even in the NFL. I think he is progressing well considering his experience!!

[Not at the table Karlos]

2 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Where did you get this info, he ran a 4.75 at his 40 time, the equates to 16.8 mph, now you are saying he hit 20 in full football gear holding onto a football?

Espn mag or sports illustrated did a study a while back (with a bills wr or two) on 40 times with and with out the ball, not sure about pads. Players ran faster with the ball in their hands. 

[WideNine]

3 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

90% of the time he won't even need all that juice, but in situations like that bomb to Foster yesterday where he was being brought down by 3 defenders and with just a flick of his wrist he connects on a 75 yard bomb, it certainly helps. He needs to work on touch and finesse more than anything though and his completion % will go up.

 

Not sure why so many posters here seem to be downplaying Josh's arm, but you noted the exact thing I was thinking. Josh had no way to step up and no way to even use a full range of throwing motion on that pass as he was being mobbed and steamrolled by what seemed to be most of the Jag's d-line. I have no idea how he was able to get that pass off, not to mention on target and so far down the field.

Having that kind of strength and accuracy behind basically a flick-of-the-wrist throw is a rare ability and I just hope they find a better way to protect this kid next year. Would be such a huge waste if they don't.

[BuffaloBill]

Let’s hope he continue to take to coaching.  The arm strength means little if footwork and accuracy are not there. 

[Shaw66]

If you're a skeptic, I'm telling you it's time to get over it.   Just look at his throws.   Look at his his poise and his pocket presence.   

[Johnny Hammersticks]

4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

If you're a skeptic, I'm telling you it's time to get over it.   Just look at his throws.   Look at his his poise and his pocket presence.   

 

I absolutely loved it when he was jawing back and forth with that JAX LB after the first play yesterday.  Love that fire.

[Alphadawg7]

Using the eye test, I have consistently said he has the strongest arm I have ever seen...so this is no surprise to me, cool to see sports science confirm what many already believed.  Kid is a special talent, most gifted QB I have even seen physically and he has the right work ethic, intelligence, leadership, and swagger I think to take those gifts to the next level and really become a special player.

[Tisker A Tasker]

I searched that article for the words, "Jeff George".

[Jerome007]

What's great is that 3rd down and 15 with Josh is like 3rd and 8 for most QBs.

 

BTW I liked they went all out for the long 3rd down with a very deep throw - and the Hail Mary too. It didn't work out but why not try it? And every defense will have to plan for it so that even the classic draw run play will have slightly more chance to succeed.

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

5 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well upon further thought,  40 times are misleading, you have to get up to speed and Allen is a big guy, takes a while to get the big body in motion but once it starts he is fast, what helps is his long legs, he is deceptively fast, he runs faster than it looks.

In theory that may be true, but twice yesterday his acceleration from a standstill (or once a reverse pivot) and sprint to the sideline for a first down was pretty impressive, too. He accelerates quick. 

[njbuff]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

If you're a skeptic, I'm telling you it's time to get over it.   Just look at his throws.   Look at his his poise and his pocket presence.   

 

There is always going to be skepticism, until there is no reason to be skeptical.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

3 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

What's great is that 3rd down and 15 with Josh is like 3rd and 8 for most QBs.

But unlike most recent Bills QBs, he'll make the throw, as opposed to throwing it 3 yards past the line of scrimmage, counting on the receiver to make the first down.

Edited November 26, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013

[cba fan]

5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Espn mag or sports illustrated did a study a while back (with a bills wr or two) on 40 times with and with out the ball, not sure about pads. Players ran faster with the ball in their hands. 

I do not believe you can run faster with the ball in your hands as you have one less full arm swing. All things being equal. I have personally run down guys running with the ball who are faster then me running as fast as they can and I gain on them because I can swing hard with out holding a ball. A lot of times it happens when a defender has a better angle but not always.

 

I don't refute your post.

 

The X factors here are current real time game fatigue, conditioning, competitive urge, player trying to outrun a defender, adrenaline pumping, game excitement etc etc...… then you will run faster. But I bet those defenders having the same factors also run faster then normal.

 

Very interesting.

[Not at the table Karlos]

3 minutes ago, cba fan said:

I do not believe you can run faster with the ball in your hands as you have one less full arm swing. All things being equal. I have personally run down guys running with the ball who are faster then me running as fast as they can and I gain on them because I can swing hard with out holding a ball. A lot of times it happens when a defender has a better angle but not always.

 

I don't refute your post.

 

The X factors here are current real time game fatigue, conditioning, competitive urge, player trying to outrun a defender, adrenaline pumping, game excitement etc etc...… then you will run faster. But I bet those defenders having the same factors also run faster then normal.

 

Very interesting.

I'll try to find the article. Only one I can find so far they use a rugby ball and that slows them down.

 

The article I read was at a boarders store so it was a while ago. 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Not at the table Karlos

[RoyBatty is alive]

23 hours ago, cba fan said:

I do not believe you can run faster with the ball in your hands as you have one less full arm swing. All things being equal. I have personally run down guys running with the ball who are faster then me running as fast as they can and I gain on them because I can swing hard with out holding a ball. A lot of times it happens when a defender has a better angle but not always.

 

I don't refute your post.

 

The X factors here are current real time game fatigue, conditioning, competitive urge, player trying to outrun a defender, adrenaline pumping, game excitement etc etc...… then you will run faster. But I bet those defenders having the same factors also run faster then normal.

 

Very interesting.

 I would totally agree.

 

 

Physiologically there is no way you could run faster with the a ball, beyond altering your natural motion and the weight and  wind resistance of that bell, although small do exist.  No maybe in real action the adrenaline of a player with a ball might kick in and make him go faster.

 

And if you have 3-4 points of contact that would slow you down dramatically.  Holding the ball like Shady does often, like a loaf of bread,, not so much.

Edited November 27, 2018 by RoyBatty is alive

[Kelly the Dog]

I think it's inarguable that some guys have game speed and some don't, and that with pads on guys run faster than other guys, and that the 40 time is actually a pretty lousy way of gauging how fast a guy is in the middle of a football game. 

[pi2000]

15 hours ago, matter2003 said:

John Brenkus from Sports Science said they had to double, triple and quadruple check it because they thought something was wrong when it registered 74 MPH leaving his hand...said it was so stunning they couldn't believe it...said without any doubt in his mind he has the strongest arm in NFL History...

 

 

https://trib.com/sports/college/wyoming/football/john-brenkus-of-espn-s-sport-science-analyzes-josh-allen/article_dfd31bdd-f0d7-5a2f-8811-4f3a22c661c1.html

 

8 hours ago, Doc said:

What's equally impressive is his foot speed.  As I mentioned in another thread, he hit 20 MPH on his 45-yard run yesterday. 

 

I'm no mathematician, but according to my calculations... if he threw while running full speed at his receiver the ball speed would reach 94mph.

Edited November 26, 2018 by pi2000

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well upon further thought,  40 times are misleading, you have to get up to speed and Allen is a big guy, takes a while to get the big body in motion but once it starts he is fast, what helps is his long legs, he is deceptively fast, he runs faster than it looks.

Re watch his 40 attempt.

 

he is clearly dogging it and going 70% at best... he is not trying and runs like a robot

 

he runs nothing like that 

Edited November 26, 2018 by Buffalo716

[34-78-83]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I think it's inarguable that some guys have game speed and some don't, and that with pads on guys run faster than other guys, and that the 40 time is actually a pretty lousy way of gauging how fast a guy is in the middle of a football game. 

Jerry Rice says Yup. Nobody ever really caught him from behind even though he ran a 4.6

[John from Riverside]

I care more about his work ethic

 

(which means Im not not worried at all)