Marcell Dareus Returns this Week - Inactive with a Back Injury

[Augie]

A very sad waste of God given ability. Life can be complicated. But the guy is already set for life. Too bad he could never find the drive to reach his potential. 

[GreggTX]

He's still not playing up to his potential. We can find better ways to spend the money next year. I know our OL will struggle to contain their DL and many will be whining about moving him, but we will come out ahead in the end.

[H2o]

Captain!!!

[John from Riverside]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Nah......they were 5-2 with him and 7-13 since..........cancer was a misdiagnosis...........he's more like a large, well-liked benign tumor on the bicep of that defense that made the entire group play better.

 

I'm guessing the next stage of this debate though will be when the Bills pass on re-signing Jordan Phillips because of the bloated Star contract.

 

DT is a sneaky need position if Phillips isn't re-signed.     Even if KW returns.    

I am counting on Phillips being resigned so I don’t consider it a need

 

i am hoping Wallace develops so the only need is pass rusher and everything else is offense

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I am counting on Phillips being resigned so I don’t consider it a need

 

i am hoping Wallace develops so the only need is pass rusher and everything else is offense

If there is one position McD seems to know in the draft it’s CB. Look at Tre and Taron Johnson. Its also one of the most expensive ones in FA. I would be ok if he took another but if Wallace can be a starter that’s obviously ideal. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Yes.... that was clearly the Dareus effect!

 

LOL

 

 

Well not all of it........I mean........in conjunction with the Kelvin Benjamin effect!(stay classy Chad Michael Murray)

 

Point.....sometimes the attempted "cure" is worse than the "cancer".

 

The quality of life after 2017 trade deadline was a sh*tstorm of epic defensive incompetence and it took incredible good fortune to back into a beatdown in the playoffs at the hands of Dareus' Jags.

 

And when you factor in the dead money from McBeane murdering Dareus' contract...........the Bills are now paying about $14M per year to fill that position with the utterly one dimensional Star Lotulelei over the next 5 seasons.

 

Dareus is the stronger player and actually gets off blocks and makes plays............like 28 tackles compared to Star's 8 tackles.      

56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

If there is one position McD seems to know in the draft it’s CB. Look at Tre and Taron Johnson. Its also one of the most expensive ones in FA. I would be ok if he took another but if Wallace can be a starter that’s obviously ideal. 

 

 

I like Wallace rangy frame...........as the NFL transitions into basketball on turf the natural evolution of defense may be similar to that on the court...........a greater emphasis on longer limbed defenders to try to cover that little bit more ground.

 

Edmunds and Murphy are both freakishly long athletes that McBeane added.............I could see them in play for a guy like Raekwon Davis in the draft and maybe even a surprise bidder on Margus Hunt this offseason.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, billsfan_34 said:

Housing has gone up also- but overall cost of living is still cheaper than 1/2 of the league. Im with you- lets just hope all the stars align.

 

 

Cost of living is a negligible expense.  The taxes, especially with the elimination of state/local/property tax deduction, are brutal and dwarf whatever rent these guys would be paying to live in any city.

23 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Well not all of it........I mean........in conjunction with the Kelvin Benjamin effect!(stay classy Chad Michael Murray)

 

Point.....sometimes the attempted "cure" is worse than the "cancer".

 

The quality of life after 2017 trade deadline was a sh*tstorm of epic defensive incompetence and it took incredible good fortune to back into a beatdown in the playoffs at the hands of Dareus' Jags.

 

And when you factor in the dead money from McBeane murdering Dareus' contract...........the Bills are now paying about $14M per year to fill that position with the utterly one dimensional Star Lotulelei over the next 5 seasons.

 

Dareus is the stronger player and actually gets off blocks and makes plays............like 28 tackles compared to Star's 8 tackles.      

 

 

I like Wallace rangy frame...........as the NFL transitions into basketball on turf the natural evolution of defense may be similar to that on the court...........a greater emphasis on longer limbed defenders to try to cover that little bit more ground.

 

Edmunds and Murphy are both freakishly long athletes that McBeane added.............I could see them in play for a guy like Raekwon Davis in the draft and maybe even a surprise bidder on Margus Hunt this offseason.

 

 

Dareus's Jags....lol.

 

 

Edited November 21, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[BADOLBILZ]

54 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Dareus's Jags....lol.

 

 

 

 

The last time the Bills were in the AFC Championship game was the 1993 season......but.....ya' know......lol.

 

 

[Buffalo ill]

I can't believe people were surprised he tested positive for weed.  Only a stoner would wear a skipper's hat on a regular basis.

[billsfan_34]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Cost of living is a negligible expense.  The taxes, especially with the elimination of state/local/property tax deduction, are brutal and dwarf whatever rent these guys would be paying to live in any city.

 

 

Dareus's Jags....lol.

 

 

Chicago, San fran, LA, NYC, Boston, Washington, Baltimore, Seattle,Atlanta, Dallas, Miami, Houston, Oakland (las vegas), and Phoenix- just off the top of my head are expensive to live. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Does he even play?? Never hear his name called and don't see him much on the field.

 

 

16 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Trading Dareus for a 5th for the biggest mistake this regime has made. For his dead cap & Stars contract, we should have just kept the more talent Dareus

 

hated getting a fith but not sad to see him go. Lazy don't last around here.

 

 

[Fixxxer]

Lets jet sweep the bastage to death.....

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Does he even play?? Never hear his name called and don't see him much on the field.

 

 

 

hated getting a fith but not sad to see him go. Lazy don't last around here.

 

 

A 5th was a steal with that contract. It’s now our starting LG Wyatt Teller.

[Mrbojanglezs]

I think you mean Darcell Mareus

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The last time the Bills were in the AFC Championship game was the 1993 season......but.....ya' know......lol.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not sure what that has to do with Darues and this discussion.

 

He was a backup/situational player in Jax last year.  He's a non-entity this year on a team circling the drain...ya know.

[BADOLBILZ]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

 

Not sure what that has to do with Darues and this discussion.

 

He was a backup/situational player in Jax last year.  He's a non-entity this year on a team circling the drain...ya know.

 

You REALLY aren't sure what my reference to the Bills not making the AFC championship game since 1993 has to do with Dareus?

 

Ok let me help you out..........the Jaguars made it to the AFC championship game last season (and had the Pats on the ropes late in the game).

 

When he joined the Jags last year their run defense was atrocious and instantly became excellent..........he was really good.........he had actually been playing very well for the Bills too.........and he was excellent in the playoffs as well......huge sack/forced fumble on Big Ben late in the game.

 

I'm guessing this is just you really not following the rest of the NFL all that closely but being unable to curb your instinct to respond.

 

Like when you mocked the idea that Jason Peters was going to be a HOF'er..........then fled the scene when you realized that basically everyone KNOWS he will be.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 11/20/2018 at 10:38 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

and it took incredible good fortune to back into a beatdown in the playoffs at the hands of Dareus' Jags.

 

 

I lol’d.

[Dadonkadonk]

Dareus is going to destroy Bodine.  McD and the Bills failed this kid. Instead of coaching him up they just bailed on a superior talent. 

[KW95 - JA17]

I love how everyone says he has so much talent and could do better.

 

Maybe this is all he has and he had one lucky breakout year?

 

He sucks!

 

Jags suck!

 

Bills suck!

[Jpsredemption]

He will be out of the league in a couple years.

[Royale with Cheese]

I’m really wearing a captains hat right now.

[swnybillsfan]

On 11/20/2018 at 12:16 PM, Utah John said:

It's now up to the Jags to figure out if he's worth that much going forward.  He was effectively getting $99M for having one monster season.  Just not worth the money here.  Not the biggest bust in Bills history but he's on the short list.

i would suggest that he got $99m because he has incredible physical gifts which give him the ability to absolutely take over a game if he is motivated to work at it. but without the putting in the effort, he is just a very large man with a crap ton of unrealized potential. he has had a lot of things happen in his life, and i was hoping that he would find an outlet for these emotions in football and find a bit of comfort with his teammates. but such was not the case. still wish this guy well. but i hope he craps the bed this sunday.

[Phil The Thrill]

On 11/20/2018 at 10:46 AM, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Hes a slightly above average starting DT, that was paid like an All-Pro.  Good move getting rid of that contract #.  I hope Jacksonville enjoyed their run to the AFC Championship game.  That’s about as far as they’ll go

[hemma]

He might be out this week with a weak back.

 

When did he get it? 

 

About a week back.

nyuh, nyuh

 

 

[WhoTom]

On 11/20/2018 at 12:24 PM, Gugny said:

I know I'm in the minority, here, but I believe that Dareus earned every penny he made whilst in Buffalo.

 

He did, indeed, earn every penny. Unfortunately, he didn't earn every dollar.

 

His first couple of years, yes, even considering the suspensions. But once he got the extension, his effort dropped faster than a Bills quarterback behind a porous o-line.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

On 11/22/2018 at 11:46 PM, Phil The Thrill said:

 I hope Jacksonville enjoyed their run to the AFC Championship game.  That’s about as far as they’ll go

 

 

You downplay what the Jags accomplished but Bills fans are so downtrodden we might throw a parade in downtown if the Bills lost a conference championship game.?

 

I mean that in all seriousness.

 

The current 24 year run since the team was in a championship game is the longest in franchise history.    And at 3-7 the 25th year since a title game visit is a virtual certainty.

 

Jags are a poorly run franchise but even they have been to 4 AFC championship games since the Bills last one...........it's by no means a once-in-a-quarter-century event for them.

[Phil The Thrill]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You downplay what the Jags accomplished but Bills fans are so downtrodden we might throw a parade in downtown if the Bills lost a conference championship game.?

 

I mean that in all seriousness.

 

The current 24 year run since the team was in a championship game is the longest in franchise history.    And at 3-7 the 25th year since a title game visit is a virtual certainty.

 

Jags are a poorly run franchise but even they have been to 4 AFC championship games since the Bills last one...........it's by no means a once-in-a-quarter-century event for them.

 

Not what I’m talking about.  I’m saying that after this year there are a lot of players that Jacksonville will need to part with part with to get under the cap.  I don’t see this team making it back to the AFC Championship game again until they revamp the roster - maybe even get a new coach or GM.  

 

Also didnt the much maligned Bills team of last year come pretty close to beating this “accomplished” team in the playoffs?

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[MJS]

Well there goes that. He won't be playing after all.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Contradictory title is contradictory 

[cd1]

What do you know...  Old Marcel will "miss the bus" yet again. ? 

[Thurman#1]

On 11/21/2018 at 1:34 AM, uticaclub said:

Trading Dareus for a 5th for the biggest mistake this regime has made. For his dead cap & Stars contract, we should have just kept the more talent Dareus

 

 

Not at all. It only made sense.

 

He's got a $16 mill a year contract to play only against the run. He's wildly underperforming, as he has since pretty much the instant he signed that huge second contract.

 

Letting him go cost us $13 mill in dead cap. But keeping him would've cost us around $49 mill over the rest of his contract, (not including the salary money we saved by shipping half his 2017 salary over to Jax) and he is greatly underperforming that contract. Yeah, he's costing us a ton of dead cap, but we're saving a lot more over the next few years by not keeping him. And this rebuild has as one of its many causes that they promised the Pegulas that they'd clean up the cap by the end of this year. And one way to do that is by eating dead cap this year in exchange for cap room down the road.

 

And the pick we got for Marcell turned out to be Wyatt Teller who so far looks very promising indeed.

 

Plus he may have been more talented back in the day. But not any more. The Jags are playing him only on run plays. It is pretty questionable whether he's any better than Lotulelei. He was back when he was averaging seven or eight sacks a season. Not so much so now he's averaging less than two a season.

[Thurman#1]

On 11/21/2018 at 12:38 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The quality of life after 2017 trade deadline was a sh*tstorm of epic defensive incompetence and it took incredible good fortune to back into a beatdown in the playoffs at the hands of Dareus' Jags.

 

And when you factor in the dead money from McBeane murdering Dareus' contract...........the Bills are now paying about $14M per year to fill that position with the utterly one dimensional Star Lotulelei over the next 5 seasons.

 

 

 

Yeah, they traded away the now one-dimensional Dareus and filled it with the one-dimensional Lotulelei. Who gets to meetings and buses on time and avoids legal problems, drug suspensions and the like, unlike Dareus. Whatever else you might think of McDermott he's earned the right to say he knows how to put a defense together and if he wants Lotulelei, he probably has a reason.

 

And that's some pretty nice spin there about defensive incompetence after the trade. Doesn't hold up to examination at all. The defence was pretty awful for three games in a row there and then played well for the rest of the season. In their last six games plus the playoff game so seven games total, they allowed more than sixteen points only twice, both times to the Patriots.

 

And total over five seasons isn't the way to look at charges. It's not how they're looking at it at OBD. They are getting their cap house in order. To do that they used a strategy which works together with the rebuild. They were willing to use dead cap money to move money that would have strangled us in the future forward into this year's dead cap category. Yeah, that hurt us this year, but opened up a ton of space and possibility in the future, precisely what's called for in both a rebuild and in a cap cleanup.

 

Couldn't agree more that they got lucky to get in the playoffs. I wish they'd lost a few more games last year. I was hoping they would completely rebuild, dumping guys like Tyrod and McCoy and a few others without whom we would have won several games less. Instead, IMHO they valued winning too much, which meant they had to give too much draft capital away - two seconds, the #23 pick and Corey Glenn besides, to trade up for Allen. If we'd been picking higher we could have gotten him at the same spot much cheaper, or maybe they could have traded up to the #3 spot and pre-empted the Jets, giving them a wider choice of QB.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Thurman#1

[outsidethebox]

On 11/20/2018 at 12:00 PM, Believer said:

 

Dareus is lazy... Not committed to excellence and developing his awesome talent... He had the benefit of an example and potential mentor in Bruce Smith, but he failed to mature... Bills made the right call... The Bills are building a roster of committed professionals... 

Like KB.....lol

[dubs]

On 11/22/2018 at 12:57 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

You REALLY aren't sure what my reference to the Bills not making the AFC championship game since 1993 has to do with Dareus?

 

Ok let me help you out..........the Jaguars made it to the AFC championship game last season (and had the Pats on the ropes late in the game).

 

When he joined the Jags last year their run defense was atrocious and instantly became excellent..........he was really good.........he had actually been playing very well for the Bills too.........and he was excellent in the playoffs as well......huge sack/forced fumble on Big Ben late in the game.

 

I'm guessing this is just you really not following the rest of the NFL all that closely but being unable to curb your instinct to respond.

 

Like when you mocked the idea that Jason Peters was going to be a HOF'er..........then fled the scene when you realized that basically everyone KNOWS he will be.

 

 

 

Jags: 4-3 prior to Dareus in 2017

Jags: 11-10 with Dareus in 2017 and 2018

 

2018 Jags 15th ranked rushing defense

2018 Bills 9th ranked rushing defense

 

 

Edited November 25, 2018 by dubs

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

He's no doubt looking forward to his appearances in 'The Fast and the Furious' movie series.

[NoSaint]

On 11/20/2018 at 11:14 AM, ColoradoBills said:

 

JAX is in big cap trouble next year and Dareus is the man that they will trade.

I'm calling it now.

 

Since we are all the dead money he’s a great candidate 

 

He will have played for them under a 1 year 9m contract and have little consequence to cut if they do. Not bad for a 5th

On 11/21/2018 at 2:46 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Does he even play?? Never hear his name called and don't see him much on the field.

 

 

 

hated getting a fith but not sad to see him go. Lazy don't last around here.

 

 

 

Except KB

[26CornerBlitz]

Guess it was too late to change these if Schefter is correct.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Doc]

Probably best for him.